Almost all Linux users are slaves to repositories meanwhile Windows users can download an .exe file and get the latest version, bleeding edge beta version, or an ancient version of whatever software then want if they have the .exe .
We literally have made habit of frequently changing OS's just to get software we find effective. Solutions have been offered such as distro agnostic pack managers like flatpak and snap, and tools like appimage. However they are primarily ignored in favor of ancient tools like apt-get and .deb.
In Debian/Ubuntu's case apt-get should continue to exist for people who want it and how it saves a lot of space. But developers should be encouraged to take advantage of flatpak and appimage and even tar.gz bundles to prevent software from being chained to particular distros
>this thread again You are too stupid to RTFM and set up a local repository with an archived set of all the packages + dependencies you’ll need.
Juan Hughes
yea, i think we covered everything that needed to be covered in the last thread, op
Leo Roberts
.appimage
Hunter King
10/10 bait
Jose Johnson
we told you; - where to get dvd sets - how to make a mirror - how to make local repos - why it is the way it is, and why it's not a bad thing - that it's possible to run old programs if required
what the fuck else do you want?
Nolan Hall
Linux is free (meaning it costs nothing). Why do you expect a bunch of volunteers to work for free and produce competitive products? Socialism doesn't work. Well, at least with state socialism some people would be forced to work, but here it's just a few bored neckbeards doing stuff when they feel like it.
Jason Moore
I don't understand what the problem is with this board and not admitting the flaws with linux. I love it for my job(cybersecurity) but holy fucking shit, this shit sucks for home use, why is that so hard to admit? Are freetards so buttblastingly insecure as to just stick their heads in the sand and pretend there are no issues with muh gahnoo plus lintcocks?
Most annoyingly is pretending like linux is in any way more allowing of the user to modify the system. Package managers are literally retard proof Apple-tier coddling where they will literally refuse to let you uninstall something if it thinks it's dependency is more important than your sudo. It's very weird to me so see people state over and over again that it's so much better for the user than windows, but this shit is literally worse than just being admin on windows, atleast on windows you don't have to sudo for every single fucking thing. Why hasn't this been improved? Is it just autism?
that's a lie and you know it. ever since red hat incorporated, linux has become an industry. it makes money, it generates business, and businesses are built around it. while the product itself may be free to download, to pretend that it's only volunteers and hobbyists working on it isn't just a misrepresentation, it's a bald faced lie. So you're either deliberately overplaying the volunteer aspect of FOSS to compensate for the absolutely abysmal userspace, or you are just really that fucking retarded.
Nathan Fisher
Fucking hell AGAIN. fuck off.
James Rodriguez
linux isn't worth a shit without internet. and nobody better bring up the fucking enterprise and supercomputer systems like they resemble home use whatsoever. everyone who enters this thread like this faggot lying saying they mirrored every single piece of software they could ever need and have it locally are absolutely full of shit, and would go back to windows like everyone else if repos didn't exist. appimage/flatpak/snap are okay as standalone band aids but don't measure up to simple executables.
Liam Martin
seething lincucks that can't defend the software they worship. just admit it's not perfect, it's not that hard. you can still love linux without being a fucking faggot, but you guys just keep on doing it. Why? It's not like you're getting paid to do it?
don't worry, linux apologists have excuses for everything.
the desktop experience is shit >YEAH WELL IT'S A SERVER OS SO so it should stay on servers >NOOOOOOO THE KERNEL WAS MADE FOR DESKTOPS well why don't the developers fix small dumb stuff that's clearly just bad planning? >THEY DO IT FOR FREE SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP REEEEEEEEEEEE
it's a shit show honestly.
Tyler Martin
seems like you're projecting there m8, OP raises a good point that linux has failed to address throughout the years. there is no good solution to give him, this is just one of those areas linux falls short of being an actual, full fledged user experience.
Connor Sanders
The desktop experience isnt shit though, xfce and KDE and all the other are quite good actually
Luis Gutierrez
>screen tearing >13 different fonts in your file explorer yeah.......quite good...not. The closest linux has ever been to useable for normies is GNOME2 and they even managed to fuck that up, both with GNOME3 and everything MATE did to ruin a good thing
Landon Green
>that's a lie and you know it. ever since red hat incorporated, linux has become an industry. it makes money, it generates business, and businesses are built around it. while the product itself may be free to download, to pretend that it's only volunteers and hobbyists working on it isn't just a misrepresentation, it's a bald faced lie. So you're either deliberately overplaying the volunteer aspect of FOSS to compensate for the absolutely abysmal userspace, or you are just really that fucking retarded.
No, it's all true when talking about DESKTOP Linux distros. There are not enough quality developers working full time fixing bugs and making desktop Linux competitive with Windows and MacOS. The money and business for Linux is almost exclusively servers and some very limited workstation use cases.
Colton Parker
you're full of shit. if you think the devs of any of the major distros don't get paid off their work, you're not just a liar, you don't even understand the concept of free software. free software does not mean you don't make money off the software, it means you don't sell the software. Do you change shirts often? Or does the cum mostly stay in your head if you don't tip it over too much?
Ryder Brooks
Dude, Canonical is literally losing money with Ubuntu, and that's the most popular desktop distro.
Benjamin Nelson
ok
Ian Edwards
>I don't know what snap is You're no longer allowed near crayons
$6,200,000 in profit. inb4 >SIX MILLION ISN'T MUCH SHUT UP more than your lard ass will ever see in your life
Evan Torres
>installing spyware no thanks, faggot
Zachary Powell
>6mil in profit >less than 500 employees Man fosstists really are delusional huh. Do you seriously believe that linux would be where it is if people weren't making money on it? I mean seriously, you can't possibly be that brainwashed. It's not free as in free beer
Leo Young
dude, you can literally google their financials, and they are not even close to losing money. even fucking manjaro makes money off their work and that distro sucks shit
Jaxon Sanchez
I know this is bait but compton has been there for years and screen tearing is gone in the new version of XFCE
Liam Cox
They were losing money until very recently. It's only after they dropped Unity, mobile and a bunch of devs that they recovered.
William James
>gets called out for lying >UH UH I MEANT BEFORE DOOD jesus christ, this kind of cope is pathetic
Noah Jenkins
compton sucks dick and is missing basic features, screen tearing still exists and the bug reports on xfce prove it
Linux is for retards, Windows is for literate users. There's even no two-panel file manager on linux, they believe caja is good enough. From editors there's vim and emacs autism that don't even proportional fonts. It's unbelievably dysfunctional nosoft.
also every rpm manager is incompatible with every other rpm manager.
Jason Reed
Is that pic meant to be insulting towards Linux? I fail to see why.
You did not criticize FOSS. You criticized people who care about their freedom and are willing to make sacrifices for it. That makes you a slave.
Eli Brooks
I know this is bait, but Emacs does have proportional fonts.
Evan Phillips
>choices = bad Imagine not knowing you can install software from source, and that the repos are entirely optional.
Kevin Flores
>this thing is shit >BUT ITS FREE SO ITS PERFECT FUCK YOU >no its still pretty shitty >FREE MEN MAKE SACRIFICES YOU'RE A SLAVE i use and have been using linux for years now, but goddamn people like you and the community as a whole are just absolutely embarrassing. i know your 9th grade keyboard class teacher convinced you to base your entire personality around the idea that using free as in free beer software somehow makes you special, but you'll grow up eventually.
you're missing the point here dude. try re reading the OP, because you clearly didn't pay attention to what he was saying.
Owen Young
Every package manager has an option to remove something, ignoring dependency breakage, for pacman its -Rdd, for example
Mason Roberts
because for as much as linux users like to pretend that it's somehow completely different from windows or macos, it's the exact same shit. it is every bit as baby-proofed and anti-user-power as anything else.
this man knows. also add in that even windows explorer has a more functional file search than any linux alternative out there and it's obvious why nobody takes linux seriously for personal use. it's just not meant for it, any attempts to the contrary is just a hobby.
Christian Lee
Remember when Jow Forums wasn't infested by wincucks? Me neither
Carter Hill
>Windows users can download an .exe file and get the latest version, bleeding edge beta version, or an ancient version of whatever software then want if they have the .exe .
This is not a Windows feature, replace exe with binary and it still works. When is software ever "chained" to a particular distro? If you're capable of using a computer you can just install it from the source.
Asher Clark
>pllleeeaaase computer can i pleeeeeaaaasse delete this, i know im already the super user and shouldn't have to ask but can i pleeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaasse remove this package?
>what is .deb
can't wait til summer is over and faggots like you don't post here anymore desu
Imagine being such a huge faggot that you spend youre day fuming like this
Wyatt Adams
>>what is .deb Are you trying to install packages for Debian on other distros? That would be like getting upset that your .exe doesn't work on not Windows
Henry Nelson
Seething
Cooper Cruz
>pllleeeaaase computer can i pleeeeeaaaasse delete this, i know im already the super user and shouldn't have to ask but can i pleeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaasse remove this package? Now hold on a moment, do you want a good user experience, or not? removing something that will result in breakage is not something you want to be doing everyday, this is only useful to fix very rare circular problems, if it did this by default, youd be right back here complaining about how package managers are broken and dont work
Leo Adams
Who are you quoting
Julian Adams
have sex.
strong counter argument. ever thought about getting certified as a retard? You'd have zero problems getting the papers.
>linux is good because it gives the user freedom >macos doesn't and thats why it sucks >except you have to ask special permission to modify your own computer, even though you already did by entering sudo >but this is still somehow different than macos' """"""walled garden"""""
Chase Harris
What the fuck are you writing? Fucking Pajeets are retarded
Bentley Hall
thank you for proving that linux is literally no better than windows. glad you're on my side.
Isaiah Clark
I dont believe this post is sincere
Alexander Hernandez
>protecting user bad >limited market good
Nolan James
>retard literally can't comprehend simple english found the ubongo
>its only bad when apple does it!!!
Thomas Mitchell
No, you don't need to "ask for special permission" to delete anything in Linux, Microsoft actually tells you you can't.
Adam Wood
Imagine being this person and not knowing how to make a proper sentence
Michael Brown
you can literally delete any file you want at any time in windows. but of course you're not old enough to remember convincing retards to delete their system32 file
John Richardson
Your writing is nigger tier, simple english is for apes and pajeets
Camden Roberts
See
Zachary Ortiz
>le delet system32 Summer is almost done
Benjamin Reyes
When did i say linux is good compared to apple
Evan Clark
not just one, but two retards that can't read.
>REEEEEE IF YOU KNOW COMMANDS YOU DELETE WHAT YOU WANT IN LINUX >if you know commands you can stop bloat in windows >THATS NOT THE SAME SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP
yup, and finally faggots like you will be gone, so actual adults can discuss software.
oh yeah bro lemme just search for your username real quick. go back to plebbit faggot
Parker Ramirez
Delete yourself
Henry White
>try to remove package that will break thing i've marked as important >"hey buddy, this will break , you sure you know what youre doing?" >yea m8, do et. This is bad how?
on windows all you get is "no i dont like this, fuck off"
Daniel Peterson
Your not an adult, keep coping rashid
Isaac Clark
You still haven't figured out why your writing is that of a nignog?
Blake Cook
based
Carson Nelson
>go back to plebbit You're acting like the redditor here, the spacing and mass replying are pathetic. Have sex.
Connor Ramirez
sudo rm -R /your /life\
>delete >are you sure? >yup >deleted woooooaaaahhh broooooo woooaaaah crazy, that's way worse than a package manager just saying >nope not gonna do it, fuck you i don't care if you're sudo
dilate
Camden Brown
>Deleting file in Linux requires messing up dependencies >Deleting file in Windows is just right clicking or going to the Control Panel I wonder why no one uses Loonix
Oliver James
Linux is a kernel.
Cameron Clark
Put on a tripcode so I can filter you, or go to reddit. Fucking pathetic manchild
Leo Sullivan
You can literally go to your software dependencies UI, how fucking stupid are you?
Oliver Lee
Imagine being this much of a pajeet shitter Dont you have to work in your scam center?
Adrian Cox
and now we're back to the OPs point, something an endless army of fosstards have been doing everything in their power to avoid discussing. hilarious.
>WAHH LET ME FILTER YOU you could not be more of a pussy, i never, ever meant this before, but seriously, go back to plebbit.
not as stupid as you apparently, defending such stupid design philospihy. for as much as you retards like to brag about muh unix philosophy, you all endlessly defend building systems like a fucking house of cards that have to handcuff the user or the entire system breaks.
Tyler Barnes
>having to install a GUI just so you can know what all fucking software is leaning on each other >this is a good thing
Cameron Myers
>muh unix philosophy Only a relatively small proportion of GNU/Linux users actually care about that.
Adam Phillips
Just being root doesnt help when youve given the package manager conflicting tasks This isnt a normal operation were taking about, but a task which contradicts something youve previously told it When you say "thing is important, dont ever remove thing", then now go to remove other thing which happens to break thing, it not reasonable for the package managed to automatically remove thing, because you told it not to so yes, its reasonable to need additional information to figure out the real intention of the user before doing this particular task
Nathan Hall
What fucking distro do you use that is not already there?
Leo Scott
> nobody cares about unix philosophy >but we're still better and different than windows and macos gold medal in mental gymnastics
David Diaz
I dont use Linux
Ethan Adams
>uninstalling something isn't a normal task you're kidding, right?
Jaxon Lewis
>unix and windows are the only two oses that have ever existed
only based post here. OP is sucking cock like usual.
Alexander James
Stop talking to yourself and go back
Jeremiah James
Read the reply chain, were talking about solving circular dependency issues, not regular package removals
Owen Diaz
This thread is a training ground for M$ shills LMAO.
Isaac Kelly
you're seriously missing the point here. the fact that circular dependency chain is even a fucking term is proof enough that linux is garbo
Colton Johnson
Just format your computer bro
Ryder Evans
Reinstall your os Use windows 8.1
Jayden Thomas
thanks for adding to the discussion. really interesting and insightful.
Microsoft doesn't need to train shills when even frequent and long time users of linux get shouted down over every single stupid issue because people are literally just completely unable to admit ANYTHING is wrong with linux at ALL. just look at the thread, and see how many people actually have a legit rebuttal to the points that have been brought up.
Ryder Hughes
I gave you a solution
Ayden Bell
no, you didn't, there hasn't been a single legit workaround for repo dependency or for the inane nanny-state of package managers. not a single person can refute that windows offers you more personal control over your system than linux.
Gabriel Wilson
This is always a result of human error, that is, telling the package manager to do two things that contradict each other If you've run into this by accident, i have bad news for you...
