ATTENTION: Graphics card prices are excessive by historical standards; therefore, consumers should delay or completely forgo any midrange to high end graphics card purchases. The gouging has two root causes: lack of market competition and shortage/"new normal" pricing during the mining hayday.
Want help? >State budget & CURRENCY >Post at least some attempt at a parts list >List your uses, e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work >For monitors, include purpose (e.g., photoediting, gaming) and graphics card pairing (if applicable)
CPUs based on current pricing: >Athlon 200GE - HTPC, web browsing >R3 2200G - Recommended minimum gaming >R5 2600/X - Good gaming CPU with great value >R5 3600 - Great gaming CPU >R7 2700 - Budget video editing >R9 3900X - Professional tasks
RAM: >Always choose at least a two stick kit; 2x 8GB is recommended >CPUs benefit from high speed RAM; 3200CL16 is ideal >AMD B and X chipsets and Intel Z chipsets support XMP
Graphics cards based on current pricing: >AAA or multiplatform games: Radeon card appropriate for your montior >PC centric games, VR games, or ray tracing: Nvidia card appropriate for your display >Used RX 570s can be had for a steal; inquire about warranty 1080p 16:9 >RX 570 8GB - good performance with great value >GTX 1660 - standard
General: >PLAN YOUR BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING >Don't bother buying a new monitor for gaming unless it's high refresh with adaptive sync >A 250GB or larger SSD is almost mandatory; consider m.2 form factor >Bottleneck checkers are worthless
What mobo should i buy for a ryzen 5 3600? Can i get any b450?
Nolan Thomas
That sawtooth shit is Ryzen specific lad My R5 2600 does it on my B450
Nathaniel Thompson
in that case i guess i wont bother since i don’t think my 580 can hit 144fps in the games i play
Ian Ortiz
keep in mind that the rtx 2080 is 1080p 60fps card if you plan on using raytracing
Josiah Phillips
Because the Dolby Atmos for Headphones only works with certain things that use Atmos.
Forza, Netflix, etc.
Jaxson Williams
>brand new x570 mobo and ryzen 5 3600x >current OS is win 8.1 >big screeching warning every time i boot that my hardware is unsupported on this version of windows
is it time to roll over and install windows 10?
Jeremiah Allen
(reposting because new thread)
alright boys, I have 35 bucks on my amazon account and I need a new hard drive. something over like 1 or 2 tb. I see the seagate barracuda 2tb for $55 and it seems like the best I can get for that sort of price, but what do you guys think? amazon.com/gp/product/B07H2RR55Q
Jaxson Robinson
Assuming you have the means to update the bios, yes. You should probably check the product page for whichever one you're considering to make sure there's a bios available, just to be sure.
Oliver Hughes
My i7 desktop gaming/ML workstation from spring 2016 unexpectedly failed a couple days ago. Is there any major standard upgrade in the pipeline that I should wait for before I replace?
Nicholas Peterson
It's time to use a free and open source operating system that doesn't try to railroad you into actions that destroy value for you.
Christopher Hughes
If you want intel workstation CPU, the new 10th gen workstation CPUs hit in October.
Jose Thompson
At this point it's more like the 2070S, considering you can turn off all other lighting effects and you don't have to run all other settings on Ultra. For instance, you can turn a setting like volumetric lighting down a notch in Control and get a huge FPS boost while still maintaining visual quality
Try to research the particular model on blackblaze
B450s (except MAX) don't come with an updated BIOS, so they either have to have a BIOS flash feature that allows BIOS flash without a supported CPU (as the 3600 is not with said new BIOS), you have to have a previous gen Ryzen CPU (aka a supported CPU), or you have to have it updated by some service. I've heard Microcenter will update for free at the time of purchase
>hit 144FPS You don't need to with Freesync, that's the point. There are some image quality caveats though, depending on panel overdrive requirements
If you had 8.1 you should have already updated to 10. 10 is less crap than 8/8.1
Win10 or Linux, yes. You can still upgrade to Win10 for free.
I'd at least get something as good as the TUF PRO, Steel Legend, or Mortar as a minimum, in the $80-$100 range. But sure you can cut some features and VRM quality for even cheaper boards.
The point of Freesync is that the display still looks good even at 60fps. Also without freesync(or gsync), you have to run 2x the framerate of your display or suffer serious input lag of vsync+buffering. See the monitors section of >rentry.co/pcbg-more So Freesync really is an absolute must unless you play nothing remotely competitive and don't mind 30-80ms+ of extra input latency.
James Hall
ah so you meant backblaze, anyway thank you; I'll check it out
You have to back in their blog. They've got reports on lots of 2TB drives
Ian Richardson
all I want is a decent 1080p75 22" TN monitor what should I get, I'm in western europe I don't care about syncs of any kind or anything like that
Alexander Sanders
hm. I didn't consider looking at external drives. I am seeing some better prices here, thanks for the tip well I just went through the blog posts for every year they have and they only had under 2TB drives listed in 2015. so uh yeah, unless i'm blind, this blog is useless to me. but I appreciate it anyway.
If anything it'll likely run at some stupid low res, not native res.
Hunter Barnes
if you're going nvidia might as well get a meme tracing card
Brandon Moore
i don't think 2070 supers have coil whines at least my ft3 doesn't
Colton Martin
I got a free Z390 board as part of a job I did, what's a good CPU to lair with it $300?
Please no hardware warring fanboys from /v/.
Andrew Edwards
I know but the problem is I have no HDMI signal at all
Asher Russell
yes
Grayson Parker
Should I pull the trigger? I've been using these since I built my system in 2014, and I definitely want more RAM. I don't think my board even supports DDR4 though, so I'd have to get a new motherboard, and might as well get a new CPU while I'm at it. - i5-4670K (highest I've ever gotten was 4.4, but currently stock) - GTX 980 reference - MSI Z87-G45 motherboard - 8GB DDR3 @ 1866
>B450s (except MAX) don't come with an updated BIOS there were some gaming pro carbon ac that came zen 2 pre flashed
Blake Allen
>all the good deals that happen at microcenter >don't have one near me JUST
Parker Thompson
Some said the xc ultra has coil whine
Juan Morgan
Yea, it's $65 cheaper than newegg, and has another $30 off if you buy it with a motherboard.
So could be $80-90 cheaper than newegg after that.
Thankfully microcenter is a quick 10-15 minute drive for me.
Alexander Gutierrez
how do i deactivate CPU mitigations?
Aiden Green
You know what they still don't have? a 5700 XT
Dylan Thompson
Turns out the retards shilling overpriced used 1080Tis were, in fact, trolling as I said. But there's finally some concise data for it. Oh look, found another one. Should be $200. Not worth the power consumption and lack of upgrade path over the 3600.
Some absolutely do. How can you make a blanket statement like that. Do you simply know nothing about graphics cards?
>Should be $200. Not worth the power consumption and lack of upgrade path over the 3600. lmfao, that's horseshit and if you honestly think this, you're an obvious AMD shillboy.
For gaming specifically, the 9700k is well worth it at $299.
If you can go through the minor hassle, there are still plenty of people dumb enough to think Intel is good in 2019 who'll pay almost full price for the board, and then you can get x570+3600 at effectively a discount.
Depends on model. The Trio X is fine.
why TN? You can get 1920x1200@75 4ms IPS for about $100 in the USA. Anyway it's hard to help with europoor monitor shopping advice. Your market is fucked.
>blower XT
Connor Howard
>>blower XT I never said they had AIB cards. Just saying, they've got 5700XT's
Gavin Brown
So I should spend $175-200 on a used i7 from the same generation as the one I have now?
$175 for a 8700k is an okay upgrade I think if you don't mind the 253 security vulnerabilities. If you mean a 7700k or 4790k, obviously not. You get better value out of getting a new board and a r5 3600.
Evan Ramirez
at this price you can get a 2600+a b450 mobo
Christopher Howard
>253 security vulnerabilities oh look, it's the AMD shill
what a twist
Jacob Jones
Nice counter argument. Okay I guess it's 240 now. A few got removed.
I actually just prefer TN because my eyes are shit and I like dull washed out colors because those don't make me feel like I'm throwing my eyes into a blender and yeah the european market is fucked beyond belief
Luis Rodriguez
My friend completed his new build yesterday. he has a seasonic focus gold+ 550 PSU but he is using stock cooler if that helps.
Ian Diaz
intel is also the most widely used in the server space.
If you're a hacker, and you want to hack a server, are you going to look at AMD or intel architecture?
Same for security researchers, if you're researching hardware vulnerabilities, are you gonna look at AMD which has sub 10% marketshare, or are you gonna be focusing your research on Intel, which holds 90% of the market?
If YOU'RE a researcher looking to get a job, or looking to protect the company you work for, of COURSE you're gonna be looking at intel FARRRR more closely than AMD.
Come back and show me that in a decade if AMD holds the majority marketshare and most researchers have switched over.
Jayden Thompson
No one has it
Daniel Nguyen
Why even continue making CPUs when all of this shit is in them?
Because it's generally very difficult to make practical use of these vulnerabilities.
Leo Jones
>may allowed privilaged users Dont give admin permissions to malware and its not an issue
Joshua Hall
It's just PSU manufacturers being retarded so they can blame the PSU if it's a reasonable size. A shitty no-brand PSU won't work well if at all at its rated output. You really only need 500-600W or so for the 5700XT. You can see in that the card doesn't use much power.
>intel is also the most widely used in the server space. Are you trolling by spreading blatant lies, or just retarded? Intel has gotten virtually no new contracts since Epyc launched. Their entire HPC business is merely fulfilling old contracts now.
Google, Microsoft, Amazon, Epic Games, virtually everyone is all switching to AMD. This is a fact. Your post is lies.
They are unironically simply keeping up appearences for investors. Remember the Skylake-X launch? Virtually no one bought them. But then they refreshed it anyway because AMD refreshed with Threadripper 2000. And now they're refreshing again even though they'll be completely destroyed by Zen2 threadripper. They have to pretend to compete so they can make up fake slides for investors.
And they still have their laptop market which is an ecosystem they're so ingrained in with software power optimizations made for them. Intel is also a big company that does way more than CPUs. The make ethernet, SSDs, recently sold their 5G patents to Apple, etc.
For consumers, like laptops, the vulnerabilities aren't being exploited that much. It's sensitive workstations, anything with a cryptocurrency wallet, and HPC where they matter. No one is going to go through the effort just to steal grandma's passwords.
Jonathan Scott
Is there anything wrong with the B450 Aorus M for a 2600? Other than ">gigabyte"
Blake Edwards
What's the best CPU+GPU combo for a 1080p 60hz gaming rig?
Will I see any benefits going for the 5700xt over the 5700?
William Diaz
I mean, AMD marketshare in the server space is clearly increasing.
But as a total, AMD represents less than 5% of all servers sold in each quarter.
1600+RX590. 1660ti or 5700 if they're on sale because they're overkill and worse value. 5700 is what you should be getting with a 1440p@75 monitor, not 1080p@60.
It's amazing how you confused revenue share for market share. Are you underage? This is something any 18 year old should know the difference between.
Grayson King
>253 security vulnerabilities Irrelevant on home platforms. AMD also has built in, exploitable manufacturer backdoors if you're worried about glowies (which you clearly are)
>Should be $200 If you're an exaggerating AMD fanboy, yeah. Considering it's as good or better than the 3700X then it can easily be worth it at $300
Correct, no system is secure. If more research were done on Ryzen, there'd be more vulnerabilites found, besides the ones already discovered.
>Intel has gotten virtually no new contracts since Epyc launched. Source? Anyway that doesn't change the total marketshare much since no one ever used Opterons. His point is valid, in that the vast majority of servers out there are Intel based.
R5 2600 + 1660 or 570 if you want to be cheap
Benjamin Wood
So you wont answer my question?
Hunter Watson
>revenue share that's not revenue share, that's UNIT share.
They count the number of 1P 2P, 4P, 8P, network devices, etc sold.
Isaac Jackson
>market share You don't know what market share means, shithead. It can be over any specified period of time, and we're clearly not talking about just the last year considering the context of his post
Cameron Anderson
Can I RMA my external HHD if SMART shows current pending sector and off-line uncorrectable sector warnings? Oddly Seatools tests show no errors so I'm worried they'll just send it back
Jason Powell
Is ray tracing a meme? Should I get RTX 2060 Super or RX 5700?
Jeremiah Smith
>Is ray tracing a meme Right now, yes. You'll be able to turn on like 1 ray tracing effect with a 2060 while still having acceptable frames
Brandon Sullivan
sacrifice bro i fixed the issue with frame locked sacrifice i turned the "pre rendered frames" in the display panel from 1 to 4 here's results, same as always run to the hill then spin around 2070 super ufile.io/q6zw1t40
depends of the implementation control is doing a great job at it but you either need a powerful card or have to go from ultra to high
Andrew Myers
Are AMD's drivers still shit? Apart from ray tracing that's the only thing holding me back.
Wyatt Campbell
shit for older games, usually fine for more recent titles.
Jordan Rivera
I mean more generally. I had booting issues for a long time with my 2200G no GPU setup on Linux for a long time until it finally got patched. Don't really want to see something like that again.
Ethan Sanchez
>Source? Source otherwise? nextplatform.com/2019/01/11/cpu-wars-and-exascale-clarity-hpc-in-2019/ Only notable HPC win for Intel I can find in 2019 is for the Department of Energy. Meanwhile Cray has turned to AMD for all their new supercomputers. China, Europe, HPC all over the world has dumped Intel.
That DoE contact is not only the other one I could find in google, it's also the only one mentioned in this article compared to multiple new AMD HPC contracts.
Do you read the industry news at all, or do you just assume shit all day long because facts would destroy your fragile view?
Yes it's unit share, aka the share of units occupied overall. So if the number of server growth or displacement is 1% in a quarter, and AMD's unit share increases by almost 1%, nearly all the servers are AMD. You think they replace all the servers in the entire world every quarter? There's HPC servers from a decade ago still running. You are the one conflating it with unit market share, aka the percentage of market sales for the quarter. You absolute idiot.
ray tracing is the future but by the time it catches on in ~2023 the 2080Ti won't even run the games at 10FPS and the 2060 will struggle for 1FPS. Obviously get the 5700.
AMD drivers were better than Nvidia's since late 2016. It's just that new beta drivers for new architectures are always bad for each company. Nvidia's drivers were absolute shit and had many major issues after the RTX launch for months as well. They'll be sorted out, and are usable at the moment.
Owen Rodriguez
>Is ray tracing a meme? I enjoyed it in Control. It's a clearly a personal choice, but I wouldn't spend that much money on a graphics card without raytracing
I averaged a fairly steady 45FPS with full ray tracing in Control using a 2060 6GB, which was fine since I was using a controller. Obviously you won't be using ray tracing in any competitive games
2700 or 2700x? Both from microcenter . X is 20 dollars more only @ 190usd. Or should I just go for the 3600?
Daniel Foster
not really i'm in the process of debunking these myth about amd having poor driver support for older games and so far the only thing that was confirmed on both ends is that kotor1 doesn't allow you to select "frame buffer" or "soft shadows" in the display settings it's not a deal breaker although on my 5700xt i had font glitches in witcher 1 that made the game unplayable so ask around for someone to confirm it on their end for 5700xt
Brayden Jackson
Seriously?
Shit already bought a 3700x and been waiting forever for 5700xt availability.
How about red devil 5700 non xt and a 3700x?
Kevin Ward
Id get the 2700x IF you will keep the cooler it comes with
Jaxson Thompson
sacrifice bro redid another run at vampyr with the new settings ufile.io/75n14054
Luke Martinez
What card did and rez did you run for control? Only game i played raytraced was quake 2, which looked cool i guess
>Source otherwise? You can't make a random claim and then post "source otherwise" like a fucking moron. You made a claim, now you have to back it up.
My comment was >Anyway that doesn't change the total marketshare much since no one ever used Opterons. His point is valid, in that the vast majority of servers out there are Intel based.
which is literally backed up by your link >the 800-lb gorilla in the room, Intel. Its chips are used in well over 90 percent of the HPC systems on the planet, which has been the case since the downfall of the AMD Opteron. nextplatform.com/2019/01/11/cpu-wars-and-exascale-clarity-hpc-in-2019/
You said that Intel has gotten no new server contracts since Epyc, and now it's time for you to back that up.
>destroy your fragile view Nice projecting, considering your posts are mostly delusional
>There's HPC servers from a decade ago still running. And of course that was his point in , glad you have conceded
Kayden Green
>which was fine since I was using a controller i'm not a controller player so i don't understand how does the controller/keyboard have an impact on the framerate your eyes see legit asking
Adrian Russell
And if I would rather get a 212 black because it looks cooler should I just go 3600? I'm going to do Cemu Emulation.
Wyatt Allen
why do the builds in the op have a sata and nvme?
Adrian Hall
Cemu is shitballs but the 3600 would do a better job
Adam King
>You said that Intel has gotten no new server contracts since Epyc, and now it's time for you to back that up. Which is obviously bullshit when AMD has been turning down EPYC contracts because they can't fulfill the demand.
Which is good for AMD, but means every contract they CAN'T meet, goes intel still.
Brody Hughes
I got a b450 Tomahawk not max It says ryzen 3000 desktop ready on box When I turn on pc without hdd/ssd it loads bios and won't startup When I install memory it automatically shuts down after power on and won't restart until they're unplugged Is this because I need to flash bios? Can I do so with parts installed? If I need to, what parts can I leave installed? I really don't want to take off the cpu again
