Why is is that the vast majority of CS grads are completely retarded, to put it politely?

Why is is that the vast majority of CS grads are completely retarded, to put it politely?

They can't write code without youtube tutorials, they never know what they're talking about and they regurgitate one of two things which entirely depends on what teachers they had. Either it's "USE SEPPLES, AUTOMATIC PERFORMANCE HNNNNNGH" or "OOP bad mkaaaay".

Is it really piss easy to graduate in computer science or what? I'm a welding basement programmer.

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University is more about brainless repetition and money than about actual skills or intelligence

your average CS major thinks the math they have to do for their degree is difficult
that alone is a good indication of their intelligence levels

Yes that's why you're unemployed.

No, I'm a student

Because the degree of Computer Science is stuck in a very awkward place between its academic roots and its business reality. The simple fact is that there is not "one kind of programmer", but the CS Degree is often thought of as a one-size-fits-all path towards employment in programming. So universities err on the side of academia like they always to but also chicken-shit out on the standards because if they pass less than 95% of students they'll lose government funding.

Let's not mince words, the employment rates and salaries of CS Degrees is still looking amazing. Which just goes to show you that there's a huge vocational need for lower-level programmers which the 4-year CS Degrees simply are not fit to provide because they are managed as general education degrees, while the still-substantial need for higher-quality CS talent has no idea where to find it since CS Grads' quality is so unreliable.

Because they practice wiping their arses a billion times before actually taking a shit.

Alright, unexpected responses, positive result.
Thank's for your input.

Also this isn't exclusive to CS Grads. Maybe if you're going into pre-med or engineering there are standards (because they know you're going to have to continue learning and pass other tests in the near future). But the general state of post-secondary education in America is abysmal.

>Either it's "USE SEPPLES, AUTOMATIC PERFORMANCE HNNNNNGH" or "OOP bad mkaaaay".
That's just Jow Forums

do you need to write your own compiler and operating system to know how to code?
do you need to know computer architecture?
That time could be spent learning and practicing programming in different programming languages I guess.

I went there, most of the CS students couldn't pass diff eq and had to change from engineering majors

>Why is is that the vast majority of CS grads are completely retarded, to put it politely?
They are. They got into computers either because of laziness (the computer can do work for you) or video games.
fuck, I got into computers because I'm a lazy cunt

> Either it's "USE SEPPLES, AUTOMATIC PERFORMANCE HNNNNNGH"
read: boomer professors used C++ when teaching

>"OOP bad mkaaaay".
read: boomer processors used C when teaching
alternatively, boomer professors used Java in their classes and the student hated Java

>Is it really piss easy to graduate in computer science or what?
Largely.

also, these people don't fucking code outside of class
they've got no fucking reason to be in the CS program since they don't care about any part of the program
and then there's the math, which is either
a: genuinely easy but people bomb it because they're lazy cunts
b: taught badly, so people bomb it (often you'll see people with no good grip on the material, and what they were tested on wasn't what they spent the most time on)
or c: the whole class should have failed but the professor had to pass people, so everyone gets like a C and only the people who literally didn't show up failed

I had a discrete math class where the professor realized particularly late in the semester that none of the class had enough background to keep up with the topics he wanted to do, so he picked the easiest parts of his curriculum at the end and low-balled his final exam (which was basically 100% of the grade).
People still failed, but god damn, he picked some easy shit.

It really ended up being a bit of A, B, and C -- the end was really god damn easy (and people still bombed it), he's an old guy and I suspect he'd have taught a much better class 20 years ago, and pretty much all of us in the room should have eaten shit instead of passing.

>also, these people don't fucking code outside of class
>they've got no fucking reason to be in the CS program since they don't care about any part of the program
This is it.
I'm a TA at a small state university. ~90% are in CS because they heard it makes good money.
They are not only open about the fact they have no interest in CS, they are proud of it.
Trying to help people with programming assignments is like pulling teeth.
I'm not exaggerating in the slightest when I say most of them couldn't write more than a few lines of code at a time.

I firmly believe that if you gave a test to all students after Data Structures where they had to write even the simplest algorithms using a piece of paper and pen, most of the kids here would fail.
I'd bet that 30% of them would fail "given an array of integers, find the largest and smallest values."

THAT IS UNEMPLOYED YOU DUMB CUNT

I'm getting by in CS by asking seniors for help with work and googling every single command that I don't already have in my muscle memory ; quantity and speed >>>> quality

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Maybe for code monkey tasks.
If you have a billion chimpanzees smashing typewriters it'll take them quite a while to achieve the same quality of good programming

>projecting
l2cope

You know how I know that you've never done a single programming project?

interesting, most math majors i know consider commutative algebra somewhat difficult, who are you that you're breezing through it?

That is exactly what someone who's never met a CS major and only ever heard larping underage ni/g/ers talk about how they want to be make video games but hate math would say

t. Have seen retards who drop out of OOP classes before discrete shit and calc1&2

CS math is fucking redpilled. They could go toe to toe with most pure mathematics majors

No, you are just dealing with burger diploma mills. The average srs uni CS graduate is fine. No, you aren't an expert veteran programmer in that little time, but they are fine and the degree tends to be one of the toughest at most srs universities.

it was the best of times. It was the BLURST OF TIMES

How do I get a job doing low-level programming?

is "OOP BAD" a normal thing in academia? all people I know from college are oop preachers, using other things is an underground redpilled sort of thing

learn c/assembly

What would you consider a good programmer? What would they have to make/accomplish on their own for you to consider them good?

German speaking countries have implemented this a long time ago on a federal level. They made lower tier programming like you said and sys admin into approved vocational diplomas (Lehre/Fachinformatiker), leaving actual CS and Software Engineering to Universities and UAS. It's great for getting as many young people employed as possible. They usually end up doing web dev and windows sys admin though, which is why many still decide to go to Uni for CS/SWE.

There's a shitload of reasons
>low requirements to enter via pressure from industry/gov to produce more CS grads
>women in stem bullshit
>niggers in stem bullshit
>not enough math reqs to filter out brainlets
>the field is big enough that it's easy to fill credit requirements avoiding hard classes like compilers or advanced algs

I've seen plenty of people who were amazing at math but can't code their way out of a wet paper bag.

it's a combination of poorly introducing theory combined with not introducing students to the actual frameworks used by companies

oh, and also lack of network programming at many shitty unis

You try training all the specialist jobs involved in building "structures" (all sorts of wood/stoneworking, electricians, painters, solar roof installers, machine operators and many more) plus then also theoretical physicists, chemists, business planners and architects and more rolled up in one degree and see whether you manage to get results that look like they're flawless.

Comp.sci graduates from srs universities are still better at offering this all-in-one package that is often required, but they're not necessarily beating people who specialized in applying that one Python framework for applying that one Python framework - no shit.

>listen to Jow Forums about CE being better than CS
>it's all retarded shit for people who want to work on hardware and none of it software related
>most of the degree is calculus and physics shit
Fuck this shit. I'd rather do OOP bullshit in Java for 4 years than spend it soldering microprocessors.

>listens to Jow Forums
That was your first mistake.

The answer is you don't know and you think you're intimidating me.
Have sex virgin incel.

Literally
>oh bro it's just CS but with circuits
>CS is for brainlets, look at this harder physics course
>way better than pajeets doing CS
Except there's not a single programming class in there aside from electives. But of course teaching you how to program your calculators is a core requirement

Epic reference

Pretty much. The competition is laughable

Because that's what is expected from us.
The management/customer wants his software done 2 years ago. You can try to convince him that it's stupid, or just hit up SO and solve the problem faster than what it would take to get an appointment booked.

>muh you were unemployed in kindergarten

It's a normal thing in any performance critical application and I agree with it, to a certain degree, but it's a useful tool like any pattern, it just doesn't fit in everywhere.

brainlet

why would you listen to people on the internet instead of looking at your degree requirements
at my uni, there's a lot of overlap in the course work between CS and CE, but it's bound to be wildly different elsewhere

if you're going into CE, you're going to be wanting to do hardware shit anyway, because you could have otherwise just taken the easier CS path

>why is the subset of EE with some software more about hardware and physics.
You are a genius vrainlet.

Until your client wants to change something.

>interview some co-op students
>ask them to write the code to display a checkerboard (i.e. 8x8 characters, alternating 1's and 0's)
>expect a minute or so to get a 4 line solution
>one completely fails
>one only gets it to print partway before failing
I don't know what goes on at uni nowadays, but it sure isn't thinking.

CS discusses theory not practical aspects of developing software
It's assumed you give enough of a shit to learn basic syntax if you're willing to try CS

>Which just goes to show you that there's a huge vocational need for lower-level programmers which the 4-year CS Degrees simply are not fit to provide because they are managed as general education degrees
Not sure what you mean by low level here, if you mean actual CS work (R&D, scientific work) then you have a point, many CS degrees are software engineering in disguise, which is what all codemonkeys should be studying instead if they werent retarded.
Then you have low-level engineering programming which is a different thing, for that EE is the proper degree, not CS.

They are amazing at memorizing then, they are probably not even good at math if you take them out of what they memorized how to resolve. Lack of critical thinking.