Is LInux supposed to feel extremely frustrating?

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Need? I find it fun, that's reason enough for me. You don't have a reason to use it then don't, simple as that.
And stop shitting up fglt as an addendum.

You don't feel or see Linux. Linux allocates the machine resources to the system that you run in the background.

no. i think you are just stupid.

You probably mean GNU/Linux (often erroneously referred to as Linux).

if you find it frustrating, it’s either not for you or you are using a distro that is getting in your way. ask yourself how capable you are of learning how to use computer programs, how much patience you have, how willing you are to read and have understanding. most people don’t have any of these things, which is why it’s left to people on the spectrum and professionals

na, you're just frustrated because you think you knew computers, but now you find linux doesn't act the way you're used to

>Is LInux supposed to feel extremely frustrating?
What is your problem with it?

It normal to use.

I'll admit it while I absolutely love nixos it is insanely frustrating at times to understand

>Been using it for a bit and I honestly do find it extremely frustrating
The fuck are you doing user?
>How come I can’t just downloaded rar/zip files and extract them all into one folder like windows?
Right click on the file in Linux mint you literally have a extract here option.
>Why are files spread all around in a bunch of different obtuse folders?
What are you even talking about? System files? Why are you even looking at them or wanting to change them?
>Why does it feel like I can never just download stuff directly
The fuck?
Simply use FF or chromium (if you like google chrome) and you literally can download the same like on the same browsers in windows.
The fuck are you on now?

You literally can download every picture and movie file in existence normally on linux.

>Why is it so hard to simply find the executable files?
No idea what you are asking about.
.EXE are windows specific files so they don't really work in linux however wine can give you compatibility with .EXE installers.

There is a strange collection of ways to run or install programs however most of the time simply use the package manager of your OS.

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>The file organization system on windows seems far more logical and intuitive.
no idea what you are talking about.
Windows configuration files?
There are like 6 ways windows will store them in its own bizarre way depending on what the devs of the program intended.

The structure of system folders?
1) Why are you in system folders and what are you doing there?
2) You can organize your files however you want in your home directory.

>insanely frustrating at times to understand
In what way? Some examples of facts.

But what if you don’t want to install shit? Some people just want to download packages files to extract and unload all the stuff in one folder. The installer applications on Linux themselves make things more confusing than they have to be. Not to mention it doesn’t even tell you WHERE it’s instantly the program to or what location.

For the longest time I've been trying to mix stable and unstable channels in the nixos config
I looked around for it in the manuals and nothing
I asked around in the irc and nothing
So i assumed it can only access the channel name "nixos"
Turns out i had to do
nixpkgs.config = {
packageOverrides = pkgs: {
nixos-stable-channel = import {};
};
};
just so i can prefix that to package names
it's just not very intuitive and the docs are kinda scarce

Android is a Linux system, think of it like that. You don't download, you install. Like the playstore.
Do Linux how it wants to be done and it's not frustrating or hard.

>Not to mention it doesn’t even tell you WHERE it’s instantly the program to or what location.
can you write in English to me? I can not decode this.
Its on the level of "I accidentally computer".

>But what if you don’t want to install shit?
WHAT THE FUCK!
Are you talking about program installation something that has its own strange way in linux or are you talking about NOT-PROGRAM-FILES like movies, pictures, music. Because there is no problem with NON-EXECUTABLE files in linux.

>Some people just want to download packages files to extract and unload all the stuff in one folder
What stuff? You literally are using "I accidentally folder" language to me.

What are these files you want? Movies, pictures???

With Linux your computer becomes your tool and your friend. Linux will listen to you. Windows is going to argue with you over how to do things, and do things without asking, or even things you specifially told it not to do. Windows is not your friend. Windows is a roommate. A stranger you found on Craig's List.

>The file organization system on windows seems far more logical and intuitive.
Couldn't disagree more. The Windows filing system is a disaster. I know exactly where everything is, and why it is where it is in Linux.
And, most importantly, I can change it if I want to.

I’m talking about programs that come in a zip file with the executable and all the files needed within. Stuff like emulators, notepad++, game engine recreations, retroarch, those sorts of things. On windows you don’t have to install this shit you just extract the zip and it’s all in one folder. It’s very easy to see all the files and configs and drag a file onto the application if needed. Meanwhile on Linux a lot of this type of thing feels overly complicated for no good reason

Yes, I felt very frustrated indeed when they adopted CoC.

>mix stable and unstable channels in the nixos
Of programs? Because package management shit can be strange. No idea how this can be better on windows where you can do nothing other then let windows surprise rape you with the random update and force you to suck its cock and obey it.
youtube.com/watch?v=sxXs0Yy5-0Y

> can prefix that to package names
What exactly are you doing and how is this better on windows?

This is user error. I don't understand how you're having this problem. I've never had an issue downloading and opening zip files. You can literally do it exactly like windows: right click the mouse, download. File manager, right click, open with unzip. Open into folder in same directory. All nice and tidy. What's the problem?

Let me sing you the joys of windows games saving in 6 different places depending on what time the devs made the game and what MSs new and improved way of doing things was at the time.

>Game folder
>Registry
>User "home" folder
>"My documents"

And are there not 3 different like "home" folders in windows that MS decided to to change for no reason whatsoever?

Lets not forget the joys of
Program Files VS Program Files (x86)

>on Linux a lot of this type of thing feels overly complicated for no good reason
One good reason is it's impossible to get a malware infection from random downloads. You're going to have to install the malware yourself. Stay away from Chrom extensions and it's nigh impossible to get an infection.

>I’m talking about programs that come in a zip file with the executable and all the files needed within. Stuff like emulators, notepad++, game engine recreations, retroarch, those sorts of things

Use the package manager its the app store looking thing where everything is for free to use. Click the install button when you select what you want to install.

>On windows you don’t have to install this shit you just extract the zip
On another subject look into .appimagge files and tell me how difficult it is to use them
Take this and see if you can start it
files.kde.org/kdenlive/release/Kdenlive-16.12.2-x86_64.AppImage

By any chance are you trying to use widows executables in linux? Because this is a recipe for disappointment. Win .EXE are not some universal standard like movies or pictures.

>drag a file onto the application
i need to look not it when I'm on my linux box. What are you actually trying to use? Give me the exact zip and/or files

Oh, I fucking know all about it.
My kids will never use Windows at home. I'm raising Linux snobs all day, and I'm teaching them to type in Vim. It's all they're going to know.
In ten years they'll be the ones on here posting about how fucking difficult Windows is because you can't customize it, and what a piece of shit file system they use because you never know where things are, and how lazy and stupid it is to trade all that in exchange for "muh, do it for me. I don't get it."

Personally if you ignore and let system files alone.
There is no difference between windows and linux.
no idea what the user means by folder layout and file layout.

He sounds like linux is using one of the files systems from homestuck.

TL;DR
it forces you to enter or remove based on FIFO or LIFO
See
homestuck.com/story/10
homestuck.com/story/15

mspaintadventures.fandom.com/wiki/Sylladex

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But why do you need to use a package manager and install the stuff, where it then installs to folders where it doesn’t tell you the exact location? Why have to go through a middleman like that, when on windows you just install directly from the internet and extract it yourself into a folder of your choosing. I don’t think anything should have to be installsed through a package manager. If I need to install something i would rather just download the installation file to where I want and then set the install folder

I’m obviously more used to windows but it seems to me like Linux just adds these annoying steps where you can’t immediately see where the contents are going

Setting up a DOS retro PC properly is much harder than using almost any linux distro.

Are you pretending that most windows users don't simply run installers and use the default installation directory?
Package managers are for the same reason.

>doesn’t tell you the exact location
Location is in the documentation also it needs to do this to interact with the rest of the system.
For example same for windows and linux if you want your libre office to automatically open your .ODT files or you want your music player to automatically open your .PM3s it needs to insert hooks into the OS in different places letting other publications know that it exists.

Don't get me wrong i like portable applications however dragging and drooping MP3s every time will be annoying so system hooks solve this. And its the same on windows and linux.

>I’m obviously more used to windows
Don't pretend that MS is not trying to force their installation way to be the only way to run programs.

>I don’t think anything should have to be installsed through a package manager
I have my own complains about package managers however you can use appimage files I gave you a link download it and run it.

Why are you not trying out the appimage?
Its a video editing program FYI.

files.kde.org/kdenlive/release/Kdenlive-16.12.2-x86_64.AppImage

I'll make it simple for you.
When a program gets installed, it's main executable normally goes to the 'bin' (if is system wide) folder in your root drive or to 'usr' (if installs per user), needed libraries goes in the 'lib' and 'lib64', the rest of the files like icons and what not go into 'etc', the rest of the folders are for the system or mounted devices, and user configurations and non critical files are in your user home folder they are normally hidden but you can see them with ctrl+h on most file managers, for example if you install minecraft all of it's files will be installed to your home directory in a hidden folder called '.minecraft' were you can find the configs and the created saves.
Also executables in linux doesn't normally have file formats unless it's made on python (.py), java (.jar) or another scripting language, but you can have portable software like windows, it's just not the popular choice because it can have compatibility problems

I appreciate the response and will try that out when I get home. I guess I just like how on windows you can set the install folder and can just easily see it right up front, as opposed to on Linux where you have to dig through documentation. That doesn’t seem very intuitive.

And installing on windows doesnt feel like a central app. Like if you install something like notepad+ it brings up its own installer

But in general yes I prefer to just download the zip file and set the folder myself and not install some location like program files. I think a lot of people like doing it that way. I like opening up file explorer and just seeing all the folders exactly how I want them and know where everything is

>normally goes to the 'bin' (if is system wide) folder in your root drive or to 'usr' (if installs per user), needed libraries goes in the 'lib' and 'lib64', the rest of the files like icons and what not go into 'etc', the rest of the folders are for the system or mounted devices, and user configurations and non critical files are in your user home folder they are normally hidden but you can see them with ctrl+h on most file managers, for example if you install minecraft all of it's files will be installed to your home directory in a hidden folder called '.minecraft' were you can find the configs and the created saves.
That is very helpful information, that does help me to sort of understand it in a more simple way. Thanks. It’s just a different way of organizing files I guess, where things are organized by file type and not the overall program

No
It work just fine, people install Linux tend to be dumb freetards so they got into a lot of trouble by tinkering too much stuff without basic knowledge.

Yes, is made this way to be more efficient when working with the file system and also prevents the retardation of having repeated libraries which bloat the OS like in windows were every time you install a program it installs more libraries in it's own folder even if they are already available in the system.
Tips, to make a hidden folder you just add a dot in front of the name but beware that the visibility of folders is stays as you left it, so if you want to leave them hidden you have to toggle it off

it's not better on windows and I never said that
I love nixos to death, I just said it's frustrating at times. This setup while it was hard to get is insanely stable

What distro requires the least usage of the command line

>doesnt feel like a central app
Say hello to windows store and see how long the old way lasts.
>it brings up its own installer
Under linux download Jdownloder for linux and you have the same procedure.
jdownloader.org/download/index
WARNING remember to make this thing executable or it will never start.

Personally I can understand the obsession over installers and choosing their placement however on linux there is a mixture of solutions. Package managers have their problems however I don't see them installing only in their default place every time as a drawback, clicking next, next, next is a waist of time and I don't see why the directory of installation is so important to you.

There are other problems of package managers like them requiring internet connection to work and this drives me up the wall. Unless you want to have a repository clone taking up 200+ GiB. Another infuriating subject.

> I think a lot of people like doing it that way.
I also do it a lot check out the appimage its literally 1 file that after clicking will start the program it contains.
>I like opening up file explorer and just seeing all the folders exactly how I want them and know where everything is
Use shortcuts to programs. In linux mint you have a start menu where you can pin all installed programs.

>I like opening up file explorer and just seeing all the folders exactly
Are you doing the same for your music player?
How do you manage the association between MP3s and this player? if you run stuff portably?

>I appreciate the response
No problem, linux can be a frustrating world sometimes and we are not here to burn newbies.
We are all obsessed over the GPL and FOSS because its freedom while proprietary software is slavery something you can see in win10.

Linux mint.

Ubuntu probably.

But it's very dumb to chose a distro based on the likelihood of having to use the terminal.
The terminal is an amazing tool to learn, and I couldn't live without it.
Ignoring the terminal is ignorant and will make linux more complicated.

>Ubuntu probably.
Don't use ubuntu its full of spyware and botnet its the win10 of the linuxes.

>Don't use ubuntu its full of spyware and botnet its the win10 of the linuxes.
Which is why it's the most normie friendly. If you don't want to use the command line, then that takes software, and the people writing it need to get paid to stay motivated. If you need someone to wipe your ass for you, you should expect them to take a picture of your ass and load it into their database. To expect otherwise is willful ingnorance.

>Which is why it's the most normie friendly.
Linux mint is the same only no spyware. Now go away Ubuntu-shill, canonical will not pay you to shill here.