In a recently unsealed deposition a woman testified that, at the age of 17, Epstein told her to have sex with Marvin Minsky. Minsky was a co-founder of the MIT Media Lab and pioneer in A.I. who died in 2016. Stallman argued on a mailing list (in response to a statement from a protest organizer accusing Minsky of sexual assault) that, while he condemned Epstein, Minsky likely did not know she was being coerced:
>We can imagine many scenarios, but the most plausible scenario is that she presented herself to him as entirely willing. Assuming she was being coerced by Epstein, he would have had every reason to tell her to conceal that from most of his associates.
Someone wrote blogpost called "Remove Richard Stallman" quoting the argument
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Media outlets like then misquoted Stallman as saying that the woman was "entirely willing" (rather than pretending to be) and as "defending Epstein". Some examples:
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Note the deposition doesn't say she had sex with Minsky, only that Epstein told her to do so.
Since then Greg Benford, who was present at the time, has stated that she propositioned Minsky and he turned her down:
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>I know; I was there. Minsky turned her down. Told me about it. She saw us talking and didn’t approach me.
This seems like a complete validation of the distinction Stallman was making. If what Minsky knew doesn't matter, if there's no difference between "Minsky sexually assaulted a woman" and "Epstein told a 17-year-old to have sex with Minsky without his knowledge or consent", then why did he turn her down? We're supposed to consider a dead man a rapist for sex he didn't have because of something Epstein did without his knowledge, possibly even in a failed attempt to create blackmail material against him? Despite this Stallman has now been pressured to resign from both MIT and, more importantly, the Free Software Foundation he founded.
Why richard stallman resigned
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he is fucked
its a clown world bro
Civil war is coming. Can piss off all the Jow Forumsiticians sure, but once the tech world implodes under this it's going to be shoved under everyone's noses.
Civil war is already here. It is a war of establishment, business, media, against average people.
It is a war of control freaks controlling your entire life, of turning you into a slave kept in a prison. Eat what we tell you, sleep where we tell you, no guns, armed guards to "keep you safe" at every corner, and juicy rewards to the tattle-tales who snitch on their fellow prisoners.
Do not think for one second that what happened to stallman wasn't the work of establishment terrorists being used to undermine the general public's grasp on freedom. This IS the civil war. You are living it RIGHT NOW.
I said it was real so it must be true
This isn't war, this is a bloody slaughter.
Stallman also raped her. That's why he resigned.
exactly what part of the op do you disagree with? vague statements like yours are going to attract troll/zero effort/racist responses here, and not much more.
if he didn't already have a history of defending pedophilia it probably wouldn't have become a big deal.
my problem with your post is that what you call pedophilia doesnt exist
it is either (a) rape of a child, or (b) a thought crime you are trying to police. which is it you are opposed to?
At what point did being a slut/whore/prostitute mean you were being raped?
You put your big girl pants on and leave. No, she wanted money.
Nobody was coerced. She wanted money.
Epstein always new he was flirting with danger. He just figured he had do much money it didn't matter.
Why didn't she say something oh, I don't know... 25 years ago?
Because fuck people is why.
Mods, please remove this pedophile apologist from 0 page I dont need to see this shit thanks
That's institutional bureaucratic power at work.
This sort of nepotistic control freak garbage isn't successful long term because it rots the entire nation out. You can see what happened to the soviet union as a recent example. Or if you break it down into a thermodynamics example: It takes more energy to maintain a police state than it does to maintain a free state. Security and police and all of the security theatre costs enormous amounts of energy, policing your own population to a ridiculous degree costs enormous amounts of energy. A society that isn't doing these things, can devote their energy resources elsewhere and becomes defacto more competitive.
You only need a police state if the government is, in essence, working against the interests of the public. How long can that actually sustain itself?
While the social engineering masterminds believe they are securing their positions, I only see them tying a noose around their own necks; you don't tighten your grip on something you hold securely already.
so stallman was right in saying that assault was not the right word choice? and to extrapolate it by default when the linked articles use the term sex is... called...
Reminder that Linus Trovalds what threatened with something like this and he cave in.
He is the one that let the SJW cancer inside the community.
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if only the screaming hordes would go after prince andrew. who actually deserves to be shamed and removed from his office of privilege
...... its never gonna happen
...... so unfair
fucking christ what a world !
dumb as fuck
Stallman isn't Epstein. Stallman never had to get himself involved. That's his own god damn fault.
Still doesn't change the fact that some women feel entitled to do wrong things and have everyone console them and pat them on the back for coming out as whore.
Every cuck who allows himself to be browbeaten into submission like this instead of fighting back is what is allowing the cancer in this community.
It is no specific person, it is a conglomerate of people who are individually letting it happen passively and not backing each other up or worse, actually assisting it by acquiescing.
A big part of the problem is that a significant fraction, a very vocal minority, are wielding inordinate amounts of social power in comparison to others, boosted by corporate media, and assisted by a braindead stupefied public who cannot fathom information exists outside the mainstream media, because thinking for themselves is too difficult to bother with. They need their soundbites and the media and social terrorists excel at creating and controlling those soundbites.
whether he is involved or not is not important (he is involved at this point)
i dont really care (either) what 'some women' to quote you, 'feel entitled to do' as you put it so eloquently
Even if you are right, this thing isn't going to end until it's too late for any of us.
>Stallman never had to get himself involved.
A fellow MIT hacker was accused of rape, of course he'd come and defend him.
>lol dude, sex slaves are prostitutes
>she did it because she wanted money she knew she wouldn't get
>lol dude just walk out on people keeping you there by force
based retard
that's a lot of words to say "Jews destroy societies everywhere they go".
I'm aware of the irony that Stallman is a Jew himself.
>mutts are ready to kill you because a an article in law says it is a nono to enter sexual intercourse with 17 years old despite that in almost any single country in the world she would be considered more than ready for this kid of acts
america, everyone
>Why richard stallman resigned
Because he's a pussy ass faggot KEK.
He could have stood his ground, stuck to his principles. Instead, he gave up because of some trannies on twitter.
What a disappointment.
And I'd let it slide if it was a young guy who desperately needed a new job or someone with kids... but to be like 70 years old with nothing to lose and still be such a submissive little bitch is just pathetic.
only if you're a clown yourself.
>pled guilty of sexually abusing 14 year olds in early 2000s
>Minsky still fraternizes with a pedo because he's a grant whore
>M-Minsky couldn't have possibly suspected coercion
Whether he fucked a near adult is irrelevant, defending him for mingling with Epstein is retarded enough.
Libel suit when? It worked for Hogan.
You have a point. But you know, the powers that rule this earth might have erased him if he not went willingly.
Follow the papertrail, this is not an accident. They've wanted his scalp for years.
Disappointing indeed.
I don't know the whole story. Was Stallman defending Epstein or Minsky?
Minsky. Read the OP.
None of them. He argued about correct wordings but didn't defend anyone.
It's more likely that MITniggers threatened him to distract the fact that they knowingly took Epstein's pedo money
There was even talk of higher ups at MIT being forced to resign
I literally do not comprehend how people can have this level of misunderstanding about someone's words. Shit like this makes me believe NPCs are real - it goes beyond normal stupidity, it's like a rudimentary AI's understanding of the intent behind the words. Some of the people misunderstanding, I have to assume, work at MIT.
Minsky will come back from cryo and restore Stallman to the FSF with his drone army.
Stallman/Linus suffer from what I call apathetic boomerism.
Pedophiles are literally the most oppressed and downtrodden group. But only male ones. this is seriously pathetic
This is another factor. If the US has those laws they should be changed but respected meanwhile.
However, from a social perspective, this would have hardly been pedophilia. Maybe a cradle-snatcher issue, which is ugly (to me, personally) but not a monstrosity.
Big tech companies finally got rid of that pesky neck beard demanding "digital freedom". even if Stallman wanted to come back he can't now. It's over, they won. Time to switch to OpenBSD before Microsoft and friends completely fuck the GNU project and FSF.
NPCs do not read. And when they do, I am pretty sure they can not link more than about 4 or 5 words together. Like they just saw noise and a few "key words" or like their memory reset every 6 seconds.
Sir, can I get greencard when you have a war?
HOLY SHIT HE RESIGNED WOWOWOWOWOWOW
ENJOY YOUR BOTNETS
It's not misunderstanding, it's intentional.
But Stallman should have known that saying anything remotely controversial like this could have been twisted.
what? when did he do that? how can such things happen in the few months that i have been away from this board.
>Epstein told her to have sex
Should have told him to dilate.
It was a 60 year old plan todestroy software freedom, perfectly executed
>Someone wrote blogpost called "Remove Richard Stallman"
this "someone" should go to a public apology
her retardation and blaming without any solid proofs
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I'm out of the loop, what did he do, fuck some underage girl?
Run your own servers.
Do you always post in threads without even looking at the OP?
He said that some dude who didn’t fuck a girl on Epstein’s island may not have known that Epstein May have been coercing her. Also she was 17 not a child.
Why would that even be important for what he does, he's not like working with children where it could matter.
Nigger
>Linus Trovalds UNILATERALLY INJECTS A PURE SJW RULESET THAT READS LIKE A HUGBOX COMMIE MANIFESTO AND FORCES THE WHOLE COMMUNITY TO BE UNDER IT
>oh you see..... its no specific person....
>pedophilia
Well, here's a fun fact: The legal age of consent here is 15 and the legal age for being in erotic material is 18. Yes, really. So you can have sex with a 15 year old all day and that's all legal and socially acceptable and fine but if a 17 year old sends you a nude photo you're in possession of child pornography and a pedophile. It's due to international agreements (mostly due to wishes from the US) and it's one of those things which makes .. no sense what so ever.
As for the topic at hand: Marvin Minsky died 3 years ago so the whole discussion there seems a bit pointless. It's not like he's around to stand trial or defend himself.
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux,
is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux.
Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component
of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell
utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day,
without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU
which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are
not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.
There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a
part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system
that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run.
The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself;
it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is
normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system
is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux"
distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.
Yeah but why the fuck did he resign?
The FSF should've sued for defamation.
This is just thanks to anglo media. The internet just enforced tabloid garbage since it's the same as clickbait.
Someone fucked a 17 year old so he must be a pedophile because underage=child. "Think of the children" is emotional argumentation that has been working since always and it's easy to target someone with that.
Once again the anglo reaps what he sowed
we didn't deserve him
Do you think he's gonna sudoku?
I followed this man and his philosophies for over 40 years of my life. I mean what the fuck dude.
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Can this be the Jow Forums anthem now?
This appears to be a burner account. If it's yours, I want you to know I think the profile description is great.
No wait that's a real github account. :/
>Once again the anglo reaps what he sowed
more like 'the leftist reaps what he sowed'.
But I didn't like Stallman's attitude towards BLOBs, the GPLv3 in all its incarnations, and his attitude about CONTROLLING TOO MUCH.
If 'Free Software' is TRULY free, then you should be able to DO WITH YOU WANT WITH IT, including linking it in with your closed source application, such as with a BSD or MIT license. In the case of GPL, and particularly GPLv3, you're often FORCED (by an interpretation of it) to turn your closed source code into open source, regardless, because you used an open source library or sample code. That's plain RIDICULOUS.
Similarly to be able to re-compile a kernel and use a BLOB driver, the BLOB driver SHOULD be able to have a wrapper around it that compiles with a modified kernel. Nothing wrong with that. but the FASCIST PURIST types (Stallmen in particular) want to PREVENT that from happening.
Glad to see him go. Maybe we'll get a LESS RESTRICTIVE GPLv4 out of the FSF, now.
and NO MORE DAMNED SOCIALISM/COMMUNISM!
>archive.is/ttdCb
>"I’m writing this because I’m too angry to work."
No you're not. You're just a lazy cunt. Pathetic.
>and NO MORE DAMNED SOCIALISM/COMMUNISM!
GPLv3 is not real communism. Real communism has never been tried.
Hogan has a spine.
When's the last time Stallman wrote a line of code?
When's the last time he launched any kind of successful community project?
As far as I can tell, in the last 10-20 years, he hasn't done a damn thing besides crash on people's couches, attract bedbugs, creep out women, and give the same tiresome pedantic speeches about "free software" versus "open source." He's a plague on FOSS and removing him is a much needed medicine.
Someone put the JUST hair on him.
He's done. No more free trips all over the world to give the same autistic 30-minute speech. We'll probably see him sleeping on the streets of Cambridge pretty soon.
In 5 years he'll be dead or in prison, forgotten and unmourned. I'd like to say he doesn't deserve this fate.
fuck you if you think I'm gonna continue living my life while Stallman is in the street, if nobody does it I'll be the one to pick his smelly ass up from whatever shithole he gets pushed into
How badly do you think he freaked out? I imagine it was like this x1000
>more like 'the leftist reaps what he sowed'.
No, the right is the same shit. It's just about flinging shit at each other and make the other one look bad/evil
not mine, but I like the bio too
just thought I'd share his reply because it made me kek
You'll kick him out before long.
>twitter.com
>I hosted rms many years ago in the 90’s, what was supposed to be hosting your hero for a ~3 day thing became a ~2 month nightmare. I joined a small club “never host rms ever again”. To cope with it, I used to collect the horror stories.
>He met a woman on the first evening in town, and extended his stay. One day, I came home from work and she had moved in.
why would you advocate for using free software in a proprietary system? last time that was tried we ended up with OSX and tivo's
MIT and BSD licenses are simply too weak
Fuck Stallman and fuck Jow Forums
Do you not even have a sense of humor? That's clearly a cheeky little joke, what the fuck happened to humanity.
He believed in FSF and FSF was losing its connections because of all the negativity around him. It was either disappear and have FSF disappear with you, or disappear and have FSF remain.
>cheeky little joke
No, it's not even a bit funny.
the post you replied to is clearly a cheeky little attempt at a joke
Out of all the people involved it's RMS that goes down? Makes you think.
welp I guess we better end a man's career because he did a poor attempt at humor that wasn't in line with your fragile emotions and worldview
Spotted the SJW who misconstrued Stallman's statement as victim-blaming.
It's funny in like dad humor way.
all the other people had friends, family, allies, a community to fall back on.
RMS does not. He's spent a quarter of a century alienating everyone who could've been sympathetic to him. The world doesn't need him anymore. We need FSF and GNU but they don't need him either.
The open source community is getting taken over by seething trannies who want to blacklist anyone who says anything they don't like. Stallman going down is a pretty clear signal of what we have coming and it won't be pretty.
FSF and GNU will be better without him.
He's a shitty spokesperson. Most people who aren't into free software just know him as the linux guy who eats shit off of his feet.
cisgenderism is a mental illness, user :^)
>Every cuck who allows himself to be browbeaten into submission like this instead of fighting back is what is allowing the cancer in this community.
I actually do not understand why the fuck Linus would cave in. What power do people have over him?
I'm out of context, all I know is that Epstein had some pedo secret club or something
give me the dl;dr please
He said pedo is OK if you think the child victim looks willing.