Want help? >State budget & CURRENCY >Post at least some attempt at a parts list >List your uses, e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work >For monitors, include purpose (e.g., photoediting, gaming) and graphics card pairing (if applicable)
CPUs based on current pricing: >Athlon 200GE - HTPC, web browsing, bare minimum gaming (can be OC'd on most mobos with the right BIOS) >R3 2200G - Recommended minimum gaming >R5 2600 - Good gaming CPU with great value >R5 3600 - Great gaming CPU >I7 9700K/I9 9900K - Overkill gaming CPU >R7 2700 - Budget video editing >R9 3900X - Professional tasks
RAM: >Always choose at least a two stick kit; 2x 8GB is recommended >CPUs benefit from high speed RAM; 3200CL16 is ideal >AMD B and X chipsets and Intel Z chipsets support XMP
GPUs based on current pricing 1080p >RX 570/580 8GB - Can be found on sale/used for cheap. Look for 570s which are >1240MHz boost >(GTX 1660TI @ ~$230/Vega56 @ ~$270) - higher fps / more demanding games >RX 5700 - higher FPS 1440p >RX 5700 - standard, 75-100FPS+ >RX 5700XT - higher fps (wait for AIB partner availability) 2160p (4K) >2080Ti - best for 4K but expensive >2070 Super is a viable option in lieu of AIB 5700XT availability as long as you don't pay more than $500us
>Navi AIB models come this week. 5700 non-XT blower is alright, due to low power.
General: >PLAN YOUR BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING >Don't bother buying a new monitor for gaming unless it's high refresh with adaptive sync >A 250GB or larger SSD is almost mandatory; consider m.2 form factor Previous
2TB M.2 NVME SSD's are not possible to acquire here for 100 Euro, unless you mean SATA or otherwise than maybe. I'll check. I still would like to get a large HDD for long term storage and backups regardless since it's cheap and reliable based off my research. The ADATA drive here is one of the fastest around.
>Are you absolutely positive that Vega FE is better than the 5700 or a Quadro card for the applications you use? Absolutely. It's basically on par at 3D with the Quadro P6000 according to Tom's Hardware most notably. It having the same hardware as the WX 9100 is also a bonus. I do remember however the Vega FE scoring twice as low in Geekbench OpenCL, and generally being terrible at the d3d12 ray tracing procedural geometry demo at 13 fps according to a friend of mine who has it.
Other than that, at 550$ (including shipping) which is still cheaper than what the RX 5700 XT Pulse and above go for, I'm considering it. I also remember the standard Vega 64 being superior than the XT in Source and Davinci Resolve, though that might be due to driver issues as always. There's also the case of having to modify a registry key to switch between the driver type for the Vega FE, and installing the drivers using device manager but that takes like a minute at most.
After getting detailed reports of what it can do from other users, and comparisons, and the general value for it compared to typical out of box Vega 64's being at similar price points (Yes, i can still get a used Blower Vega 64 for 300$, but still) it's pretty much a no brainer for professional tasks.
As for the build, i intend to upgrade it to this. I recently purchased a refurbished R9 290X Tri-X for 100$, though i ordered that to the Office and it's been closed for a long weekend so i can only pick it up now, FedEx wasn't fast enough. I might still get a Vega 64 in installments if possible. Not that the 290X is a bad card to have. Should be more than enough for 1080p at this point.
>Yeah, though isn't that an issue with pretty much every cheap case? The SilentiumPC Signum SG1 is an anomaly in this case. It along with the Regnum are probably the best budget mid towers on the market right now. The hexagons on the front are kinda blergh if that's not your thing (it isn't mine) so just keep that in mind. And it is a relatively compact and lightweight case.
Also, if anyone could try to attempt to automatically generate a part from SilentiumPC and get it in the database, that would be great..
don't listen to this shill these cases are absolute garbage and can't fit big aftermarket heatsinks for high end CPUs
Ryder Roberts
yep >but raytracing might never take off raytracing is in beta test now, don't bother buying a gpu with ray tracing, not even the first amd gpus that'll implement ray tracing will be worth the premium
>but raytracing might never take off I'm sure it will, just not really for the next few years making this gen hardware more or less redundant. If you're going 5700XT, just aim for a reputable custom card like a Red Devil, or just go for a Founders 2070 Super for a premium.
Owen Cook
yeah and both noctua DH-15 and dark rock pro 4 are above that threshold ain't going to buy an AIO just because my case cucked me out of these air cooler
Parker Ramirez
That one can fit my NH-D14 though?
Nathan Sullivan
you gotta give nvidia credit that when people are talking about "raytracing" most people now assume you mean nvidia rtx lol
that is some very powerful branding they've done, it's honestly impressive
Luke Ward
It’s just FFXV fps fags. Explain why you would recommend the 5700 XT over a 2060S.
You guys are full of shit. And don’t lost Battlefield. It’s old and nobody played it since it Launched.
Carter Hughes
yes but barely
Isaiah Powell
Raytracing will never take off, because next-gen consoles are going to have AMD cpu/gpu and will not support it. Which means devs won't waste time on a feature that >5% of the gaming population will be able to take advantage of.
Christian Stewart
>wtf why won't compact 45$ cases aimed at midrange to high midrange system builders and small form factors fit my industrial cooler, these cases are such garbage Just get the
Hudson Jackson
perfect for people doing builds in 2015
Lincoln Richardson
>that is some very powerful branding they've done, it's honestly impressive They're basically the Harley Davidson of PC Hardware
Nolan Sullivan
>that is some very powerful branding they've done, it's honestly impressive it's ok leather man, you can leave now
there are plenty 45$ cases that have the insight to add the extra 5 mm to fit all coolers and come with a ton of hard drive/SSD bays
Isaiah Butler
Ok fags. Explain why the total biscuit meme 60 FPS is now 144 FPS. Wtf do I car about any FPS over 30? I can’t see it tbqh. Why do you spend hundreds chasing 144 when 60 is fine
Hudson Barnes
>[lower is better]
Wyatt Lewis
>72387159 (you)
Noah Turner
Reminder to report blatant trolls and spam/filler posts.
Ray tracing will 100% take off. Just like real time 3D rendering took off. Just like Unified Shaders took off. Just like how things like how ugly ass bloom became good HDR. Just like how ugly drop shadow ambient occlusion became good ambient occlusion.
But it'll be about 4 more years and the 2080Ti won't be powerful enough to run it when it actually looks good and runs well. Current ray tracing runs like shit even on a 2080ti and has hideous artifacts, doesn't run at high resolution which makes the artifacts ever worse, etc.
By the time real time ray tracing is widely implemented in games and actually looks good in motion, not just cherry picked screenshots, upgrade your GPU then. Buying a current gen RTX card for the promise that it'll deliver something it's not capable of delivering is a scam.
5 years from now will be a new console cycle which'll have it.
So what you're saying is, The RTX 2060S can consistently outperform an RX 5700 XT, 1440p 144Hz Counter-Strike Global Offensive at maximum settings w/ anti aliasing and get over 300 FPS on the new Dust 2?
Jeremiah Reyes
>Sapphire >ASUS >ASRock >MSI
Which is better for a Radeon GPU?
Are there some actual differences or do people pick based on brand loyalty alone?
I don't see how it's not impressive, nvidia took a generic term that's been around since the start of computer graphics and managed to make people associate it as if it was their technology and think of nvidia when you think of ray tracing, even though what they really did was make a specific approximation algorithm to get better performance
when people in the gaming/tech community at large talk about "ray tracing" right now, overwhelmingly that means nvidia rtx, and yea that's pretty impressive lol. you have people who think nvidia literally invented ray tracing. that's hilarious. even despite their disastrous rtx launch they completely dominated the mindspace.
Parker Roberts
Should I clean install windows if I want to upgrade to 1903 or just upgrade?
Hudson Nguyen
The issue I have with the Signum SG1 is the PSU max length, mine is 180mm so it doesn't fit. Even on the Regnum it's a little tight but it does fit at least.
Hey man, if you have a case that doesn't have that limitation and has the same features I'm all ears.
Nathaniel Flores
Sapphire for AMD GPUs EVGA for NVIDIA GPUs
Robert Lewis
>there are people telling others to go buy a GeForce card for work
the way it was phrased sounded like you're fellating someone
Brandon Moore
>5 years from now will be a new console cycle which'll have it. lol, not even close. The consoles are pushing for 4k 60 fps, good fucking luck getting raytracing running at that kind of resolution with an IGPU. Sorry, but it's never happening. Raytracing will become just as popular as hair effects did.
Liam Nelson
if you clean install you will have a very slightly better overall system because of the retarded way the windows patcher works, whether that's worth the trouble of reinstalling is up to you. personally since windows is my off-os with not much installed on it and no real customization, re-installing windows fresh on major updates barely takes any time at all.
Justin Edwards
Depends on how old your GPU is for me, It keeps installing the broken Radeon Crimson drivers for my R9 280X.
Ethan Long
sapphire and power color are good
Charles Reyes
there's not much I can do if you can't stop thinking about blowing guys
Jack Allen
Idk but everyone is implying the 5700 XT is THE card and it can’t beat the 2060S in FFXIV. Sad.
And all these fags can do is post irrelevant ad hominems in response to a valid point. Nobody has shown anything that says RTX is worse. They say ray tracing is a meme. Sure, I don’t intend to use ray tracing. But that’s irrelevant becuase FFXIV doesn’t have RTX and even with the worse stats and ‘wasted’ RTX cores it still out performs 5700XT. 50w less power and lower temps and smaller space. Unless you’re playing BFV (literally nobody) why wouldn’t you consider a 2060S?
Kayden King
I suggest comparing their warranties and picking the brand which offers the best support, if you're getting something pricey.
William Lewis
no! Don't bring up CSGO!
Nolan Jackson
My system is almost 1 year old and only have games on it. Guess I will just reinstall windows then. I'm worried about ssd wearing off though since it will have to write games again
its the jewish factor inside every card the more it has more of a goy you become learn to read charts you fucking brainlet
Lucas Gutierrez
I finally did it lads, just bought the last parts and the grand total for all of this here is £802; also got free Game Pass on PC for 3 months sold my 1050 Ti and a Switch to fund a lot of it and made £335 so far, still got to sell the old monitor and PC case/CPU
the RAM, PSU, Mobo, CPU and SSD were all new since not a lot of them were available used so how'd I do?
You don't need any thermal paste if you are using the stock cooler.
Kevin Bailey
>I'm worried about ssd wearing off though since it will have to write games again don't worry about it, modern ssds have a really long r/w lifespan and unless you're thrashing it with huge files like with 8k video editing or really big datasets you are never going to hit the limit. this just isn't a problem any more with the new controllers and OS features. make sure you make an image with 1903 already included though.
Hunter Sullivan
really? weird, I just assumed all CPUs needed thermal paste; so I'm good with just the fan?
Cameron Miller
ok ok
Carson Smith
It comes with some preapplied.
Oliver Bailey
Get the ADATA XPG SX8200 Pro 512 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive instead if you can for a similar price. It's exponentially faster at a lower cost than the Samsung 970 EVO.
Also, how much are you paying for that Vega 56? I would suggest checking out eBay if you can for cheaper purchases. Also, the Morpheus II heatsink and kit is a monster when it comes to cooling, so just bear that in mind if you ever need better thermals and acoustics. Just be sure to have adequate fans to attach using the clips.
In general though, could you show the prices for these?
Most coolers today come with thermal-paste already applied on the bottom
Kevin Green
Upgrade to Windows 10 Pro if you can, if not buy a 2 pound key off eBay from that guy who sold over 4 thousand. There's no reason for you to stay on Windows 7 unless you don't use anything modern. Just remember the optimisation guides and use WinAero tweaker to tailor the OS to you're liking.
Dylan Cook
The paste is pre-applied to the heatsink, but some people do suggest replacing the default thermal paste (as apparently it's designed to be really thick and ends up hardening into nigh-concrete, so when you try to remove the heatsink months/years later, it'll pull the CPU out with it and it'll be a bitch to pull the CPU off it).
Liam Morris
thanks mate
Isaac Bennett
just use 7 kys retard
Luke Peterson
but I still need to apply the paste to the CPU like so, right? I wasn't even aware people added paste to coolers/heatsinks
Will I be able to get an HDMI 2.1 signal through a thunderbolt cable using the ASRock X570 Phantom Gaming-ITX/TB3 board, along with some peripherals using some hub or dock?
Camden Long
No, you only need thermal paste on one side. Either the cpu or the bottom of the cooler.
Putting paste on both will make a mess. If you put paste on the cpu, you need to wipe the paste off the cooler.
Christian Wood
got it, thanks, will probably just leave it be for now
Never built a PC. I have all my parts. I'm 80% sure they will all work together. (AM4 with zen2 chip). How do you know what plugs into what? Especially the power supply and front panel shit.
Adrian Davis
Will a 3700x with an Nvidia 1080 be enough to game and stream? Or do I need to go with 3800x or 3900x? I've read that the 3900x is overkill but you can lock a game to a single CCD.
Dominic Young
month and a half and still no partner cards fuck amd
depends on what you mean by stream. if you mean call your friend on discord and get good enough quality then yea that's fine. if you mean twitch stream to 3 people with passable quality then yea sure. if you mean run obs and have a high production level stream you want more than the 3700x.
be honest about streaming though. I mean so many people think they're going to become even a smalltime streamer with ~100 viewers and buypig a lot of shit they don't need at all. twitch is filled with streams that have 1 or 2 viewers running on high performance hardware that will give up quickly.
Grayson Wilson
Read the manual that came with you motherboard.
Dominic Cruz
you can get help here if you post pictures for specific questions, you probably want to watch a youtube primer video just to get an idea of the things you want to do. for example most people put in ram and the cpu+ cooler before putting the motherboard onto the case.
Yeah I have a small following anyway but I'm on a 4790k and 980Ti but and running games and streaming is maxing out the system. I am under no delusion that streaming is just a massive ego fap but I am enjoying it anyway.
Sure, but I already got a Fractal R6 lined up in my basket, so I want something that has decent airflow out the back. I might just get the Arctic Freezer 34 Duo. At 30€ it's decently priced and supposedly a bit better than mine.
James Evans
Should I upgrade to an R5 3600 from an i5 4460 or hold on until 7nm?
Angel Harris
3600 is 7nm. and yes, that i5 is not very alive today
Blake Rodriguez
lol I had an alienware desktop at that time with a 4820k everything else more or less the same for about $1800 harperbux with tax.
Jackson Harris
was 770 really that expensive? owned Asus one but don't remember paying THAT much.
do you use your PC or look at it? also it's damn annoying night time even if it's under the desk not to mention higher price for nothing
Luis Anderson
It's more expensive It makes you put that little thing on top of your fucking desk instead of where it belongs, under It can easily look ugly as fuck It's also pretty gay
Andrew Rogers
Kabum, TerabyteShop, Pichau. There are other less known shops that are ok to buy (or were anyway), like Oficina dos Bits, Londritech and Guerra Digital, but it has been ages since I last bought from them so I don't know. Take a look on Clube do Hardware, rhey maintain a list of community rated shops.
Noah Robinson
I guess so, these are canadian prices which are always not the greatest compared to american ones I ended up upgrading a year and a half later to the 970... near midnight new years eve. I think I was depressed that I was spending it alone and ended up buying something to try and feel better.
what I ended up regretting about this build >the case, corsair 800D really didn't like the case overall, had all kinds of problems with it and especially the side panels which quickly warped. not great airflow, build quality was not that good, overall disappointing >aio water cooler I just didn't know better at the time. if I did it again I would get a nice big aircooler and focus on making things quiet. I feel like not only did I spend too much getting a watercooler, I could have gotten better performance and sound for less money >4770k great cpu, but it ended up lasting so long I wish I had bought a higher end processor in the first place. if I did it again I would max out cpu and plan to upgrade gpu down the line.
