Want help? >State budget & CURRENCY >Post at least some attempt at a parts list >List your uses, e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work >For monitors, include purpose (e.g., photoediting, gaming) and graphics card pairing (if applicable)
CPUs based on current pricing: >Athlon 200GE - HTPC, web browsing, sneed minimum gaming (can be OC'd on most mobos with the right BIOS) >R3 2200G - Recommended minimum gaming >R5 2600/X - Good gaming CPU with great value >R5 3600 - Great gaming CPU >R7 2700 - Budget video editing >R9 3900X - Professional tasks >I9 9900K king of gaming
RAM: >Always choose at least a two stick kit; 2x 8GB is recommended >CPUs benefit from high speed RAM; 3200CL16 is ideal >AMD B and X chipsets and Intel Z chipsets support XMP
1080p >RX 570/580 8GB - Can be found on sale/used for cheap. Look for 570s which are >1240MHz boost >GTX 1660TI / Vega56 - higher fps / more demanding games; only worth it on sale as normal cost is overpriced >RX 5700 - higher FPS 1440p >RX 5700 - standard, 70-100FPS+ gaming >RX 5700XT - high FPS >RTX 2070Super - higher FPS with the ability for ray tracing 2160p (4K) >RTX 2070Super - budget option. >2080Ti - best for 4K or 144hz 1440p, but poor value
>RX 570/580 stock is becoming limited as RX 5600 launch approaches
General: >PLAN YOUR BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING >Don't bother buying a new monitor for gaming unless it's high refresh with adaptive sync >A 250GB or larger SSD is almost mandatory; consider m.2 form factor >Bottleneck checkers are worthless
ATTENTION: Graphics card prices are excessive by historical standards; therefore, consumers should delay or completely forgo any midrange to high end graphics card purchases. The gouging has two root causes: lack of market competition and shortage/"new normal" pricing during the mining hayday.
Jaxon Gray
Posting here because new thread and no laptop advice general
I think the differences are this has 128gb ssd (and 1tb HDD) while the asus has 256gb SSD And / or Intel core i5 instead of an amd Ryzen 5
Any pointers here? Will use it for low intensity gaming (wow classic) and some basic video editing through adobe premiere. Budget is 700€ max
Bentley Sanchez
Wayyy too many problems with my Asrock b450m pro4f. I don't want to go to warranty for the third fucking time. What's a nice AMD mobo for less than 100 bucks guys? e: sorry for re
Josiah Myers
Is getting a Red Devil 5700 overkill? I know you need the extra fans for the XT because it runs so hot but so I really need to worry about the temps for the 5700 to that extent?
Hudson White
Mechanical laptop drives are just painful to use these days and neither of those look like they have enough ssd storage to do both games and video editing. Also the 2500U is the slower CPU but eats less than half the power the 8300H does if battery life is a concern.
Andrew Lewis
tl;dr: What AMD hardware is gonna be good for 240hz@1080p?
Longer reading: I don't really care about detail or memetracing so >gaymes can look pretty ghetto as long as it's stable 240. Please don't go overkill, since I want to just get a *STABLE* 240hz, I don't need meme tier builds with an overblown budget (I do know it's kinda retarded stating that since I want 240hz but then again, why bother overpaying if you don't need to surpass a goal anyway?) I've been thinking about zen2 (3900x perhaps) and for the GPU probably a VII or a 5700 but I don't really know which one hence the question. I don't want jewvidia or jewtel so don't bother with memes. And yes, I do know you need fast RAM but I will pick that accordingly to the recommended CPU so we're good on that. I've already got a freesync 240hz monitor, I just need a PC that will handle it.
Any very low power passively cooled GPUs for running the local display on a server without an igpu? Do those AMD cards that completely shut themselves off when the monitor is off/detached actually work as advertised?
Adam Edwards
the cheapest one you can buy will usually fill that criteria. If not, then the second cheapest will.
Robert Davis
The cheapest and second cheapest I have available both have fans and do not go to sleep if the monitor is off so no so much...
Henry Cruz
you might want to get an Nvidia card >Stutter may be experienced when Radeon FreeSync is enabled on 240hz refresh displays with Radeon RX 5700 series graphics products. amd.com/en/support/kb/release-notes/rn-rad-win-19-9-1
Chase Gomez
Strange. These are the cheapest on a local shop where I am. You could try one of them. All passively cooled.
MSI/Palit GT 710 A Sapphire R5 230 And an MSI GT 1030
That last one is quite expensive, so I wouldn't bother.
>and do not go to sleep if the monitor is off ?
Noah Rogers
>nuke my ubuntu partition >try to install win 7 on it so i can test the GPUs >turns out i downloaded and install win 10 pro kill me
Joseph Nguyen
how can you be this dumb?
Joseph Hughes
Have they resolved the freesync flickering issue with a lot of monitors?
I've only now caught wind about it, and I have a freesync monitor waiting in my closet until my other parts arrive here.
Chase Lewis
how can you mix em up? doesnt w10 have a different installation gui? unless you did a headless one, but then that's just retarded
i was working automatically without paying attention at least i got win 10 pro now for later use
David Hernandez
microsoft has your data now
Grayson Jones
>now
Dylan Perez
>sleep if the monitor is off It's a feature I know some AMD cards have where they shut all the way off and draw no power when the detect the monitor is turned off.
Dylan Foster
That's just a driver thing, right? Thanks for the heads-up though.
For Hp Elitebook 8570w with Quadro K1000M. Good idea?
Angel Anderson
So how long do we wait faggot? Until the next mining apocalypse or w/e, so the prices can go up even higher? Thinking that GPUs are gonna go down in price is just delusional at this point.
Landon Morris
Is 750W overkill for a 3700x and big navi?
Aiden Robinson
>amd card can't into freesync even though this is what they're designed for th-thanks amd
Jordan Sanders
3600+3600-3800mhz manually tuned ram +5700XT But 9900K+2080ti+4000MHz + ram would be faster tho
Henry Parker
yes 550 is good 650 gives more breathing room for future upgrades
metalfish s3 case mini itx B450 motherboard or similar R5 3600 item.jd.com/55394854201.html dual fan mini 2060 super - anywhere I can get this cheaper in China?
I'm going to use it for machine learning
Anthony Smith
Some would say yes in paranoid so I would say no. And going lower isn't even cost effective atleast in eu. So literally no point buying lower watts.
Parker Ramirez
how about wait for 5600/5800/5900 or whatever comes next by Q1 2020? there's never a perfect time to buy every pc part at once - right now buying a CPU and RAM is a pretty good deal, while buying a GPU is simply suboptimal, l2deal
Isaiah Jones
What's the best size of CPU puller wrench?
Easton Baker
>there's never a perfect time to buy every pc part at once Tfw need to upgrade literally every part next upgrade at the same time including monitor Tfw it's hell because of this Reason I'm waiting forever
Christopher Wright
Same where I am. We are talking less than 10 buck saving.
Is there any downside of having more watts even if I don't use them?
Bentley Nguyen
I just ordered everything except for GPU because prices and because 5700 XT AiBs in stock never ever I'll use my old GPU until I get a decent deal, maybe you could do the same?
Blake Turner
I read on Jow Forums that PSU are most efficient at 50% output, make of that what you will.
Luis Baker
it's maybe technically true, but it's more like 90% efficient at 50% and 88% efficient at 80% with a huge drop at 90% to like 70%
so between 50%-80% there's like no difference and you should just buy a 95% efficient PSU and run it at 80% giving you like 93% instead
let me expand on that, I mean if your actual power draw is 500 watts from the socket you are best off buying the most efficient 600 watt PSU
since the 750 watt PSU that's the same efficiency will be more expensive
Kayden Foster
i get that, it's just that right now it seems that the difference between a 600W and 700W PSU is negligible, while the difference between an 80+ bronze and 80+ gold isn't
Anthony Price
so you again tomorrow
Thomas Martinez
>90% efficient at 50% and 88% efficient at 80% with a huge drop at 90% to like 70%
What are you talking about? Average PSU will be within a few percentages after it reaches peak efficiency up to it's maximum wattage and beyond. Here is the typical efficiency curve of a PSU.
>95% efficient PSU and run it at 80% giving you like 93% instead
The fuck does this even mean? >just buy a titanium PSU bro
Like chart here shows Psus already are efficient as fuck across the entire range so no Only bonus u get buying a higher watt if it's semi passive is that the fan will turn on less often during load or even at all if u buy a large enough one
Camden Russell
It won't make a difference at all, just get whatever satisfies your OCD. Any gold PSU you can buy will reach between 2% of their peak efficiency from around 150W all the way to it's maximum.
Thomas Reyes
>ATTENTION: Graphics card prices are excessive by historical standards; therefore, consumers should delay or completely forgo any midrange to high end graphics card purchases. The gouging has two root causes: lack of market competition and shortage/"new normal" pricing during the mining hayday. absolutely based
Aiden Thompson
the new threadrippers have like 250 tdp, compared to the supposed 100 tdp of the 3950x
how much would I realistically notice an extra 100w of heat in a room?
Logan Richardson
depends on the PSU, just buy a good one not necessarily the biggest one
Just buy Nvidia you dumb man children. They have plenty of stock
Thomas Carter
anyone know good motherboards with a removable BIOS? I don't care about chipset or size right now, I'll decide what I want later depending on the CPU (because I haven't chosen one yet) and other stuff. Speaking of the CPU, anyone know anything cheap and fast? anything faster than an i7 8th gen is good enough for me.
Charles Fisher
Get a hammer
Elijah Barnes
>just buy it
Dylan Kelly
>removable BIOS for what purpose would you desire such a thing
Ryder Cook
so I can more easily flash it
Jaxson Martin
Viewsonic XG2401 vs APC G2590FX? I need the 144hz, I don't mind TN. I'm a third worlder, importing and exporting hurts the wallet so I want whichever is most reliable (so that I won't have to return it). Any suggestions on which I should go with?
Angel King
retard
Benjamin Smith
yeah because nobody wants to buy their overpriced cards
is a Ryzen 5 2600 going to bottleneck an RTX 2060?
Jackson Stewart
no way
Easton Mitchell
yes wait™ for the 3950X at least
Noah Roberts
please help out a literal boomer by answering some questions. I'm looking to replace my >Intel Core2Quad Q6600 @ Stock clocks under stock cooler. >4x2GB of DDR2-800MHz >BFG 8800GTX Ultra >Single 320GB 5,400RPM hard drive >1280x720p LCD monitor
Are SSDs considered a mature technology now? As in I can rely on them for everyday use? Or are 10k WD Raptors or 15k Seagate Cheetah SAS drives still the best drives for performance?
Is Intel still leading the pack in regards of performance? As I mentioned I'm just a boomer looking to play the new DOOM coming out and some other older games I missed out on playing. I don't do any sort of major editing or productivity work.
I'm looking to get a PC solely for gaming that will last me a long while and won't require overclocking, undervolting, BIOS flashing, etc just to perform. I work enough as it is to have to deal with an unstable system.
depends on the game, there are always cpu bottleneck games like dwarf fortress or something
but for the most part, the games that are cpu bottlenecked you will have good enough performance on anyways
depends a lot on the resolution too. if you're gaming at 800x600 you're going to be cpu bottlenecked a lot. at 8k not as often.
Easton Sanders
tdp doesnt exactly translate to heat 1:1 so dont expect to get a perfect 100W increase
to answer this: depends largely on the quality of your cooling solution also whether or not youre going to run it oc'd at 100% usage like a fucking madman
consider this: if you set up your cooler well (you didn't install it like a mongoloid losing most of it's cooling ability did you?) that's fairly efficient and you use the cpu like a human being you probably will feel it only when it heats up, otherwise it's probably neglible
on the other hand, if you have a shit cooler and you set it up like a retard and you run it hot it's probably gonna burn out quick so great job retard, buy a new cpu soon
and lastly, if you have a great cooler and you run it at 90 deg centigrade then you got yourself an electric heater, great if you live in a fridge
Lincoln Miller
>depends largely on the quality of your cooling solution Does it? Heat stays in the room the same way even if a cooler moves it more quickly away from the CPU.
Nathan Richardson
SSDs are great now. yes they are mature. build a 3600 or 9400f machine.
boomer-user here. What's wrong with the 9400f? I'm going to be operating on Microcenter pricing and they have the 9400f for $130 vs $200 for the AMD 3600.
Jackson Brooks
So you agree with what I just said, because it's a fundamental law of thermodynamics.
Blake Price
it's basically a meme processor. get the 3600. not only is it a much faster part, it's much more performance per dollar and is built on a much better platform. runs cooler, gives a better upgrade path because of the am4 socket, and gives you a ton of flexibility and performance.
Kevin Jenkins
>Are SSDs considered a mature technology now? Yes >As in I can rely on them for everyday use? Yes >Or are 10k WD Raptors or 15k Seagate Cheetah SAS drives still the best drives for performance? No >Is Intel still leading the pack in regards of performance? No >no BIOS flashing It's extremely easy: youtube.com/watch?v=iTkXunUAriE but if you insist, make sure you get an X570 because only those support Zen 2 out of the box. >Microcenter Actually they will probably flash the BIOS for you (or so I've heard) Personally, I got an X570 Steel Legend WiFi ax and stuck ECC RAM in it so memory issues are a thing of the past. I don't know why everybody doesn't do this. RAM timings mean absolutely fuck all.
Grayson Hernandez
I hope you only use your PC for internet browsing, youtube and document work because gaming, content creation, or any cpu intensive activity will fucking crash the 9400f and brick your motherboard.
Adrian Green
>This AMD shill fud
Gabriel Cooper
I have a $2500 budget I'm willing to spend on a new build and monitor. If it can REALLY be justified, I'm willing to spend $3000. However it would have to really be worth the money. My big thing is a monitor. This current one has horrible backlight bleed and gives me a headache/eye ache when I use it too much. Also there's something now called "adaptive-sync"? It's like V-sync I suppose?
Also I forgot to ask, am I supposed to buy AMD or Nvidia?
Jonathan Kelly
are you a fucking plant? do you really think that all it takes is stick any kind of rad+fan on a warm surface and it's going to perfectly cool itself think hard god i wish this board was sci
Isaiah Jackson
Is it worth it to buy a Tomahawk Max or should I buy an A-Pro Max for 25 euros less? To use with a 3600
Levi Anderson
That user asked about the effect of the heat on the entire room. I suggest you re-do primary school.
Jordan Taylor
>will fucking crash the 9400f and brick your motherboard. I may not be on the up and up with current hardware. But I highly doubt this is a thing. thanks for the info user. In regards to BIOS flashing, I was talking more about the GPU for unlocking voltage and turning off thermal thresholds etc. I don't think this is a thing really any more. >ECC RAM/timings From what I'm reading, timings actively give AMD's new hardware performance boosts no?
Aaron Hernandez
at that budget you should be looking at the 3700x or the 9700k. they both have advantages and disadvantages. the 3700x is overall a better processor, but the 9700k will give slightly better fps in games.
>AMD or Nvidia basically depends on how high you go. at the high end you can only choose nvidia. at the low and "medium" end you have a choice, that will depend largely on what you're trying to do.
nvidia is the safest recommendation, but you pay a premium to use them. we can figure out what exactly you're looking for if you talk about your monitor resolution/hz and also what kind of gaming you want to do.
Thomas Lopez
what problems?
Lucas Cruz
>Have they resolved the freesync flickering issue with a lot of monitors? not that I know of
Benjamin Kelly
>we can figure out what exactly you're looking for if you talk about your monitor resolution/hz and also what kind of gaming you want to do. Current specs are >Intel Core2Quad Q6600 @ Stock clocks under stock cooler. >4x2GB of DDR2-800MHz >BFG 8800GTX Ultra >Single 320GB 5,400RPM hard drive >1280x720p LCD monitor What I'm looking to do >Game at 1440p (1080p seems to be the older option and 4K is too hardware intensive it seems) >Ultra settings @ 120fps or more (current monitor is 60HZ, apparently 144HZ is like the standard now)
Oh, you're almost there. 100W of heat into a room is 100W. It has nothing to do with how quickly the CPU cooler spreads it. I suggest you post this on /sci/ and get laughed at.
Jaxson Walker
watch a youtube video demonstrating freesync
Jackson Johnson
ultra settings 1440p 120hz is not doable even the best hardware can't reach that
realistically you're probably looking at the 3700x + either the 2070 super, the 2060 super, or the 5700 xt, which is a really common build and sort of the all arounder
adaptive sync is mostly worth it, as a boomer you should have enough money to get it so I'd say you should
David Rodriguez
well shit so it's basically reverse v-sync. Instead of the monitor capping the GPU to a set HZ/level of performance resulting in input lag or tearing, the monitor goes up and to match the card. That's slick.
Thus far I'm hearing >adaptive-sync is worth it >9700k is best gaming CPU/3700X is decent gaming CPU but far better for productivity (worthless to me) >Nvidia + G-sync is the price premium model but works great (luxury tax) >AMD + Freesync works similarly but with a few minor issues
This sound about right? My last question are the monitors that I'm seeing that say "freesync/G-sync compatible". I'm assuming this means the monitor's adaptive sync will work with any AMD/Nvidia?
Jack Collins
Is there anywhere to get just the 3600 chipset? I wanted to get an aftermarket cooler anyways
Jason Carter
>3700x + either the 2070 super, the 2060 super, or the 5700 xt, Looking it shows AMD has the Radeon VII as their top 7nm card and Nvidia has the 2080Ti as their top consumer GPU. Any reason why you're not recommending those? Price aside of course. Is there something wrong with them? I don't mind spending good cash if it means the performance return is there.
Evan Barnes
no, AMD includes cpu coolers in all of their consumer products. its free and its a backup cooler.
Easton King
dont get the radeon VII, its already EOL. the 2080TI is good, but way overpriced for the additional performance you will get
Elijah Collins
those cards are bad value and you haven't given the impression that you're chasing a high end build at all. the 2080 ti is the current best gpu but you are wasting a lot of money buying that
>9700k is best gaming CPU/3700X is decent gaming CPU but far better for productivity (worthless to me) they're nearly identical for gaming, and the 3700x has several other benefits. in a test bench situation where you are only running a game you won't notice the extra multi-threaded performance, but in any real world use you are going to regularly get benefits from the 3700x due to not running a single application only. you also have a much better socket, the ability to upgrade later, and a better overall platform
Liam Gutierrez
2080TI would be a choice for people to cheap to get a quadro
Liam Wood
What is the max Nvidia card you'd recommend then? Or is the 5700XT good? The monitor I was looking at was $500 and it feels odd to spend more on my monitor than on my graphics card. > you haven't given the impression that you're chasing a high end build at all I mentioned ITT that I have a $2500 to $3000 budget. Is this amount not considered high end? Maybe I was talking to a different user, if so I apologize. >3700X better overall platform Then I'll definitely have to take a look. I also see the new AMD stuff has PCIe 4.0 standard. That's nifty. It feels odd to say but I might buy AMD this time around as it seems it will age better and if you couldn't tell by my existing Q6600, I keep my hardware for a long while.
Oliver Wilson
>>AMD + Freesync works similarly but with a few minor issues For instance my monitor has a 48-144hz freesync range and low framerate compensation. But only has freesync in fullscreen mode and has very noticable flicker any time the the fps goes below 48fps mark, even a single frame being renderded slower than that, causes a noticable flicker. Or if I alt+tab out in and out of a game a lot it can fuck my monitor settings and set it to 60HZ, and the only fix to that is to restart the computer. So in certain games I rather have micro tearing in the corner of the screen, than have constant noticable whole screen flickering.
Jason Butler
>I mentioned ITT that I have a $2500 to $3000 budget. Is this amount not considered high end? when you include the monitor this is not really high end these days
Jackson Walker
>3 grand isnt high end is SGI making workstations again?
Mason Kelly
Goodness times have changed damn. OK then. I'll get to building a list then.
James Collins
if you actually want to just try and max out you are looking at the 9900KS (coming soon), threadripper 3 (coming soon), or the 3950x (coming soon) or the 9900k or 3900x if you're willing to compromise
