/mkg/ mechanical keyboard general

>new trash pandas with a tactile stem instead of linear
Neat.

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The force graph provided.

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>sharp bump
Is this going to feel more like a box royal I wonder?

The magnitude of the bump isn't as great going by that graph, and it rounds out afterwards. Without actually having them in hand I'd imagine they feel closer to a sharper meme panda, T1s or v2 zeals.

What kind of switches does that have?

the best switch, mx browns

each key a gumdrop
maybe winter, a new batch
I will get mine then

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Dev/titty is pretty nice. I vaguely remember hearing it should get another run eventually (that isn't just a recap). Is there any actual detail on that yet?

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I know dick about mechanicals, just got an Eagletec KG010N with Outemu Blue switches because it was dead cheap on Amazon. I like the feel of it, it's sweet to type on but damn it's loud as fuck. Decent? Crap?

why there so many pic of japanese keyboards on Jow Forumsmechkeyboards.

meme

Got my first mechanical keyboard that has Cherry switches and I'm really liking them so far.
The manufacturer included some nice custom double-shot keycaps with it.
The question is, can anyone recommend any legit websites that sell quality keycaps and ship to Europe?

switches are preference and if you like the feel of blues then good. Get some sound dampeners if they are to loud

Cost as much as a new laptop

Not ghost on key rollover presses, locking out yourinputs.

Where do I get cardcoard prototypes laser cut for plates?
And MDF and wood/stainless steel/copper/bronze?

I feel like cardboard should only cost a few bucks, and other materials like $25-$45 for that size.

I really need this and I'm struggling to figure it out.

Neil Muyskens says it's getting harder and harder to compete with manufacturers in China.

Muyskens is the founder and CEO of Unicomp, a company that designs and manufactures customized mechanical keyboards at its plant in Lexington, Kentucky.

Unicomp was always a small business, but times have gotten tough. The competition from China has significantly cut into the company's revenue, Muyskens says. At its peak, Unicomp had 120 employees. Today, it has 25 employees.
>it china's fault Unicomp does not understand their market, and does nothing to appease said market.
The challenge is that Unicomp makes a premium product — its mechanical keyboards cost about $90. Many companies, though, have switched to cheap keyboards made in China.
>change nothing yet become worse quality, why is no one buying use from the rest of the none changing cheap keyboards!!!, I am sure 15 dollar keyboard with 100 percent tariff to 30 dollars will make people buy ours!!.
>use old 30+ year old molds, change nothing except color cheapening changes.

"We know we're competing against a low labor-cost business," Muyskens says of the competition in Asia. "We are at a significant cost disadvantage and always have been."

FUCK UNICOMP THEY DON'T DO ANYTHING BUT GO DOWNHILL AND BLAME CHINA.
How is it china's fault they appease unicomp's market share by having a board that is more modular?
>board can use 3 different brand switches from different manufactures.
>cases can be shit plastic abs to pbt, to stamped aluminum or steel sheets, to cnc metal.
>keycaps are customizable.
>went from no leds, to leds, to rgb leds, to underglow leds
>people pushed programmable keys, people got shit programmables to open sauce ones.

what has unicomp done?
change case to black, make the case thinner and cheaper. get nipple and add command rows.
what did the community want first?
>TKL VERSION
did the ever deliver it?
>NO
people moved on to more feature rich keyboards cause unicomp didn't change.

Unicomp did recently showcase an SSK in a picture they took of the factory, but still no word on when it should be out. A Unicomp employee on Deskthority said that they're using completely new tooling and parts for it, so it seems that they've invested a decent amount of money into it. It will probably sell pretty well when and if it does come out.

I've defended Unicomp a number of times in this general, but it's true that they've been more-or-less on autopilot for decades now, with only a few changes here-and-there. I don't think different switch avenues would have been a worthy endeavor, though. Buckling springs is what people want from them and that's probably all they'll ever want

What I want out of Unicomp is fairly simple: similar quality to old IBM products. It's true that for the most part the new Unicomp M's are mostly similar, but there are differences. Keys sit in the barrels more loosely, the cases creak like hell and are almost always warped on the front, the LED lights are incredibly cheap looking, the new font is more bold and fuzzy. Basically the new boards just feel less sturdy. Yes, they're still great to type on and I would posit that for the price you're still getting a better product than most of the competitors, but it's still not quite up to snuff to old IBM M's or Lexmark M's.

I wouldn't mind them hiking their prices two fold if it meant better QA and fixing their existing problems. The fact that the CEO thinks that 90 dollars is a "premium" price point for a keyboard shows how out of date he is. That's basically a mid range keyboard these days. If people could pay 180 dollars for a reliable source of brand new M's with detachable cables, quality cases, keycaps, and buckling springs -- maybe even more case color options (industrial cases!) -- then I'd bet Unicomp would see a lot more success. Probably easier said than done, though.

they don't know their market though. they make worse quality boards, how hard would it be to make it fully programmable with qmk?
Why don't they do different color at least?If they where lazy they could made bolt mod standard.
90 dollars if the point where you market changes people who spend 90 bucks are enthusiasts, whom are gonna be gamer or mechanical keyboard sluts. once you enter here you given a wide variety of boards layout, switches, and features.
What does uni comp do? nothing, just buy my board goy.

ssk was shown but how long has the market aka enthusiasts/gamer ask for it? It feels like a decade almost.We put the tenkeyless model in the picture to support a conversation about the status of that project. No, it’s not a stealth announcement. But, in the way of status, some of the parts in that model, particularly the top and bottom cover, are first shot parts from new tooling. We’re working on improving the fit and the texturing of those tools. We have other tools and parts that are being developed and require testing. So, we’re still not close to setting announce dates or accepting orders. But we’re making good progress.

Is this tweaking them making cheaper model, probably.

Point is unicomp didn't blow their load and now they are blue balled. They had a years of only competition using only cherry switches, and then the patent ended, and you got more switches different varieties. Did they even try? how about changing spring? Nope. they lost. they where competing with simple boards like filco, ducky., now the market moved on and has a lot features it expects.

People don't recommend filco cause lack feature an it build quality is the same, but other have met or exceeded it. Even filco released 60%,and wireless version of their key along with different cases.

going from 125 to 25 should ring alarms bells that they fucked up.

Your English is so bad and it's making you come across as very incoherent.

GergoFag here, now that I'm doing gboards full-time it's a much bigger possibility.

Because weebs. Even Japs don't use kanaboards, fuckin' romanji input.

>pan-nordic legends

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Is this the most superior keyboard for only 60usd?

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keys actually register when they should

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REMINDER

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TO CLEAN

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HAHAHAHAHA YOU FORGOT TO CLEAN THE CUM! WHAT A DISASTER!

YOUR GODDAMN

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FUCKING

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KEYBOARD

>cum
Actually a mix of apple cider (spilled at least 5 separate occasions), cat hair, and various food crumbs.

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With the features in the other post, that's actually pretty great. If it had qmk I think it'd be perfect.

Are mechanical keyboards recommended for people learning to touch type? A guy at my work thinks they are.
Asking for a friend

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yes if you get a 3d columnar stagger
I was surprised at how hard it was to find homerow on my iris vs on my dactyl manuform

Go with blanks and you'll fine. Looking at keys doesn't mean shit if they're's nothing on them

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pls respon

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>carboard protoypes for plates
Print it out with a printer, cut it out, and place it over some cardboard and then cut that.
>mdf
use a 4-axis cnc machine. Your local metal machinery will probably do mdf versions for you

Just 3d print them

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i don't have a 3d printer.
plastic is ugly and probably costs more for a prototype than cardboard or MDF.

>Print it out with a printer, cut it out, and place it over some cardboard and then cut that.
no thanks lmao. That's also not very exact. At the very least die should be used like with tattoo guides. Forget what it's called.
>use a 4-axis cnc machine. Your local metal machinery will probably do mdf versions for you
Are you sure a local cnc shop would be cheaper than some online streamlined shop..? There are 2 I found that seemed okay

>sure a local cnc would be cheaper
No clue.

Well that's why I'm asking what the good online ones are, so I can compare price to local cnc.

you can press 3 keys at once without it going boogus about it.

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So apparently Kailh put out some mid height switches as well. Anyone tried them yet?

they arrive in a week or two for me.
I have tried the Outemu ones and I really like them.

Nice! Report back please once you tried them, I want lower profile switches fitting a standard mx pcb (which I hope they do).

I never owned a mechanical keyboard.
In general, how easy are mech keyboards to fix at home if it's something different than a broken switch that you can swap/resolder?
Particularly if it's some cheap chink keyboard.
I saw that people often complain about double clicks (which I assume is a bad switch) and ghost-typing e.g. pressing one letter and you get a string of characters. Is the latter one fixable or keyboard just goes into the trash in this case?

As is the case with many cheap keyboards, the case will be hard to open and then put back together. Otherwise, if you know how to solder it shouldn't be too bad. I'd probably go for something though that's a hundred dollars, at the minimum. Below that you're really not getting something that's worth owning. I usually recommend that people look for working vintage keyboards on eBay since the quality vs. pricepoint is typically pretty high if it's something that's pretty common

Even the most chink mechanical keyboard has advantages over the commoner keyboard because of the potential keyboards have, like swapping switches, keycaps, even swapping PCB's in some cases.

Fixing switch chatter is so goddamn easy.
>open keyboard
>reflow solder points
>close keyboard.
IF that doesnt work, remove the switch, open it and put a little bit of contact cleaner so clean it and solder it.

If you're not a lazyass you can work and experiment with a keyboard until the plate and case literally disintegrates( wich is hard since the plate is made of metal)
Here's my shitty handwired i made out of a dead quickfire rapid wich im using right now.

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>As is the case with many cheap keyboards, the case will be hard to open and then put back together.

Thats actually the opposite, Chink keyboards are way easier to open as opposed to commoner stuff like corsair, logitech and razer

Well in relations to customs I meant. I'd probably put cheapo's above those brands you mentioned

Something like a G80-3000 is notoriously difficult to take apart and put back together.

So did anyone ever make a keyboard that supports usb 3.0's new interrupt based polling? Someone claimed that the cherry mx 6.0 board did but the documentation does not back that up.

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I will when someone tells me a good place online to get laser cutted plates custom made online for cheap

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I see, thanks.
Yeah, if it's something simple like unsolder/solder or a broken cable then it's something I can do, more or less anyway. I'm more concerned about the PCB quality on those cheap keyboards and whatnot. I doubt that'd be something that I'd be able to fix and living in a shithole where getting spare parts only complicates things further.
By cheap chink keyboards I meant something like Redragons, Motospeed etc ~50$ keyboards filled with Outemu Blues.
I think only that one Gigabyte keyboard has Cherry switches at this price range but rest of the keyboard is probably like 10x worse than the chink ones, and it's a Gigabyte on top of that.

Driverless USB keyboards support it, but you need a special KVM if your motherboard doesn't support it.

Ask reddit
Jow Forums isn't the best place. I just get my stuff from the local metal shop

>I think only that one Gigabyte keyboard has Cherry switches at this price range but

Doesn't really matter. For that cheap it's probably not going to be a future enthusiast considering it. My old noppoo choc mini was about that much and it has "noppoo" clone switches that still go strong. It's kind of a shame that pre-builts are kind of dying out in terms of quality

you can get acrylic laser cutting services on ali
thats good enough
it doesnt have to be metal

What's a good, clacky keyboard? I was looking at the Razer BlackWidow Elite with green switches, but I've heard about issues with the spacebar. Also, is plastic or aluminum better?

GMMK with Box navies or jades for maximum CLICC

I get my laser cutting done by ponoko, they have lots of materials, including cardboard

ponoko.com/make-and-sell/show-material/260-cardboard-natural

fair points, I agree that they are extremely slow-moving, especially now that even hobbyists can make a completely new keyboard, case, pcb in a month

a QMK PCB that could be swapped in would be an easy way for them to drum up interest and cost basically nothing to develop

considering worst case latency of usb 2 is a handful of milliseconds, seems kinda pointless

I'd probably consider implementing it for a keyboard anyway, but no reasonable MCUs support USB 3 yet

I'm looking for a tenkeyless mechanical keyboard under 100$. I checked the guide but can't find any sellers on any of those

help pl0x

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damn when was that guide updated? anyway just use mechanicalkeyboards.com search feature

Is the Redragon Visnu an ok entry-level keyboard?
I saw Kumara being recommended before, but Visnu looks better design-wise and it's a bit cheaper.

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Dumb question:
I'm looking to get this PCB:
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Do I need to get switches that are clear in order for the RGB to not be blocked? E.g. can I order switches from the first row and not have them block?

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The LEDs on hotswap boards are pretty much always SMDs that sit under the switch, so you'd need switches with cutouts in the housing and clear tops or completely clear housings for it to come through.

Do you think switches - in particular, springs - would suffer if held in the fully pressed down position for extended amounts of time?
Thinking of making a case for my georgi which would keep the two halfs back-to-back (front-to-front?) for travel, and it's so small that even with the choc switches the difference between just putting the two halves together and pressing them together so as to press down on the switches is actually really noticeable.

You might weaken the springs if you kept them compressed for several hours at a time. That's how people weaken springs for speedcubes at least.

I doubt it'll have a huge effect on them, honestly. They're partially compressed inside the switches to begin with and I've never really heard of springs getting weaker over time.

>weakening 12g springs
Oh. Yeah, I'd rather not.
It would make sense though if they're designed to operate within the switch, but perhaps not designed to be stored within a fully compressed switch.
Maybe I'll have to research some material science regarding the plasticity of metal and how it applies to tiny springs, because perhaps you're right.

My brother is picking me this up for me

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Absolute unit.

Unicomp posting low key sexy pics on Facebook....

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I'd love to see a board with those switches and SA profile caps. Have the overall hight of dsa, and the heavy feel of SA in one package.

Are there any mechanical keyboards that come with the Cyrillic alphabet already on? I don't want to put on stickers that will just come off after a year or so.

>tfw just joined the meme keyboard way too late i totally missed the greatness that were the quickfire rapids

just get keycaps for your old keyboard
aliexpress has some dye-sub PBT sets that will last for decades

>tfw you will never have a comfy work at unicomp building the keyboards you love

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How are they?
I was thinking of getting the model with the trackball.

they're pretty shit when compared to the originals (creaky cases, worn out legends) but for the price they're pretty decent value wise.

Ew. Acrylic feels so bad.

I looked at them. But I couldn't see prices.
How much was it for you?

also it says their margins are only within 0.1mm which is a bit low.

Oh wait it does show pricing.. it's per sheet?
So $1 for 384.0mm x 384.0mm which I can probably get 2 sets of plates out of.
And shipping cost?

I have the Red Dragon Shrapnel, using mid-height Outemus, and I love it.

>my brother
>picking this up
he must be a strong boy

Here's a demonstration of the case creaking.
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I'm just hoping they offer the sets separately like the first round instead of only selling the sets for assdrops keyboards...

Looking it into it more, my reservation is that they hide the shipping cost until the end.
Don't want to go through the work and find out it's $25 to ship.

>wants a prototype
>ewww 3d printed PLA
>ewww acrylic
>cardboard is fine!
What's wrong with you

oh you mean acrylic for prototype. idk I figure cardboard is cheaper when it's just to prototype and see what layout feels best.

just some piece of shit retard asking to be spoonfed
report and hide

they use different ways to detect keystrokes so its like pressing a physical switch instead of pressing a key attached to a mushy rubber membrane

im not going to pretend that it makes the experience of typing that much different, its more or less the same, but if you have the discretion to want that experience then its easily avaliable. just don't pretend that other people care, because they definitely don't care what color switch you use. don't be a boomer that thinks that their choice between off-the-shelf products makes some statement about themselves

>rubber membrane