/pcbg/ - PC Building General

ATTENTION: Graphics card prices are excessive by historical standards; therefore, consumers should delay or completely forgo any midrange to high end graphics card purchases. The gouging has two root causes: lack of market competition and shortage/"new normal" pricing during the mining hayday.

>Assemble a part list
pcpartpicker.com/
>Example gaming builds and monitor suggestions; click on titles above parts lists to see notes
pcpartpicker.com/user/pcbg/saved/
>How to non-technically assemble a PC
youtube.com/watch?v=69WFt6_dF8g

Want help?
>State budget & CURRENCY
>Post at least some attempt at a parts list
>List your uses, e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work
>For monitors, include purpose (e.g., photoediting, gaming) and graphics card pairing (if applicable)

CPUs based on current pricing:
>Athlon 200GE - HTPC, web browsing, bare minimum gaming (can be OC'd on most mobos with the right BIOS)
>R3 2200G - Recommended minimum gaming
>R5 2600/X - Good gaming CPU with great value
>R5 3600 - Great gaming CPU
>R7 2700 - Budget video editing
>R9 3900X - Professional tasks

RAM:
>Always choose at least a two stick kit; 2x 8GB is recommended
>CPUs benefit from high speed RAM; 3200CL16 is ideal
>AMD B and X chipsets and Intel Z chipsets support XMP

Graphics cards based on current pricing:
>AAA or multiplatform games: Radeon card appropriate for your montior
>PC centric games, VR games, or ray tracing: Nvidia card appropriate for your display
>Used RX 570s can be had for a steal; inquire about warranty
1080p 16:9
>RX 570 8GB - good performance with great value
>GTX 1660 - standard

General:
>PLAN YOUR BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING
>Don't bother buying a new monitor for gaming unless it's high refresh with adaptive sync
>A 250GB or larger SSD is almost mandatory; consider m.2 form factor
>Bottleneck checkers are worthless

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Other urls found in this thread:

techspot.com/article/1880-ryzen-3600x-vs-3600/
techspot.com/review/1379-and-ryzen-5-1600x-1500x/page4.html
pcpartpicker.com/list/Rbtz8Y
outervision.com/power-supply-calculator
au.pcpartpicker.com/list/T7DvLJ
au.pcpartpicker.com/list/XMxGBb
newegg.ca/hanmi-micronics-astro-full-modular-750w/p/1HU-00U6-00003?item=9SIAFGE6PP5423
newegg.ca/palit-geforce-rtx-2070-super-ne6207ss19p2-1040j/p/1FT-0099-00008?item=9SIAKRG9HM1368
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Avoid Corsair PSUs

Still looking for a decent wireless keyboard and mouse. If anyone has their own.

*AHEM*
fuck intel and fuck nvidia

I'd like to add some current year 7600K vs 1600 results on this: techspot.com/article/1880-ryzen-3600x-vs-3600/

This is how the situation looked in 2017: techspot.com/review/1379-and-ryzen-5-1600x-1500x/page4.html

There are still some games where the 7600K can pull ahead, but the list is getting smaller. 6C/6T CPUs might experience the same fate later on.

any reliable power draw comparsions between the v56 and rx5700?

pcpartpicker.com/list/Rbtz8Y

will do some programming/ gaming on it, tried to stay on the budget side
thoughts?

Pic related

Agreed, although I think 6c/6t vs 6c/12t is likely to be less drastic than 4c/4t vs 6c/12t. Really depends on what happens with devs/engines/req after new consoles get Zen2

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Is 3600Mhz really worth it for ryzen? I'm aiming for 32GB, which seems to really drive the price up, but the performance benefit compared to 3200Mhz doesn't seem that significant.

Then there's all the talk of overclocking, but finding the right dies is a challenge in itself.

>ATTENTION: Graphics card prices are excessive by historical standards; therefore, consumers should delay or completely forgo any midrange to high end graphics card purchases. The gouging has two root causes: lack of market competition and shortage/"new normal" pricing during the mining hayday.
based

Elaborate.

nigger

>which seems to really drive the price up

Get some Micron (Crucial) rev. E (E-Die) DIMMs and OC them. No reason to go for some expensive meme kits.

It's even Buildzoid approved :^)

>It doesn't.
>I just wanted 9 fans.
absolutely based

PULSE or RED DEVIL

What's the consensus?

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whichever you can actually get your hands on

I have option to get a vanilla red MSI GTX 1080 for 400 Euros or an RTX 2070 SUPER VENTUS OC (why the fuck are those names all caps?) for 500
what should I do?

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Case thermals is blowing my mind, I bought both the Meshify C and H500 and after fucking around with the fans, the mesh front and top of the Meshify C just doesn't make any difference. The CPU is like 2-3 degrees cooler in the Meshify C, and the GPU is 2-3 degrees hotter.

I don't know how, but the tiny little front/top intake compared on the H500 compared to the entire mesh front/top of the Meshify C seems to do just as good.

Probably neither because a 6GB 2060 is the same perf as a 1080 and the 2070 has been replaced by the 8GB 2060 Super

2070 Super, not vanilla 2070

This is the encouragement I needed not to buy one one of those ugly ass mid 2000s looking ratchet cases

I'm buying an H500 as we speak

Fuck you guys

Yeah kind in my I'm cooling with an air cooler, I have no idea how it would be with a radiator, in both cases you need to mount the radiator in the front which theoretically should be better in the Meshify C as far as I understand.

The H500 looks better so I will keep that, though the Meshify C has slightly better fans so keep that in mind. Personally I already have Silent Wings 3 custom fans so I wouldn't use stock fans either way.

In that case the 2070 Super. A 1080 at 400e is just crazy

keep in mind*

Also my CPU is a 9900k and 1070 GPU for reference.

Should the PSU calculator be added to /pcbg/?
outervision.com/power-supply-calculator

we're in the middle of an edit war, there's a bunch of changes that could and probably should be made but you'd have to convince the guys at war to do it

Nice resource but pcpartpicker calculates the wattage for you (upper right hand corner of build)

Is upgrading to a 75hz 1440p freesync monitor worth it from 60hz 1080p with my current hardware?
I'm running an ryzen 3600 and vega 56, I'm worried I'd have to upgrade my GPU or suffer sub 60 frames.

>75hz
No, >95Hz or bust, preferably >120Hz so that you're not locked to one graphics card vendor

Do anyone has the list of upcoming monitors? Im interested in 240hz/2k specs.

h500 and its variants are based

anyone got the msi mech oc 5700?
how is it?

>120Hz so that you're not locked to one graphics card vendor
What do you mean?

I forgot to mention that the new monitor would be IPS as opposed to TN.

au.pcpartpicker.com/list/T7DvLJ

How's this for pure gaming. No streaming, no flashy LED's. Just want a nice PC to last me 5+ years. Mainly play shit like PoE, WoW, occasional AAA new release.

Basis of design was around the 3600 & 5700xt combo, coupled with the 144hz 1440p monitor.

Things I'm not dead set on are RAM, Mobo, SSDs. Basically just been watching other peoples pickers and selected things I thought were reasonable. Open to suggestions.

The fans are because it gets fucking hot in Australian summer and I don't want it too noisy. Was planning to replace the stock case fans.

Additional question I have an ASUS PCE-AC56 wireless PCI-E card I want to reuse to save me from having to get a wireless mobo. Will that fit in this build? Or should I just pay more for a wireless mobo?

I'd say my total budget would be the $3k mark including that monitor, happy to spend more if it's reasonable but obviously if less that's better.

HOLY SHIT WHY IS IT SO EXPENSIVE

Australia :( the land of cunts

looks like a very good build, I wouldn't change much except if you can find better deals on something regionally cheaper

Looks good my dude

a-anyone?

Waitfag or buyfag?

Thanks, any thoughts on the PCI-E wifi card fitting? I'm not sure how it all goes with the GPU and the NVME stick etc

I'm waiting for the 3950x then also maybe waiting for threadripper and then buypigging hard

Nvida framedoubles at less than 55FPS and AMD framedoubles at less than 48FPS. Anything less than 95Hz can't get LFC from AMD, and anything less than 110 can't get LFC from Nvidia. AFAIK the closest standard monitor Hz greater than 110 would be 120

it should usually fit, but I would recommend getting a wifi motherboard if you're willing. you can save a lot of headaches. I'm biased because I had a wifi card die and prevent my computer from booting that took almost a week to diagnose, because I couldn't believe the wifi card could crash a whole system but it did.

Wait for Intel 10th Gen

Is the guy that wanted his sacrifice gog testing on 5700xt here?

sitting on 3900x, got lucky and received it 20th august instead of today.

Even if he's not, post your results anyway

post your results every day for a few weeks and also argue with everybody

literally my setup
everything works perfectly and that monitor is fantastic

Unless prices come down it seems like you can get a 2070 or maybe even 2070s for fucking cheaper by Black Friday. I’m doing whatever is cheapest

I doubt super series are gonna fall in price but 2070 and 2080 fill 100% fall, especially since 2080 stopped production if I'm not mistaken?
Either way, 2080>2070s but I'd still personally go for better cooling on those cards then to go for something like msi ventus

alright
this is what i got
5700xt pulse
latest drivers 19.9.1
windows ltsc
r5 2600
3200mhz cl16

don't know if this is good or not but the first part i spinned the camera 360° then i ran straight line until the end of capture

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5700XT
RED DEVIL OR ROG

will try c&c generals zero hour now

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forgot to mention the game was GOG version and i left the settings on default except resolution i went 1600xsomething 32bit

Trust in the ozbargain mate, it's a wild time for pricing

Subjectively, how did the game look and feel?

The middle frametime grouping is good, rest is pretty bad imo

is 4K still a meme?

yikes, all of that.
here, fixed it for you
au.pcpartpicker.com/list/XMxGBb

do you have a use case? then it's fine
otherwise it's a meme

no, but IPS is

Thinking about buying a 2060, what is the best monitor for it? A 1440p monitor?

don't know much about the game to have a reference
it didn't stutter but the frames seemed locked at 25
also the sky was going all white from time to time
not sure if glitch or if it was representing the thunder
it was on tutorial 1 btw

>BX500
no

What are the lowest clock and voltages you should get on a 3900x ON WINDOWS ON IDLE?

If you are talking about physical dimensions it will obviously fit, if you are talking about bandwith or shared lanes. The M2/nvme slot and the GPU slots do not share bandwith, and the PCIE x1 for the network card does not either.

4K, it's more cinematic.

>mfw don't want to get a 144hz monitor as that would mean by gpu would have to run much harder and therefore hotter/louder

just done testing generals zero hour
the skirmish works here's proof

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>cinematic
why, because it's gonna be running at a lower frame rate?

>i can predict the future

unironically I went from TN to IPS and I don't have to wear polarized glasses nor do I have eye strains and headaches.

27GL850

From what I've heard, depends on what software you're using to monitor

alright here's a problem
when you alt tab with c&c general the whole screen is frozen and although apps are running the only way to unfreeze is to sign out or restart computer
alt+F4 doesn't work

these are mine. NHD15 cooler.

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correction
this only seems to happen when a cinematic is running
i tried alt tabbing when in the middle of a skirmish and it doesn't freeze

that's pretty much normal, had the same thing happen with yuris revenge several times on different systems

is it normal that i can't install directx9 on win 10?

even on nvidia gpu?

I bought a micronics cpu
Their patented after cooling sounded legit to me
Basically, after you power off, the psu fan keeps spinning for a bit to disperse residual heat, extending the life of your parts
newegg.ca/hanmi-micronics-astro-full-modular-750w/p/1HU-00U6-00003?item=9SIAFGE6PP5423

no, your pc is infected with a virus.
you should reeeinstall win10, or even better install gnu/linux. that should solve your problem.

well it was gtx460, haven't installed on the new system yet.
It depends on the version, some torrents worked for me, some didn't, for example yuris revenge from cd the first decade edition runs without a problem and I can even alt tab, some torrent yuris revenge had problems from the start and my first decade cnc generals simply didn't want to run even after patching. I think it's game and OS related not just amd related, but I could be talking out of my ass. I experienced same problems on r7 370 and gtx 460 with yuris revenge.

I have an i7-3930k.

Should I wait for R9-3950X for the sweet 20 compute units gains, or should I go with r9-3900X and hope the difference is not that big?

buy a 9700k like a normal person.

tried c&c generals non-zero hour
skirmish works and campaign work

I couldn't take the wait anymore
I bought a 2070 super
I'm really looking forward to playing Minecraft on a $700 card

But Intel's security holes make it slow.
That's why I think 3900X may be comparable.

Not to mention that R9>i7

I'm waiting
>intel garbage

will try kotor1 GOG
what is it i should look for again?

Is it worth keeping the 1080ti at this generation?

Frame Buffer Effects/Soft Shadows in options, I don't think you have to try it out since it's grayed out. Kotor1 works on amd cards but with those options constantly turned off, unless there is a community patch somewhere

newegg.ca/palit-geforce-rtx-2070-super-ne6207ss19p2-1040j/p/1FT-0099-00008?item=9SIAKRG9HM1368
This one to be specific
It's about $90 more than the red devil 5700 xt but it can run Minecraft on max settings
Reviews are positive, some claim it's the best 2070 super and also cheap

>ATTENTION: Graphics card prices are excessive by historical standards; therefore, consumers should delay or completely forgo any midrange to high end graphics card purchases. The gouging has two root causes: lack of market competition and shortage/"new normal" pricing during the mining hayday.

big yes, 1080ti is great for pretty much anything you throw at it

>2070 super
which one?
I could buy the MSI Ventus for 500 Euro right now, but I read people claim it has shitty heatsink

What's the best CPU cooler for a Corsair 100R? Is the 100R a good case?

avoid corsair