Want help? >State budget & CURRENCY >Post at least some attempt at a parts list >List your uses, e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work >For monitors, include purpose (e.g., photoediting, gaming) and graphics card pairing (if applicable)
CPUs >Athlon 200GE - HTPC, web browsing, bare minimum gaming (can be OC'd on mobos with the right BIOS) >R3 2200G - Minimum 30-60fps gaming. 2400G/3400G may be worth to less likely require a CPU upgrade when adding a dGPU >R5 2600 - 60fps+ gaming CPU with great value >R5 3600 - Great gaming CPU >R7 3700X - Overkill gaming CPU >Wait for Threadripper gen3 - Extreme overkill gaming with its larger cache >R7 1700 - Budget production >R9 3900X - Professional tasks
RAM >Do NOT use a single DIMM. 2 sticks for a typical dual channel CPU >CPUs benefit from fast RAM; 3200CL16 or Micron E-die ("AES" in P/N) recommended >AMD B & X chipsets and Intel Z chipsets support XMP
GPUs 1080p >RX 570/580 8GB - Can be found on sale/used for cheap. Look for 570s which are >1240MHz boost >GTX 1660TI / Vega56 - higher fps / more demanding games; only worth it on sale as normal cost is overpriced >RX 5700 - higher FPS 1440p >RX 5700 - standard, 70-100FPS+ gaming >RX 5700XT - higher FPS 2160p (4K) >RX 5700XT - budget option. Upscale with RIS >2080Ti - best for 4K, but poor value
>RX 570/580 stock is becoming limited as RX 5600 launch approaches
General >Yes, adaptive sync (g/free-sync) is important for gaming >HDD are defunct except for servers, NAS, and sub-$350 builds; SSDs are cheap now >NVMe isn't better than SATA SSD for gaming >QLC is for storage, NOT for main drive >Don't use Speccy >Beware sites which rank CPUs by arbitrary, obfuscated scores (eg userbenchmark, passmark, cpuboss), and comparisons which only use averages and not 1% minimums nor framegraphs >AM4 VRMs, Monitors & SSD Guide under "more"
ATTENTION: Graphics card prices are excessive by historical standards; therefore, consumers should delay or completely forgo any midrange to high end graphics card purchases. The gouging has two root causes: lack of market competition and shortage/"new normal" pricing during the mining hayday.
Zachary Gomez
REMIBNDER: Graphics card prices are excessive by historical standards; therefore, consumers should delay or completely forgo any midrange to high end graphics card purchases. The gouging has two root causes: lack of market competition and shortage/"new normal" pricing during the mining hayday.
Wait for Theadripper. It likely has more cache on its 16 core. Wrong.
AMD is going to get sued for this even though they provide a patch but intel won't be for performance regressions from their updates because only clock speed matters to retards. kek.
Yes. "mid-range" cards have always been $300-$450. Nothing changed other than Nvidia making high end go from $700-$1000 to $1200 and adding a useless card no one should buy at $700-$800 instead. And "low end" is better than ever. $130 in the past got you a shitty 750TI that was only good for 720p. Now it gets you a 570 that's good for 1080p gaming
Samuel Cook
>$200 water cooler for a non-k Intel chip Gotta be more subtle than that. Try harder next time, I believe in you.
Andrew Anderson
>AMD is going to get sued for this nope, because performance wasn't lied about reviews didn't lie. no grounds for case.
Caleb Gomez
>tfw brainlet and don't understand what makes a monitor good. I'm looking for a 120/144hz 1440p monitor for gaming $350 or less.
Easton Martinez
>how many pcie lanes do you need? 1 gpu and 3 m.2 nvme drives (/, /home, and scratch) which would already saturate a ryzen build
Charles Morales
Decide what's important to you.
Accurate colors and viewing angles Decent colors but better black levels and contrast ratio Fast but meh colors and bad viewing angles
IPS VA TN
TN is cheapest VA is usually the next most expensive IPS is usually the most expensive
Ryan Nguyen
that part was actually taken from a build posted here in earnest
Owen Howard
Right now I think I have a TN 1080p monitor because the viewing angle is awful. Can't even lean back in my chair sometimes. Having a better angle would be nice.
Jackson Wright
Do you guys think the AIB 5700xt supply issue will be fixed by this month or the problem will stay for another couple of months?
Daniel Wood
>nope, because performance wasn't lied about >reviews didn't lie That's just the thing, though. People are retarded and think clockspeed=performance and that that is some lie. You can convince a dumb jury that it's false advertising even though it's been the standard way to advertise GPU clock speeds for years now.
nixeus 27edg v2.
I wouldn't be surprised if it's at least 5 or 6 more weeks. The waffer supply chain is a pretty slow process.
Caleb Bell
I'd say by the end of the month it should be pretty easy to get the high tier aibs when big navi releases we'll probably go through the same thing again
Nathan Evans
Looking for a SFF case So far I like the Fractal Node 202 and the Louqe Ghost S1 but they are very hard to find
William Martin
Looks like (at least according to US newegg pricing) your options are the Samsung C27JG50 (VA panel), or the Acer vg271up (IPS panel)
Of the two, i'd get the Acer because it supports freesync adaptive sync, and the Samsung doesn't.
Cameron Thompson
thermaltake v1 (smaller) and v21 (bigger, supports fullzie gpus and coolers) coolermaster h100
these are my favorites
Zachary Long
Just stop. Prices will never get better due to sharply rising costs of designing and bringing GPUs to market (a stagnant and relatively small market). 5700/XT and the 480/470 are mid range cards with a similar die size. 5700/XT are a lot more expensive (because of 7nm being much more expensive to design for, GDDR6, AMD wanting bigger margins).
Aaron Ortiz
every reviewer better re-do all of their zen 2 benchmarks again
tee hee
Thomas Morris
>GTX 560 and and HD 7970 are the same die size and therefore should have cost the same >Die size is literally the only thing that matters for a graphics card's cost Reminder to report this spamming troll.
lmao those cases aren't small. Silverstone has a 202 style case that's slightly larger and easier to route cables on and has better airflow.
Angel Kelly
>QLC is for storage, NOT for main drive Please explain
On the Nvidia side, Turing cards are fucking massive at every tier looking at due sizes historically. Also has GDDR6. The problem is that Turing just isn’t impressive in perf/mm^2.
Leo Perez
it's a weird shillposter we have who insists people should buy SATA ssds over nvme and who also makes a really big deal about QLC
Ryan Bell
Is Logical Increments a decent site to know, or at least, to give you an idea on making a build?
Hunter Nelson
it's alright.
Jordan Mitchell
yes and no. they're a fine place to get a start and to know what is out there, and their builds are pretty good all around. nobody does what they're doing better. but ultimately they will not do a build perfectly to what you want to do, and I would say almost nobody would be best off by simply using one of their builds instead of changing a few things to suit their needs.
Leo Robinson
They tend to get you to spend more on unnecessary parts. Do more research and you can save 100-200 for the same performance.
Michael Johnson
They will with the 3950X launch. Though a lot of shit outlets are going to reuse old results without Intel security patches and without updated BIOS for the older chips. Like on Zen+ launch, some outlets showed a ~15% gain while others only around 5-7%. That's because just updating BIOS for the Ryzen 1000 chips gave around a 7% boost in games.
Hopefully they have the fucking FCLK Auto issue fixed by the time 3950X launches. That's the big performance robber right now.
>it's a weird shillposter we have who insists people should buy SATA ssds over nvme No one has been saying this, gaslighter. Ignore the troll. It means exactly what it says.
Alexander Baker
Intards BTFO
Aaron Phillips
on reddit they're celebrating that their favorite autist youtubers caused this even though it has to have been in the pipeline for ages, it's not like one weekend is going to get amd to suddenly decide to identify a problem, do sweeping optimizations, and ship a new bios all the youtubers did is to get them to make this tweet mentioning the community instead of just releasing it and saying performance increases
Jose Murphy
Is Acer VG271U good? I'm planning to get a 144hz qhd ips monitor soon.
Joshua Hill
5700 or XT for 1080/60?
Camden Phillips
Bruh
Luis Campbell
Are they going to fix the voltage and heating issues? They are sort of okay now but I fear they might fuck things up if they go batshit
Nolan Garcia
what
Andrew Lee
Idk about that. AMD was only loosely aware of the FCLK Auto issue prior to Zen2 launch.
People suspected it, but Zen/+ boards never had a manual FCLK BIOS option to test it.
590 if the $170/$180 sale is still going on. Don't get a 5700 for 1080/60 wtf. Waste of money.
Are you trolling or genuinely concerned? Because those issues don't exist.
Liam Scott
a 590 is a marginal upgrade over my 1060, I'm looking for a gpu that will last at this res/hz for a good while, how is it a waste of money just because it's overkill at the moment?
Adam Reyes
The chip can still run hot around upper 30s and 40s in idle/small workloads because the voltage spikes. It's all within margin but it's still something that can be fixed
Wyatt Reyes
>HUR DUR WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BEETWEEN TDIE AND TJUNCTION IM RETARDED >>>/sqt/
Charles Miller
You seem awfully mad For no reason at all
Jace Ortiz
I bet you actually have no real knowledge of what the difference is and are just parroting something you saw on youtube or some random article, you will forget in a month or two and if asked would be able to say nothing of substance
I have a standard 60hz monitor and a GTX1060. I like to limit my FPS to 60 whenever possible but I have some weird issues with it. If I limit FPS to 60 w/ RivaTuner or in-game using console (if available) or just via options, I get some random weird FPS drops for a second or two. What's weird about them is that FPS monitoring software or in-game monitoring doesn't show any FPS drops but I can certainly feel it drop to like 40 or something. Thing is, this only happens with VSYNC OFF. I feel like this just started happening one day for no apparent reason. Any idea what can cause such behavior?
Levi Davis
how do I get reasonably priced components in the UK, these exchange rates and taxes are fucking retarded
Juan Moore
not possible, when I lived in the UK I would get people visiting me from NA to bring over parts because prices are so much better in the USA
Ian Brown
that you're shitting up the thread with off topic questions which stem from your shitty lack of understanding and inability to use google is a perfectly good reason.
How? Geekbench on Windows heavily favors Intel.
is that not explained in the paste in the OP? It should be added.
In order to have little-to-no microstutters and tearing without adaptive sync you must: >Run the game at 2x the framerate (ie 120fps on a 60hz monitor, though around +80% can be sufficient to not see many micrstutters and eliminate tearing) >Enable fast sync (Nvidia) or enhanced sync (AMD) >Disable VSync and frame buffering, as these add 30-100ms of input latency depending on the game
Vsync and frame buffering off gives you tearing and microstutters, even at 144fps on a 144hz screen, it's a simple physical fact of the technologies despite what the lying Nvidia shills used to say. The same is true with 60fps on a 60hz screen, just even worse as tears and stutter frames last longer.
Kevin Hill
Ah you're AMD schizo
I feel bad for you
Joseph White
>Don't use Speccy Why not?
Christopher Cooper
just dont
Gavin Baker
Friend of mien is willing to sell me his slightly used 2060 for $250ish, is that a good bargain? Upgrading from a GTX 760 so I was curious
Isaiah Brown
speccy is outdated garbage.
Henry Scott
fine deal, nothing outrageous, about as good as you can get especially since you can trust the seller (I assume)
Wyatt Allen
Help me out guis. Need to help a buddy out, needs a new mobo/cpu/ram config for under $500 with best bang for your buck. The rest of the hardware needed will be reused from old pc. (128gb ssd, 1tb hdd, disk drive, 1050ti ssc and 550w evga bronze ps)
John Lopez
QLC under constant use slow down. As the drive reaches capacity it can also slow down to SATA levels and even below HDD speeds if you’re that close to the edge. With that being said, I don’t know why you would be using a QLC SSD for mass storage when HDDs have vastly superior cost to GB.
Isaac Collins
Updated the pcbg-more link with that and updated storage information.
It's okay but I'm guessing you're on 1080p@60 so that's overkill and you should just get a rx570 for half as much. So unless you're also willing to buy a new monitor, then no it's a waste of money. Hell you could get a RX580 AND a new 1920x1200@75 IPS monitor for $250, to illustrate just how poor value that is when you're still on 1080p@60.
I'm pretty certain the guy who posts that every thread is the same guy who spams >what RAM to get? >IPS or TN? and other mundane, low effort questions that are guaranteed to bait replies in order to fill the thread up with garbage. At least the >IPS or TN? spammer is a confirmed ban evader. He's a severely mentally ill tripfag who is upset that Jow Forums hates him so he takes his anger out by shitting up a few threads. Just don't even reply to that shit.
Notice it also came right after this post from the ban evader next time don't buy a poor value GPU like the 1050ti. Could have gotten a 470/570 for the same price and still been fine. Best cpu/ram/board for under $500 is 3600+cheapest x570+2x8GB 3200cl16 crucial ballstix sport. Overkill for the 1050ti, but gives room to upgrade to a 5700xt or 2070 super and a 144hz monitor.
Juan Miller
Do not buy ASrock and Gigabyte boards. Quality control between the two brands is simply too poor to justify the minor price differences between an ASUS or MSI board. Do not buy Gigabyte GPUs, the fan bearings are of low quality and will fail soon after the warranty expires and even before then if using an aggressive fan curve. Blower style reference cards should be avoided, with very few acceptable cases such as the 5700 vanilla. Avoid Corsair PSUs, they are simply rebrands of other OEMs from other manufacturers, with their good PSUs literally being Seasonic anyways. Unless if you can justify hoarding massive amounts of data on the cheap, don’t buy a HDD over an SSD. If you do, avoid Seagates. Avoid Kingston SSDs they’re notoriously prone to failure. QLCs such as Intel’s 660p should not be used a boot drive due to massive performance losses when under constant use. They are however acceptable as storage. There are only 3 ram manufacturers, Micron, SKHynix and Samsung, everyone else just puts heat spreaders and RGB just buy whatever’s the cheapest at the speeds you’re looking for. Performance gains is most notable between 2666mhz to 3000mhz and 3000mhz to 3200mhz is minimal at best.
Christopher Gutierrez
gigabyte makes the best x570 boards and is the only brand consistently releasing good bios updates msi x570 boards are complete garbage
Carson Long
did I make a mistake in buying the asus tough gaming x570?
nah, asus makes solid stuff it's just a bit more expensive in general and compared to the gigabyte x570 boards isn't quite as good
gigabyte usually doesn't make great motherboards, they went all in on x570 for some reason
Grayson Cox
>As the drive reaches capacity it can also slow down to SATA levels and even below HDD speeds Is this another 320 kbps mp3s will lose the quality over time pasta?
Colton Smith
Just a heads up to all the taichi x570 future owners or people considering buying them. I have 2080s msi gaming x trio on taichi and it's right above the mobo fan. When testing the gpu the SB temp gets up to 85 deg celzius while the gpu is max 75. Making the gpu fans work harder, reduces the sb temperature as well while SB fan rpm makes no difference when the GPU is over 70 deg celzius. I've been thinking of getting a riser cable/pcie extension cable and moving the card a slot downwards to free the SB fan, or even considered vertical mounting but with added fan on the side that would blow air directly into the gpu. During games I haven't noticed problems (1080p/1440p) but on 4k card gets hot (70deg+) and hence the SB. Taichi did say max temp is 105, but expect high temps with big gpus or move them to other PCI-e slot, it's supposed to have almost no effect on the GPU speed.
Tyler Anderson
Asrock is just fine. I'll still buy Asus, but I've had too many quality control problems with them to blindly recommend them. Not only have they skimped on specs in the past, but I also distinctly remember them releasing a bad UEFI update for the x370 Prime that ended up frying boards.
Seems like Gigabyte has at least two or three hardware revisions for all of their products, and has even been documented to swap in cheaper parts on later revisions. Again, I've had too much of a history to recommend Gigabyte, and it's going to take a while for me to ever trust their products again.
Why would you say that? Do you have a reason? Their TUF board looks nice, and if I was going to do it all over again, I'd buy that over the x470 Taichi. I just wanted to wait until everything got sorted out with Zen2 before I even remotely started buying any of it.
Easton Taylor
First >SLI in 2019
Second That's half the reason why I bought x470 over x570--I'm just waiting for the boards without a chipset fan. I'm not taking my chances with those. That
Camden Cruz
You're doing God's work, anons.
>AMD is going to get sued for this
>advertise cores that aren't cores >get sued >advertise clocks that aren't widely possible >get sued >b-b-b-b-but intel
>"mid-range" cards have always been $300-$450. If you're including X60, they've been $200-$350 His comment referred to an X70 selling for $350, while the current X70 sells for $500.
>nixeus 27edg v2. Extremely slow response times for an IPS, otherwise worth looking at because of its adaptive overdrive if you've got an an AMD card.
Other options are the VIOTEK GFT27DB (TN) or the MSI OPTIX MAG271CQR (VA)
>Prices will never get better due to sharply rising costs of designing and bringing GPUs to market False on both counts, and Nvidia shareholder have already questioned Nvidia on sharply declining gaming revenue because people just aren't upgrading to Turing. They'll drop pricing for more revenue if no one buys >NVIDIA is upgrading its RTX cards because it desperately needs its gaming GPU sales, which were throttled by the bursting of the cryptocurrency mining bubble and longer upgrade cycles, to accelerate again. Its gaming GPU revenue rose 11% sequentially last quarter, but still fell 39% annually and accounted for nearly half of its top line. fool.com/investing/2019/07/06/nvidias-super-gpus-wont-boost-its-gaming-revenue.aspx
Connor Sullivan
Cheapo 144hz monitors:
AOC G2460 (TN, flat) vs AOC C24G1 (VA, curved) vs Something else?
Liam Wilson
who said anything about sli? I have only one card on the 4xpci slot. I was torn between x470 and x570 taichi, but didn't want to risk it when going for 3900x and in the long run, the only thing that bothers me is the fan which I will sort out either by moving the gpu or leaving it as is, didn't notice any problems currently except when benchmarking and I don't play in 4k.
Hunter Russell
based
Austin Turner
Reminder to report anyone using the terms psyops, spamming, ban evading, FAKE, false flagging, sockpuppeting, or gaslighting. Any other schizophrenic terms I'm forgetting?
>Ignore the troll. It means exactly what it says. He asked why, shithead. Your word means less than nothing, so it's a reasonable question.
>590 or Vega >still recommending garbage because it's AMD garbage Neither one is worthwhile for many reasons including relative performance, price/perf, power consumption, and inconsistent performance (Vega), and lack of features.
Joseph Brown
>I have 2080s
Thomas Wright
I know you schizo posters must all recognize each other but to the rest of us it's almost like you're the same person
Colton Reed
i paid $232 for my 32 gb of crucial ballistix elite 3600mhz ram
There's this card called "GeForce RTX 2080 Super", you might have heard of it.
No. As a general idea of how things work, SSDs are fast and last a long time because they can wear-level their memory cells and read/write to many cells at the same time. As the SSD gets full there's less room for parallelism (can't write to space which is already full, obviously) and the SSD's wear leveling/garbage collection also cannot do such a good job, so it slows down. It's recommended to always leave a decent amount of free space on any SSD, both for performance but also for endurance since the wear leveling works better.
Julian Gutierrez
yea don't bother upgrading until the last generation of am4
Jason Foster
>the SSD's wear leveling/garbage collection also cannot do such a good job, so it slows down by like 0.05% bruv
Michael Bailey
2080s is 2080 super shortened
Jayden Myers
I have a couple of questions: >What's the best mid-range mobo+RAM for R5 2600 in poortugal? Bonus points if it has wi-fi built in. >Is the Phanteks Enthoo Pro ATX case overkill for a mid tier build?
Joseph Gutierrez
I don't think you know what schizo means. Some guy constantly posting about boogeymen is definitely schizophrenic, and there's only one poster like that in this thread. Next time come up with better a better burn
Austin Evans
>AOC C24G1 (VA, curved) you really want to enjoy that ghosting and black smearing huh?
to the guy who keeps posting the pasta about kotor witcher vampyr sacrifice etc
i'm getting my 5700xt tomorrow, i'll try to bench all the games i said i will try (ie all of the list minus quantum break because i couldn't be bothered to download such a big ass game) expect the results by the end of this week
Gavin Lopez
My friend is recommending me the Lenovo Legion y740 with RTX 2080, how much money would it be to buy a superior system with desktop?
Jayden Morris
what am i supposed to look at? legit asking
Nolan Powell
isn't there an overdrive option to mitigate the ghosting?
Julian Perry
why is phoronix the best hardware website now what happened to all the sites that used to be good, is it true youtube killed them
Gabriel Torres
Is there a list of the performance of super cards based on manufacturer? trying to decide which version i wait for a month to get.
Caleb Cox
I realize the recording quality is shit, but you should see that the metal detector posts, smear/blur/trail like mad when moving, increasing it width by about 4-5times.
