An OS is needed to install another OS (a USB or CD OS installer is an OS itself, even if it only does one job)

>an OS is needed to install another OS (a USB or CD OS installer is an OS itself, even if it only does one job)
So how was the first OS creates, before there was any other OS to make the OS on? Did someone just take a magnet and manually put the OS on a disk?

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An installer is by definition not an OS.

yes, this is the story of magneto

I understand this. But an installer cannot run without an OS

I understand that dd or USB imaging tools are not OSes, but they always require an OS to run

And an installer cannot boot without an OS

punch cards
switches
paper tape
...

>computer hardware is created by computers

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when did you realize that we are all living in an simulation? today?

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The first “modern” computer ran off handcoded binary.

It's built upon the last generation of software/hardware. It's like how over time we have developed more and more precise machines, if you look at a single slice in history you will just end up confused

Bare-metal with programs loaded directly into memory or read from ROM.

If a tree comes from a seed that grew on another tree, then where did the first tree come from?

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C++ compilers are written in c++

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An installer does not need an OS. Imaging tools do not need an OS. Fucking hell, even your shitty BIOS firmware can read from and store to USBs these days.

Read the Art of Programming books by Knuth and you'll know how they ran the earliest systems as he has you writing programs to control everything manually. This was all done on tape drives and punch cards so in essence, a program was still req to install a program though Turing also req a program to run a program.

If we get hit by an EMP would we have to bootstrap the capability to reproduce integrated circuits from 1950s era tech?

Memes aside, I legitimately want to know how would someone compile a gnu/linux distro with only the source code and nothing else.

>Memes aside, I legitimately want to know how would someone compile a gnu/linux distro with only the source code and nothing else.
they cant. because to do so relies on existing technology that has steadily grown into something so much larger and complex than it was originally, it's a feedbakc loop where you continuously get more and more difficult things accomplished through the previous iteration's frameworks

no computer?

Exactly how Knuth, Stallman and Linus did it back in the day, or Ritchie. You use another system to write the new system, boot the new system on bare hardware and go from there.

Knuth as I wrote literally has entire books about this. Write a compiler in the host machine's language that targets the hardware, which will output your new program/kernel. Reboot with your own software.

Also, Knuth did not use operating systems. He wrote systems that used the bare hardware in that machine's assembly code and then booted them but back then they didn't have an OS, they just ran a single program.

In the beginning there were range table calculators... Eventually this progressed to punch cards, then vacuum tubes, then microprocessors (modern computers) came along, and with them came magnetic tapes. These were what the first operating systems, programming languages, compilers, etc were stored on. Then we got mechanical hard drives, floppies, CDs, and all the other shit after that. The first operating systems were programmed from scratch by hand in new languages and then all that shit was copied and distributed on tapes basically.

This.

bumping this. if every electronic device on Earth got fried how would we start recreating it all?

>YFW God’s next culling of humanity and destruction of the modern tower of Babel is an immense solar flare that fries everything with EM radiation.

Nice try, still not reading your books ;)

most shit wouldnt be affected. literally blown way out of proportion to actual damages which would be significant but small, nothing close to world ending.

Ok, so take out the EM Wave bullshit and answer the real question: every electronic device on Earth vanishes into the ether, how do we recreate things?

>dr stoneman

it came from the chicken, idiot.

Magnetic tape and shit.