>SOLDERED 128GB SSD
>SOLDERED 8GB RAM
>A FUCKING DUAL CORE CPU
>ONLY $1100 USD
IN 2019! That's right in 2019 you can get a laptop with a 128GB SSD soldered directly on the motherboard with no way to upgrade/replace and a dual core CPU for $1100!
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>SOLDERED 128GB SSD
>SOLDERED 8GB RAM
Welcome to 2015+4. No decent laptop is upgradeable due the size benefits of making the shit all on one board. Also 128gb isn't too horrible if you manage your files.
>A FUCKING DUAL CORE CPU
Will get bored with 90% of mobile workloads.
>ONLY $1100 USD
Given most of the Windows competition, it's dirt cheap for the overall package. The problem comes from MBP being slightly more expensive and way better at everything. So by accident you're still right in the end, the current MBA is trash.
By the way, if you really want to complain about the shit, check out how they handled the cooling. Now that's a fucking joke.
Get a 15 inch MacBook Pro. Best premium laptop there is.
I'm so glad I bought one. Better than a desktop. Though I don't need more than an i7
A kek thread because another poorfag on food stamps cannot afford a MacBook.
This will only get worse and I blame cloud technology for this, Especially if it starts trending with normies.
Let me guess.. you NEED more
>being able to store terabytes of porn, movies and pictures for free and access them from any device
Oh the horror.
I thought soldering implied that a soft alloy was used so you could remove it with ease. Otherwise it'd be, like, welded or something right?
ok but you dont need any more than that on a laptop
get a desktop if youre really doing something that demands more
>size benefits
What fucking "benefits"?
The only one it benefits is Apple.
Fucking hell man, I'm on a 2014 MBA. This thing is as thin and light as a machine needs to be.
I just had the SSD go bad a few months ago (was throwing up read failures and generally locking the machine up hard), how in fuck's name does it benefit me if the SSD just up and fucking dies when the machine is out of warranty despite the system otherwise still being fine.
plopped a new 500GB SSD in there (admittedly, needed a $20 adapter because lol Apple's non-standard port), I'm good to go
128GB storage is hideously small in 2014+5, not when it's only fucking $100 for 500GB of stupid fast flash, and cheaper if you feel like taking a minor speed penalty. Apple insists on jewing the living ass out of the customer when it comes to storage and memory (I will admit, they've literally done this since the fucking 80s).
if you store any amount of video on your device, 128GB dries up like fucking nothing, and no one wants to tether an external disk to their slim laptop
and storing video in the cloud is absolutely AIDS, particularly if you're not on your nice home connection (because why in the fuck else would you want a laptop that's thin and light above all else if you aren't going outside with it)
>Welcome to 2015+4. No decent laptop is upgradeable due the size benefits of making the shit all on one board. Also 128gb isn't too horrible if you manage your files.
XPS lets you upgrade the drive. The "Probooks" like Latitude, EliteBook, P-Series let you do that AND Ram as well.
>Will get bored with 90% of mobile workloads.
Naw, Intel is shit sorry. They should put some AMD in there.
I like Apple, but I'm not going to defend bullshit that makes their products worse/bad.
Id like to at least have 500GB of trap porn on my laptop when I’m using it in my bed
>Especially if it starts trending with normies
I remember people worrying about that around 2012 when cloud shit started to get big. Since we live in the future, we already know that even the staciest stacy needs local storage and you can't just make people be on cloud shit 100% of the time. It'll be even more evident once the Stadia comes out.
>terabytes
>for free
even with all the probes they'll shove up your ass for targeted ads, it'll still not be enough to pay for whole-ass terabytes.
I haven't had this happen to me personally, but I've heard of stories that videos stored in the cloud just up and disappear sometimes if they contain copyrighted content. There's probably some encryption magic you can do to get around that, but at that point you might as well just make a home server.
>I'm on a 2014 MBA. This thing is as thin and light as a machine needs to be.
And now you can have much better hardware and battery life at the same size and weight with MBP. Or compare how much smaller and lighter the 12" Macbook is compared to the old Air. The new Air is the only one that doesn't really get much from it but it's generally a shitty laptop too close to Pro at price and weight/size. Besides again, just check out how they did the cooling. It's totally idiotic design from start to finish. Lack of replaceable components is the smallest issue.
>128GB storage is hideously small in 2014+5
It really isn't. I'd be the first person to bitch about it a few years ago but now there are just too many ways to minimize the space you need. Besides consider the target group of the Air, people who mainly work with text and a few pictures. It's not meant for hoarders like us.
>if you store any amount of video on your device
Makes not much sense for consuming due online options (why the fuck would you upload the shit when you're not near a decent connection?). And even less for working on it due the hardware. It's more than enough to put couple movies for a flight if you're not going full 50gb bluray.
>Apple insists on jewing the living ass out of the customer when it comes to storage and memory
Can't argue with that. Although the extra for 256gb is almost reasonable.
And your example about being utterly fucked if the drive dies is a fair point but just doubt it happens often enough to give up the size/weight benefit one could gain from putting all the stuff on a tiny mainboard.
>No decent laptop is upgradeable due the size benefits of making the shit all on one board.
t. cuck with buyers remorse
never heard of nvme for laptops?
>XPS lets you upgrade the drive
And suffers at battery life if you get the high res screen option due it. Upgradeable components are way larger, taking up space for more important shit.
>The "Probooks" like Latitude, EliteBook, P-Series let you do that AND Ram as well.
Makes no sense to compare these abominations with ultraportables.
>Naw, Intel is shit sorry. They should put some AMD in there.
Current ones are nowhere near the necessary efficiency for mobiles. No one is saying Intel is great but the CPU in this one is enough for the given workloads.
>I like Apple
>liking a company
Eww.
Google Drive is a thing, friend.
>it'll still not be enough to pay for whole-ass terabytes.
Well, I haven't gone there just yet but it wouldn't be that outlandish. Hard drives are dirt cheap for consumers, imagine Google buying a shipload, it's basically nothing for them while they get free data to train their algorithms. Besides, YT exists. Any shithad can start uploading hours of 4k videos of paint drying for ever without getting kicked of the platform, and most videos are even worse than that.
128GB is basically unusable if you have any amount of (lossless) music or any other kind of media really. I have a 128gb emmc machine that has been basically 95% full since day one.
>what is a home server
>nvme for laptops
It's just the connector, the drive is still pretty large, before we even consider the design to make it accessible.
If you're a producer you can write off the overpriced 1TB version. If you're a normal user storing lossless audio for listening, the issue runs a bit deeper.
More expensive, needs maintenance from time to time, consumes electricity and makes noise … it's not the best solution.
the idea is that you'd settle for your music being compressed to shit on some cloud service, probably for a monthly fee (Spotify). Same with anything, they're basically counting on you to just sit and consume product all the time instead of being creative and making shit which requires a lot of storage
>IS THERE ANY AUDIBLE DIFFERENCE?
>128gb isn't too horrible if you manage your files
I can't migrate to this at all bro. I have had well over 256gb on my mac for the last 5 years. Its just music and video files that aren't worth moving. For how pathetically cheap these drives are I want my shit to fit and not have to have multiple backups and drives connected to the mac.
>almost 2020
>128gb soldered on SSDs and 1366x768 screens are still a thing
it wasn't supposed to be like this
Actually a NAS is typically cheaper than a similar amount of cloud storage ime. It also really doesn't make that much noise or consume that much electricity. I'm not talking about a giant supercomputer that needs to be stationed in a wind tunnel and have its own nuclear plant.
Yeah, exactly, it's for retards.
I was in a pretty similar boat, but TEH CLOUD took care of the video issue and converting made my music fit on the 256gb drive (a good part of it raped by Logic). Then I checked my autism started slimming it down when storage wasn't even a factor anymore. 40 days of music is more than enough and browsing is more comfy when you have to scroll less. TOO BAD ABOUT SKIPPING SCRIABIN.
>What is screen, trackpad, or thunderbolt
Comparing it to G Photos specifically (for people who need 4k videos and storage for RAWs it's a different business of course); so you have initial cost, and the constant running costs, and have to update that thing from time to time. It offers other benefits too obviously but doubt it's something most people will need, and overall it just isn't as comfy solution as the cloud.
Why can't we appreciate both?
>Welcome to 2015+4. No decent laptop is upgradeable due the size benefits of making the shit all on one board.
Clevo wants a word
Don't even bother user, this is the same board that shills overheating shitpads from 2010.
Dell Precisions beg to differ
Not worth $700+, which is how much more this thing costs than it should.
Then show me a laptop with better specs for a lower price
Don't forget that it overheats when you try to do something more resource heavy than browsing internet or making an office document.
t. owner of a 2014 MBP who loves macOS but hates Apple's shitty hardware.
>complaining about stuff that is made for retards
They look twice as fat as MBP and probably have half the battery life.
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The thing that manages to last less than ancient MBP's despite the joke of a resolution?
Refurbished MBP. No, seriously, the is zero excuse to buy the new Air. It's shit, no matter how you approach it. 13" MBP is where it's at.
Not him, but where I live a clevo rebrand with a i7-9750H, 1660ti, 512gb ssd (albeit only SATA) and 16gb of RAM is right on $1100USD at current exchange rates, however that also includes our tax. Given that the USA doesn't normally list prices with tax, the equivalent price here would be $1210 USD which lets me go up to a 144hz screen and to add a shitty 256gb nvme SSD for the second slot (self) or have the provider swap the 512gb sata SSD for 512gb NVME
Either drop the 1660ti to a 1650 or the 16gb of ram to 8gb and you have a cheaper laptop than the $1100 USD mark.
My country is pretty overpriced for clevo rebrands as well, outside of the desktop replacements.
In a non overpriced country for clevo rebrands you can generally find stock of the first RTX laptops that are being cleared out. i5-9400, 16gb ram, 512gb nvme ssd, RTX2060 and 120hz screen for $1077 USD.
>SATA 240GB SSD
>2x4GB SODIMM RAM
>DUAL CORE CPU
>ONLY $200 USD
Battery life for browsing is generally decent, I don't know how it compares to the MBP. The soldered ones are pretty thing, the actually decent clevos (desktop socket) are thicc, but who gives a shit?
If you're carrying around a laptop, you're carrying around a bag or folio for it anyway, and at that point thickness and weight don't matter. Thickness would only matter if you got some kind of giant patch pocket in a jacket to carry it, but I doubt many people carry their laptop that way.
Macbook Pro 13 inch:
>2560x1600 LED-backlit IPS display
>Quad-core i7 @ 1.7GHz, 4.5GHz turbo
>Intel Iris Plus Graphics 645
>8GB RAM
>128GB SSD
>$1599 USD
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vs.
HP Envy 13T:
>3840x2160 LED-backlit IPS touch display
>Quad-core i7 @ 1.8GHz, 4.9GHz turbo
>nVidia GeForce MX250
>16GB RAM
>256GB SSD
>$1299 USD
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>IN 2019! That's right in 2019 you can get a laptop with a 128GB SSD soldered directly on the motherboard with no way to upgrade/replace and a dual core CPU for $1100!
Still outperforms most ThinkPads :^)
> 3840x2160
>13 inch
literally why
because dpi scaling
>notebookcheck.net
Barely 8h with 1080p, so the 4k version is probably around 6:30-7h. The 2018 MBP lasted almost 11h in the same test. 2019 one might go all the way to 12-13h.
>but who gives a shit
People who look for a portable laptop I take. Someone who considers the MBA probably cares more about portability, while someone who considers a Clevo is more about the performance and freedom to adjust the hardware. It's apples vs oranges, man.
Cuz big numbers sell. Though even Applel overdoes it. 1200p is the best resolution for 13" hitting the balance between space, sharpness and battery life.
I can't believe there's unironic Applemonkeys on this board, wow. Embarrassing.
I will concede this, but is it really enough to justify being worse in just about every other way and costing more?
>being worse in just about every other way
Not them but have you even actually used either of them?
The MBA is a much better experience. Specs aren't everything, especially on the laptop made for everyday use, and if you can't recognize this you're just a Jow Forums autist.
Your personal experience is entirely subjective. I linked better specs for less money, as asked.
Well, there are things like trackpad and OS. If these aren't super important for you, it's probably the better choice indeed. TBQH I'm surprised by the price, if we skip the 16gb and dedicated GPU meme, and hell even scale down the screen, it's a damn fine sub 1k option.
Nice dodge there. I wasn't even the guy that asked for the specs by the way.
What dodge? Are you trying to say the MBP just objectively "feels" better because reasons?
I asked you a question and you didn't answer it.
But I bet you'll now claim you have in fact used them both in an attempt to damage control.
Okay, to answer your question, no I have not used either of them. Happy?
This is true.
I'm just always confused as to why people make a huge deal about 1.34kg vs 2.9kg or the like. I get it's personal preference, but it's not exactly enough to notice.
It's not hard to walk 2-3km from the supermarket with 20kg of groceries (I do it instead of taking the train for a little bit more exercise), 1.34 vs 2.9 isn't even noticeable when carried, unless you're trying to pinch the edge of it and wave it around, and even then that's more of a size thing than a weight thing.
Great, so you're whining that one product is superior to the other one when you haven't even used either.
I don't even know why I'm surprised, this is Jow Forums after all.
It's not just "soldered". It's soldered in a BGA or w/e you call it. Thjis means you need special equipment and need to be a literal autist to desolder it and replace it.
If it was just soldered like a battery it wouldn't even be such a big deal.
One has better specs in a majority of categories for less money.
>a macbook's trackpad and its integration with macos is worth a couple hundred dollars extra imo
er minus meme arrows
>Specs aren't everything, especially on the laptop made for everyday use, and if you can't recognize this you're just a Jow Forums autist.
l2read
Sure, I'm not going to make purchasing decisions for you, buy the Macbook if you think it's nicer to use or whatever. From an objective standpoint though, it is inferior in most categories.
Your personal experience is entirely subjective. :^)
same, but not a macbook and cost me $30
Great, so we're in agreement.
So why are you bringing up objectivity while agreeing it's subjective?
Have it right here (2018 retina model). It just werks™
macOS only "uses" (allocates rather) more than 4Gb ram when I run a game, for normal work (including PS and LR) it hovers between 2.5 and 4Gb.
Did I say it just werks™?
Which one is a "better experience" would be subjective, but the specs are not.
A trackpad, I/O, screen and battery life aren't specs?
>walk 2-3km from the supermarket with 20kg of groceries (I do it instead of taking the train for a little bit more exercise)
BASED. Same here, though it's just 3km there and back for me.
>1.34 vs 2.9 isn't even noticeable when carried
It is when the rest of your stuff is also super light, I tend to travel with as few things as possible and the difference between 920g (my current laptop) and the old 13" Air at 1.3x kg was noticeable when you pay attention to it. Taking up less space was great too. It wasn't a HUGE deal obviously but hard to miss.
The more noticeable scenarios are when you actually move it around. Say from bed to table or wherever you like to work, and then having something barely noticeable vs kinda light but still very much there, it's just damn pleasant. And you can use it in more eccentric positions without feeling the weight too, say balancing it on one knee and scrolling with one hand.
I tend to keep my laptops for 4-5 years so the initial premium isn't too noticeable on the wallet either way.
I said a majority of categories, and you didn't even bring that up before. Also, the Mac screen is actually worse.
wow, second hand specs for a first hand price! sign me up!
You're wrongly assuming each spec if equally important. Also, the original post in the chain mentioned 3/4 things, dumbass.
Abso-fucking-lutely.
Screen isn't all about resolution. Mac got a better aspect ratio for work for one. Haven't seen any reviews about the 4k HP screen to speak about the rest.
>Also, the Mac screen is actually worse.
I'd take that aspect ratio + no backlight bleed any day over 4k in a 13inch laptop lmao
When carried I meant more in a bag as you go from location to location, when you're one handing it/doing weird positions then yeah it will be noticeable.
I guess it depends on what you use your laptop for as well. If it's more of a desktop replacement you take around since you move countries a lot aka you only care about moving it from house to house, or if it's a secondary machine you use when not sitting at your main one and thus are exposed to strange positions more, which for me would be my tablet (basic bitch m7y30 cheap chinkshit tablet), since I got a bigger pocket put in for that.
As more of a tablet tier thing, then yeah the emphasis on light weight matters and I can see why people want lighter.
So now we can just go back to bitching about DUAL CORE 1100USD like a bunch of even more autistic people
WHY CAN'T WE TALK ABOUT THE COOLING ALREADY.
They didn't connect the fan to any sort of heat-pipes. This deserves way more ridicule then all of the shit mentioned in the thread.
>WHY CAN'T WE TALK ABOUT THE COOLING ALREADY.
huh? what cooling?
I-is it at least a ~5W CPU that's attached to a giant copper backplate or something (does okay for my chinkshit)?
Exactly! That thing has a fan and a chip that has the same TDP as the one in the fanless 12" Macbook, and it gets hotter/throttles faster while taking longer to cool down. In a way it's amazing engineering to make a chip with fan run worse than without. (I guess they planned to use a 15W chip but got fucked by Intels update cycle so kept bits of the old cooling system while taking other bits out)
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Hard to tell but it doesn't look that way.
Yeah it definitely doesn't look like it's using the bottom of the shell as a giant heatsink with extra copper lining or the like
How do you manage to fuck up cooling such a basic chip? Like if I bought $150 chinkshit I'd be fine with having to open it and do a copper shim mod (Like you have to do on some of the more well known tablets) since shit doesn't quite match up, but $1100 I want it to be perfect
MACTODDLERS BTFO
>How do you manage to fuck up cooling such a basic chip?
It's magic!
>but $1100 I want it to be perfect
Expecting a cooling that actually works isn't even 1.1k tier, most walmart laptops manage that. The new Air is probably their most half assed product since the first gen pencil charging … think they came out in the same year too, so maybe there was some silent engineer strike or some shit.
Street shit harder iJeet.
macOS is a fucking abortion
my x250 does not have soldered RAM and my two SSDs are not soldered either, not even my two batteries.
it also costs fraction of macshit
It's great if you just live small, consume what they're feeding you, micromanage your drive space daily, and do nothing but read facebook. Awesome technology right there.
>The thing that manages to last less than ancient MBP's despite the joke of a resolution?
My battery lasts half a fucking day. That's why you get the advanced one. And what do you mean joke of a resolution? Should it have 4K? It's a fucking laptop you mong, and it's still an HD display. It's built to fucking last too.
>when I’m using it in my bed
Consider a NAS box, have as much storage as you need
It's called conspicuous consumption. Do you, and don't worry about it. People are very efficient at inventing bullshit to squander their resources, so it's not like their money would be better spent elsewhere.
My yoga 530 has none of these issues at half the price. RAM, SSD, battery are all user-servicable and it has a meme touchscreen ontop
cope macfag
A 128 gig SSD means your laptop is rocking less storage than most digital cameras and cellphones with SD card slots. There are people with that much RAM in non workstation applications.
>Makes no sense to compare these abominations with ultraportables.
Idk why that user compared the p series to a thin and light, but the x1 carbon has soldered ram and a soldered cpu presumably because it needs to be that way to be as thin as it is. It does however have upgradeable m.2 storage and I'm pretty sure its literally thinner than the macbook air, if not as close, so yeah soldered storage just isnt acceptable. But idk, the x1 carbon needs it because people want to do real work on it and the mba is a mba so....
based clevo owner
The ironic thing is, you can shell out some more shekels "only $199!!!!" if you care about a QC and get the MBP 13 which is literally a slightly thicker air with bigger battery
IMO the 2015 13" MBP was peak macbook, best of everything aside from glued battery and dual core CPU.
But why use Dual cores at all? I would think the kind of shit that runs on a Mac could even use AMD's core counts effectively.
>best of everything aside from glued battery and dual core CPU.
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I've been using MacBooks was my laptop since the first Intel powered apple laptop and honestly i'm not sure what i'm going to replace my MBA with. I could wait for a next gen air with a quad core Y processor and hopefully fixed keyboard... Or i could just bite the bullet and finally get a windows laptop. I use both Windows and Linux anyway, though i'm sure there would be "little things" i miss from MacOS.
But there is almost too much choice with windows laptops, especially in the 13-14" bracket.
>15"
>I clearly said 13"
80% of the quality comes from the os if you get used to it. i need to windows at the office and everything takes 4 times the time to do