Alright Jow Forums, settle this once and for all. Which GPU is the superior purchase? 5700xt or 2060 Super

Nvidia doesn't have that either. They have 2-3 spp ray tracing (real ray tracing is 100k-1 million spp) with a shitty AI denoiser and if you want to get 40-60 fps at fucking 1080p an rtx 2080ti is the bare minimum.

>I get 1080p performance at 1440p, by just pretending I'm playing at 1440p!

Amazing, why don't I just pretend I'm playing at 4k?

>The 2060 Super is better cause less people want it?
More like AMD just can't be bothered to produce the cards. But yeah, from the consumer point of view, if you need to purchase a card right now, 2060S is the sensible option

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One feature is not an argument.
I for example never downsample, always supersample, it's a irrelevant feature for me.

The real question is 5700xt or 2070s.

this, at least one of the cards can actually be bought

5800XT when?

5700 xt, its not even a contest

thats not a real question, the question is do you want to spend $100 more for rtx beta test and equal performance. and the asnwer is no.

Never buy amd GPUs.

>those metal panels at the bottom
HOLY FUCK Nvidia what are you doing
The RIS actually looks pretty decent but still no comparison for actual native 4K

It's a shame companies are gonna start pretending that generated pixels are real pixels
"WOAH LOOK, OUR 4K PERFORMS SO MUCH BETTER NOW"
when it's not actually 4K
That's like owning a civic but putting a plastic ferrari body on the top

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Everything about this post is completely false. There is no "real raytracing" it's entirely parametric, ie up to the user to configure it the sampling and passes.

And nvidia doesnt use AI for any denoising outside of their professional visual processing APIs for CUDA. All games with dxr/rtx use a generic temporal denoising filter because they're device agnostic implementations of raytracing calling the DX12 DXR API extension. I'm not surprised to see an amdrone lying but it's getting bolder every day because people gave them some leeway for their nonsense

Vega 56 with Samsung memory

i'd easily have gotten a 5700XT if i hadnt fallen for the stupid gsync meme back then.
fuck me.

amd = iphone

why would you want amd?

Real ray tracing is when you compute enough ray paths to get a clear image WITHOUT denoisers. This is why RTX reflections look like dogshit. Pic related.

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2060 Super of course, only a moron would buy Radeon, when they still haven't fixed the drivers. 5700 would get a few more FPS in modern games but old games outright don't work on AMD, neither does emulation.
Not to mention lack of ray tracing, which is getting adopted now. (look at the Far Cry 5 update)

Also unless you further butcher the already dogshit quality reflections RTX punks out on ultra settings you NEED a 2080ti to just BARELY get 40-60 FPS at 1080p.

>$1,000+ for gay tracing at 40 FPS at 1080p
Sounds like a really fucking retarded deal desu senpai

Also see
4K display are like what, $200 now?

resolution > higher than 60-90 FPS

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Until RTX gen 2 comes out, with at least a 30% uplift, RX5700XT is the smarter choice here.

RIS works with nvidia cards you fucking retard

actually it's 1 spp

This and the 2060 Super is 5-10% slower. What kind of dumb fuck pays more for lower FPS?

GTX 1063/RX 584 is still the best ever

In 1 year time at least
The 5700 and 5700xt are clearly not profitable to AMD due to the last hour price cut improvisation

yea. i use amd fluid motion video to hardware accelerate interpolate my chinese cartoons to 60fps.
no such things on on nvidia.
so i'm stuck on amd and i watch more chink cartoons than gaymes.
no, i'm not gonna use the alternative. that uses cpu power.

Except the port isn't as high quality and there's a significant 10-20% performance hit when using it. Navi's HW based RIS uses high quality luma and chroma scalers AFTER CAS has been applied IIRC which nvidia can't do.

It comes close but when you're trying to get 1080p FPS at 1440p that significant quality loss and 10-20% lower FPS really hampers the experience. That said it would be nice if nvidia included a global HW CAS filter in their next batch of GPUs and ditched the gay tracing so AMD would become competitive again.

>yea. i use amd fluid motion video to hardware accelerate interpolate my chinese cartoons to 60fps.
Holy shit, that looks smoother than manually interpolating the frames through sony vegas even with live action movies. How the fuck did AMD do that?

You wait until 2020 when Intel releases their GPUs ala Raja/Keller and then pick whatever is best performance / price.

>keller
You need to wait at least another 2 years for any of his designs to come live

The 5700xt is faster. (when it works properly)

But the RTX 2060 Super has the support of nvidia so its the way its meant to be played.

The entire new Xe revamp is Raja/Keller's work.

Yikes

Why is nvidia such complete dogshit when you use low level APIs like DX12 anyway? I thought they put full hw async compute in turing already or was that just another pr stunt by them to try to sell the gaytracing nobody asked for?

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from what i read Xe is going to target datacentrers first so it won't have any affect on the GPU market for normal people.

1080Ti

They only have like what, 10X the R&D budget of AMD?

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The $400 5700XT is a far better deal in regards to price:performance. RTX2060S is the same price for less performance however
>5700XT
+near 2070S levels of performance
+AMD FineWine
-runs hot/loud if you get reference
-stock of all the good cooled cards is low/always out of stock
-drivers are iffy right now (FineWine)
-bit power hungry for the performance it offers
>RTX2060S
+good performance for 1080p144 gaming and moderate 1440p
+less power hungry
+due to less power, less heat, less noise
+stock isn't a problem
-not as good as the 5700XT even though they're the same price
-Ray tracing on any RTX card that isn't the 2080Ti is near worthless due to the performance impact
-price premium attached just because green company

So it comes down to are you willing to spam F5 on newegg/Amazon to see if stock of a good 5700XT model came back into stock? Are you willing to deal with the little bit of a waiting period for the drivers to mature to get the absolute most out of your card? Then the 5700XT/5700 is good for you.

Does the above seem retarded to you? Do you care that you're spending the same amount of money on a team green product with less performance? If not, go ahead and get a 2060S.

Unless it's like a $50> discount to get a reference card you would have to be pants on head retarded to get one

yea reference 5700XT's are shit but they're the only cards that are really in stock currently. It works for people like me who are running a custom loop though. I get a reference card from anywhere any time for MSRP, and my $150 worth of EK block and backplate for it.
>hurr $550 for a 5700XT, might as well have bought a 2070 Super!!
Other than that stupid argument though it's fine. But Powercolor/sapphire need to start cranking out more cards. I know some people who are buying Nvidia just because they're sick of waiting.

Didn't even think about water cooling. That actually makes a lot of sense.

yup that's why Founder's Edition Nvidia cards are still so popular. For instance you can get an FE 2080Ti for like $1070 and then block it up for a $130 block and a $30 backplate if you're feeling frisky. You now have a GPU that can boost as high as it wants and never break 50C. So I'm doing the same with the 5700XT. I'm hoping to get 2100MHz+ and not have card exceed 65C. I'm liquid cooling this 5700XT and an R7-3700X on a single 280mm radiator.