What kind of storage medium would Jow Forums suggest if one was to put a fair amount of important data (say one gigabyte) inside a time-capsule? >has to last a while (10, or 50 years, bonus points: till after civilization rebuilds due to an apocalypse) >highest possible chance (most of) the data can be extracted again SD card? CD/DVD? USB stick/drive? Cloud service account/link? something better?
I'd say a CD will probably die first, but it'll be easier to extract the data without the original hardware.
Should've added: it has to be available to common people at this time.
Jason Martinez
CDs will become obsolete in ten years or so. Best to use either an USB stick or external SSD. Bundle the SSD with an USB 3.0 adapter.
Ian Evans
just curious what do you think is worth saving until after civilization rebuilds? obviously this isn't about family photos, etc.
Owen Evans
Actually it is, but wanted to add a more interesting dilemma. Considering how stories from past sometimes get a whole new turn based on new dug up information, I wondered how a normal person could store his part of history for far far later if (s)he wanted to. Anyway, busy scraping a bunch of old IDE harddrive with something like pic related. Looking for a place to dump it all that won't let me down, but pretty much all things (sticks, disks) so far have at one point.
Why are people so fucking obsessed with "archival"
What "data" are you going to put on this
Nobody fucking cares
Samuel Wright
Simple. Nobody cares about your opinion either, yet there it is. Some would say their religious texts should be archived for eternity. They might get upset if you disagree. Anyway, it's actually part of my job right now. Many decisions done on governmental level should be archived indefinitely by law. I'm working on the systems that filters it all. Not that this question has anything to do with that, we use giant dataparks for that stuff. Not available to common folk.
Luke Bennett
So that they can see the documented proof that they will just deny and say you made up anyway
Liam Kelly
SD cards and USB sticks are the most stable, but I doubt they'll survive a solar flare or EMP without frying, HDDs as well.
Matthew Watson
Perhaps. Never hurts to try. Defeatism isn't much fun either.
Aaron Wright
Data degrades over time even if the medium is undamaged, just from being powered off. Best bet is using archival grade blue ray discs
Charles Martinez
Paper from 3,000 years ago is still readable. A flash drive will lose its data after 10 years of no power. A CD-RW from 5 years ago is likely to be corrupted. Think about that and act accordingly.
Charles Hughes
Lol no
Juan Jones
So far HDD's have proven most trustworthy strangely enough. Besides the outdated adapters even cheap drives that had been stored for 20 years still spun up without a problem and could be read and written to. It kinda surprised me actually. May have the best idea so far. Feels bad to use an SSD for archival though.
Jason Thompson
Tape.
Dominic Turner
Would run-of-the-mill printer paper be able to live that long too you think? That old parchment paper is surprisingly resilient.
>We must document. How much of a shit I am. So that future generations can /know/ >aliens hold up the golden disc from voyager >the truest, last joke that some super smart person played was, there isn't any of the shit they said there was, just fart jokes >"I'm and intelligent for ka-knowing everything will be super shit in advance so better start now"
Lincoln Foster
>nobody cares For most people, that might be true. But something tells me pic. related will trigger you.
>CDs will become obsolete in ten years or so people said that 15-20 years ago when DVD arrived. 2019: CD and DVD still mass produced in the millions. >use a USB stick and SSD for backups >a medium that's easily corruptable you really are a fucking idiot.
Colton Evans
M-Disc DVDs/blu-rays are the best for digital data that you want to archive. Their entire goal is to not break down over time, if stored in remotely proper conditions. It's going to be a loooooong time until there are no DVD drives left.
If you want to archive documents, microfiche/microfilm is the best. At my work we found a load of documents from the 50s through the 90s, and with a simple adapter from Amazon we are still able to read from them and make full-page reproductions. It's advantageous because it doesn't require any special technology to read. Realistically, printing things out on durable paper with non-biodegradable ink is going to be the best solution for a home user. Photos should be printed out too, at the highest resolution and largest format that is reasonable.
If you combine M disc, hard copies, and a yearly hard drive backup, you should be good in 99.99% of cases.
James Flores
Where the fuck are people using cd's though? I guess I do still burn one from time to time and use them occasionally but they are cd's I've bought like ten years ago and all I use them for is old and crappy hardware. I guess many shitholes still have pentium 4's with cd readers laying around though.
Brody Diaz
best reply
James Adams
You do NOT want to use flash memory for data archival. It's prone to bit flips and current leakage.
Since you probably don't have more than a few dozen gigs off those hard drives, M-Disc would be a good choice. You can also upload it to GDrive and it will probably be there until the nuclear apocalypse.
Angel Barnes
I still have a box of these. Bought it for archival purposes too once, but never used them. Can't find it on the box here, but I remember statements being made that they'd last 100 years. Didn't really believe it. Could've been another brand, but these were supposed to be just as good.
We use a ton of them in the military for secure one way file transfer. For example, if you want to transfer a file from the internet to a secure network, you burn the CD on the internet connected computer and then pop it in the secure computer. After you're done, shred the CD, since they're only a few cents. Even if the secure system has been infected with something, there won't be any way for data to flow out to the internet.
Easton Hill
Would honestly still be good for archiving documents, lossless compressed photos and FLAC music.
Aiden Green
The best data archival method is AWS Glacier. Not even exaggerating, it's already designed to withstand various apocalypses and last for thousands of years.
Josiah James
archival paper in a climate controlled vault
Jace Collins
Aesthetic
Jordan Roberts
blu-rays (real ones, none of that LTH shit) or m-discs just to be sure
Carter Morgan
Refrain yourself from posting on this board ever again. Dumbfuck.
Wyatt Nguyen
Sounds great for businesses, but for personal use cloud storage has the problem of "the account". If for whatever reason payment stops (death is a good reason, but being broke could be one too), the account+data is probably lost. And even then, the login credentials need to be archived too locally, otherwise it's lost forever anyway. Although keeping an account on a piece of paper is always an option.
Gavin Gutierrez
Cloud is a great secondary, since the best of the industry will be safekeeping your data. When would Google/Amazon actually *lose* someone's data? There is the risk of the company blowing up in spectacular fashion, in Enron/Nortel style, and you have to pay monthly, so it's not really a "set and forget" solution.
Hey retard, rather than being an adversarial faggot, could you actually contribute anything to the discussion? Something tells me you can't.
Elijah Ross
300+ 3.5" floppys
Carson Watson
I've never had to use a more untrustworthy media. I used to believe they'd be better than 5.25 floppies, because of the protective case, but they were not.
Andrew Wood
>Hey retard, rather than being an adversarial faggot, could you actually contribute anything to the discussion? >Something tells me you can't. I'm not the imbecile who said that a long therm archival method is paying Amazon some bucks. You missed the point completely because you are a mouth breather. "Paying people to archive something for you" is not an archival method, you fucking salamihead.
Gabriel Bailey
Those degrade like a motherfucker user.
Andrew Reyes
>What kind of storage medium Wrong way of looking at it What you want is redundancy Back your data up with as many mediums as you are willing to, with multiple copies per medium
Don't forget multiple locations as well, user. Floods, Fires and Acts of God & all that
Gavin Peterson
Long term*
Robert Wilson
Explain to me why Glacier would not be a long term archival method? It won't fulfill OP's time capsule idea, but generally speaking it's an excellent solution for 99% of cases.
Josiah Morgan
That's probably the best way to go at it. Three different types of media should do the trick safely enough for most things I'd think. That's even better. Would be overkill for storing some old recorded songs and childhood videos, but it'd be the way to go if you'd ever needed to store evidence of something important.
Charles Nguyen
>what's a method to climb this wall? >paying someone to climb it
That's a broken analogy. That's like saying "how do I back up my data", and then paying someone to back up THEIR data. A more accurate one would be "How do I climb this wall?" and then paying someone to lift you up.
The idea is to preserve your data, and that does the job.
Jace Russell
With prices like these it'd be a viable option if you could pay in advance. Drop a few bucks and you'd be set for 100 years.
Unironically paper. You could encode the data in base64, add crc32 check sums and print it out multiple times (do your research an ink and toner). Then all you have to think about is storing the paper in way it is not rotting away. Maybe if you laminate it? The good thing is you can use different options at the same time.
Hudson Ramirez
Imagine getting this worked up and angry over digital storage devices.
Josiah James
And that's how I lost the fappening back in the day
Robert Fisher
F
Jose Brooks
Laser engraving on the surface of the moon.
Bentley Bennett
And have the pajeets shit on it once they finally crashland their spacecontraption? no thanks.
Ian Rodriguez
Trap porn
Thomas Martinez
Look up bit rot. I've had old HDDs with several corrupt files.
Angel Cox
very nice >I used to believe they'd be better than 5.25 floppies, because of the protective case, but they were not. yeah, they were god damned fucking awful. i still have many 5.25 floppies from the start of the 1980s that still read 100% with no errors, could not say the same for my PC 3.5 disks or Amiga disks.
Tyler Myers
NSA, Google and other botnets already have all of your data and probably found a decent way to safely store it. Don't worry.
Thomas Baker
embed it into a meme so reddit will repost it over and over for the next century. May have some degradation over time.
