/pcbg/ - PC Building General

I'm done Waiting™ because I have everything I wanted

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>desire to buy a 2080Ti increases

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why though, it won't be on top for long and it's not even a good price. just wait for the 3080 ti.

The asus is flat out better but also more expensive

not that user but you make it sound like performance of the 2080Ti is suddenly going to disappear overnight simply because another card down the road will out perform it. Who cares? I've had a 2080Ti since launch. Top tier performance its entire life span and will still do what I want for another 3 years easy. When it starts to struggle to maintain 85 FPS @ 1440p on medium/high settings in all my games, it will be time to upgrade.

X570 isn't worth the price jump

>Who cares
anybody who cares about value
>I've had a 2080Ti since launch
I don't see what that has to do with buying it a year later for nearly the same price. the case for buying at launch isn't the same for when it's near to being usurped.

Asus. Gigabyte is known for decent hardware, but GARBAGE BIOS. Just horrible. Asus is usually good hardware/good BIOS, but higher price. Get the Asus one.
>being poor
lmao

>Asus. Gigabyte is known for decent hardware, but GARBAGE BIOS. Just horrible. Asus is usually good hardware/good BIOS, but higher price. Get the Asus one.
this was true in the past but not for x570. gigabyte has the best x570 bios and asus actually has disabled features on their bios because they are not updating it enough.

don't worry. Everyone will be clamoring to get their hands on a new old stock/used 2080Ti, just like everyone did the 1080Ti when Nvidia reveals the starting price of $1600 for their 3080Ti. Just you watch.

>you make it sound like performance of the 2080Ti is suddenly going to disappear overnight simply because another card down the road will out perform it
It's nVidia, it actually will get worse to promote new products.

Regardless, if you're made of money - by all means, go for it. But why not get the Titan instead, if you're actually rich? Why go big, but not go all the way? Buying the 2080 Ti is like buying the cheapest Mercedes hatch. While that Mercedes badge might impress your gypsy friends, it still shows that you haven't got what it takes to own a real model. If going big, go for the full fisting. Don't just use a finger. Need more analogies to get it?

resale has nothing to do with the lost value. to make the point even more clear to you think about buying a 2080 ti the day before a 3080 ti is released and the day the 2080 ti launched. the value of those two buys is not the same. you don't expect to pay msrp for older tech, especially not when something better is coming out that will outpace it. right now is not a good time for buying a 2080 ti. the price isn't there.

The asus is 100$more expensive. Still worth it?

>why not the titan?
Because it loses to the 2080Ti as much as it wins. That sort of logic is really stupid. Every single time someone ITT mentions 2080Ti, poorfags sperg the fuck out. REEE POOR PRICE:PERFORMANCE. REEE

pcpartpicker.com/list/d497YH
Working on my first build, how does this look so far? My max budget is $1400 USD and it'd be used for gaming and light video editing.

is there even an official date for the 3xxx launch? Even a paper launch?
damn that is pretty steep. Any reason you're looking at those boards specifically? Cheaper X570 boards do exist that aren't terrible.

Bought a 2070 a month before the supers came out what can I do?

I would be basically anything I'm richer than you and I don't think the 2080 ti is a good buy right now. being rich doesn't make me want to waste money, nor would I recommend somebody else does that.

if you bought evga and registered you could have used step up. I assume that is not on the table for you now. you have nothing else you can do.

>Because it loses to the 2080Ti as much as it wins.
No it doesn't. The memory alone makes it superior, 2080 Ti chokes in some games even vs. the Radeon VII because of a lack of memory.

>Whaa-whaa poorfags
>Actually can't afford the Titan, tries to COPE instead by promoting the 2080 Ti as an equal
lmao.

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at this point in time yea the 2080Ti for full price seems shitty. But I remember even at launch, like literally founder's edition models only, people in /pcbg/ threads were disparaging of it. I'd bet my bottom dollar the same thing will happen with the 3080Ti.

that's probably true you're right
I will personally be buying a 3080 ti or at least I currently plan to unless it's truly awful or amd comes out with something better

>Cheaper X570 boards do exist that aren't terrible
like?

>No it doesn't. The memory alone makes it superior, 2080 Ti chokes in some games even vs. the Radeon VII because of a lack of memory.
source? I'd love to see what games we're talking about here. I was considering the RTX Titan before getting my 2080Ti because I used to own an original Titan back in the day and saw how badly it got trounced by the Ti version of the same chip with less VRAM.

Is it a bad investment to get a 2070s super gaming x trio?

Will I get wrecked by a 5700xt "finewine"?

which AIB version did you buy user?

Asus Prime X570-Pro is like $230
Asus X570-P is a slightly worse one for as cheap as $160.

Both have enough of a VRM section to handle the 3900X.

Dude cut out some of that other bullshit and get a better cpu/gpu wtf are you doing

What does the x570 offer in 2020 over an x470?

>finewine
I don't know if that is going to apply this time around for AMD. FineWine was always because of AMD's GCN architecture having a shit load of hardware not being properly utilized. Then when drivers and game optimizations came along, the cards got "more performance" because more of the card's resources were being utilized. With AMD's new arch, it was built around gaming from day one. So I'm unsure if the FineWine will take hold.

However I'd get a good model of the 5700XT over the 2070S just because it's cheaper for similar performance.
EVGA FTW3 Gaming Ultra when it came out. Full 3 slot card. Got some serious length and girth to it, so don't try to put it in a tiny no airflow case. Mine hits 2010MHz boost clock out of the box and only sees 72C under extended gaming loads with the stock "silent" fan curve.

Am I wrong for hoping that the new consoles next year will put pressure on GPU market? Fidelity of next gen games ported to PC should put serious strain on the current gpus out there, and deciding between a new $500 console or a new $400-$500 GPU would swing some consumers to the console market.

>Asus X570-P is a slightly worse one for as cheap as $160
that looks pretty tempting
how would it compare to this one?
pcpartpicker.com/product/q4Dkcf/msi-mpg-x570-gaming-plus
thanks for the help

No, absolutely not.
Consoles offer nowhere near the performance a PC can, you're paying less but only for a small fraction of what you'd get out of having built a PC for more.

But John Carmack said 2x power coded to the metal

The big appeal of X570 is PCIe 4.0 standard. But X570 also brings newer/faster USB standards, but it's mostly about that PCIe 4.0. To handle the requirements of PCIe 4.0, the traces and silicon quality of even mediocre X570 boards rivals that of tip tier X470 ones. Same with the VRM section on even the cheapest X570 boards being nearly as good as the top tier X470 stuff. Not the same number of phases of course, but individual phase/caps/choke quality.
That board looks fine. I personally only buy Asus or ASrock. I've been burnt on building with MSI/Gigabyte before in the past. That's just my 2 cents though. Maybe MSI/Gigabyte have changed.

that's the one I was looking to get to be honest. I have a H700 so it should have plenty of airflow for it

I noticed my 2080s fans were maxing out (around 4k rpm, loud) and temps were hitting up to 84c
This is still in the safe operating temps isn't it? I'm using the stock fan curve embedded into the card, and like it because it's mostly quiet. You guys think this is a potential issue?

Forgot to remove the wireless adapter as well as the kb+m since 'll buy those elsewhere. Also upgraded CPU and GPU. How is it looking now? pcpartpicker.com/list/QMKcCL

>84C
Nah you're fine.

I can't find the video now (of course). Just some test I remember seeing in Shadow of the Tomb Raider, 4K ridiculous textures, that sort of thing. Nothing you would ever actually face. I was just baiting that guy, because if you spend $1200 on a GPU you're so far from "value" that you're likely either rich, got it for free, or use it for "work" of some kind. If you actually bought it for "work" (streaming and similar), or are rich, then it doesn't make sense not to buy the most expensive one. The 2080 Ti is the "top tier", but it's actually not the top product.

If you're actually buying anything, just wait for the 3080Ti at least, or for the price to drop. These things are never worth it, but they definitely aren't worth it at the end of the generational life. I have a strong suspicion that AMD will announce something like the 5800XT within a few months tops, meaning nVidia has to come up with a response.

>I have a strong suspicion that AMD will announce something like the 5800XT
I think 5800 and 5900 product codes are both confirmed as far as I remember

there's 5950 and 5850 too

I am that user lmao. You don't have to be insanely rich to buy a 2080Ti. The cost of your average 2080Ti I make in a week as a blue collar worker. It's about what you're willing to spend. I don't make money with it nor do I stream. I just like my games with all the eye candy and 85+FPS. Maybe occasionally I'll use the Nvidia encoding API when mass encoding my anime that I rip/encode.

Then again I keep my tech for a long while, so spending $5k on a new build every 7 years or so really isn't a big deal to me.

>Radeon 5950
Think they'll go dual GPU? These new cards aren't even xfire capable are they?

85+ FPS can be achieved with a RX 5700 XT or 2070 Super on 1440p in the latest and gayest triple gay games (so 144+ FPS is achievable in literally every other game). Just get a good CPU and upgrade your CPU at year 4 or 5 when you can't hit 85 FPS at 1440p anymore.

>The cost of your average 2080Ti I make in a week as a blue collar worker.
You make something like $200-240k a year as a "blue collar worker"? That's at least 2-3x the average US household income. Well, I guess you qualify as low-level rich then, since after investments you basically make more money than anyone could reasonably spend in a year. You're almost in the top 5% of the country in fact - good job!

Upgrade GPU I mean, not CPU.

>longer than 4 weeks

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>Just get a good CPU
Not that user but what CPU would you recommend to pair with a 5700 XT

I'm already getting those speeds with my 1080, but I want more for some crazy reason.

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>$200k to $240k
Where are you getting that figure from? A decent model 2080Ti is as much as $1300. 52 weeks of this comes nowhere near that much. I make sub $70k a year before taxes. So I'm sorry, I should say
>1 week of my pay before taxes, or roughly 2 weeks of pay after taxes.

3700x is all you need

Depends on your budget. 3600 if you need to save some money and is all you need. 3700X if you feel like throwing more money and the magical crystal ball of fortune is telling you that it will last you longer into the future.

this user is right 3600 is the value buy, 3700x is the most obvious step up
3800x, 3900x, 9900k are a waste of money unless you have some very specific need (you don't)

>planning to buy AOC G2460PF, looks perfect for my needs
>price was $150 when I first picked it
>slowly went up and up
>not available now
god fucking damn it

3900X/9900K/KS are for people who know what they need them for, but the 3800X is actually complete garbage. It is unironically a barely OC'd 3700X that performs almost identically for significantly higher price.

I live near a Microcenter
>Ryzen 3400G
>$130
>comes with Wraith Spire cooler
>it isn't eligible for the $30 bundle deal off of the motherboard.
OR
>Ryzen 2400G
>$115
>Wraith Stealth cooler instead of Spire
>I get $30 off any compatible board

So I can get the 2400G and ASrock Fatal1ty B450-mITX for around $195 after bundle.
or
3400G and the same board for $240. Is this $45 difference worth it for the newer CPU/better stock cooler? Or should I use the savings for something else in my build?

Thanks frens

my friend bought a 3800k with 32gb 2133mhz ram

how bad did he fuck up, he's using the stock cooler too

I'm assuming you mean the 3800X? Yea he fucked up.
>2133MHz memory
Fucking why? Memory speed is the one thing to not cheap out on.

The CPU is good, just very poor value. He should've bought 16GB of 3200MHz RAM at minimum.

If this isn't a LARP then your friend is a retard cause why waste all that money on a high end CPU like that just to cheap out on RAM?

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would have been better to get a 3700X and 3200Mhz of RAM. ryzen feeds off fast memory so he's gonna get bottlenecked

Newer will have better performance in general, otherwise there would be no point in releasing a new SKU when people can buy the older one. Having said that, what do you plan to do with this? If you have the cash why not get a 2600 and a B450 unless you don't plan on getting a video card?

Why is the i7 2600S so fucking expensive? I just bought the i5 2500S for like 1/4 the price.

I just wanted the best CPU I could get dammit. I'm limited to 65W sandy bridge and for fucks sake it shouldn't be $80+ for an almost decade old CPU.

I don't know, myself, either. I might actually be retarded.

Either way, it's a huge buy that isn't cost effective any way you spin it. You could get three decent cards for that. A new one every two years for, six years (which the 2080Ti isn't really going to last for now that AMD finally has some research money again, hopefully leading to real development again on both sides). You would have more intitial performance, but at a huge premium over just getting the "good enough" card every time.

>TN
It's a piece of shit anyway. Check this one out: pcmonitors.info/reviews/aoc-c24g1/

VA (actual 3000:1, not just on the box) Samsung panel, less of the issues Samsungs early models had (different revision). Strobe mode that you can adjust the brightness of, I guess that's the big one for me. 1ms (in strobe mode, presumably). The main downside is that it's curved, and that's about it as far as I can tell. Don't bother with the 27" version.

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I don't intend to get a video card unless I buy used. My other option is I can get a first gen R5-1600 for $80 brand new from Microcenter and it has the $30 bundle. So I can make a 1600/mATX combo for like $110 together.

I'm trying to put a build together that will do 1080p @ 60HZ for gaming and general use even if I have to turn down the settings a little.

Talk me out of it Jow Forums

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OK but I said 2020. Pci4 is still meme for forseable future

>NVMeme
other than that I built basically the same computer about 6 months ago and it's great.

Is RGBT RAM cheaper than heterosexual RAM these days?

>3700X

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don't get that NVME SSD. It's garbage. Either get the 970 Evo Plus or the Sabrent Rocket. The latter is far better in price/performance.

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Do you really need pcie4? Personally I don't think I want the x570 boards. Though I'm not sure they've finished cleaning up the bios issues with the other ones yet.

>X570 Board
>PCI Gen 3 SSD

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pcpartpicker.com/list/xPDwrV
I'm looking for a PC primarily for gaming, but also capable of regular everyday stuff (I imagine any PC can do that part of it, but I feel like I should include it). My budget is around $2500 (USD) (this does not include mouse/keyboard/monitor). I've had some people tell me this is overkill, but I'd like something that'll last for several years without needing upgrades. Any suggestions are appreciated.
Also, should I stick with the Red Devil, or should I try to find a Sapphire RX 5700 TX Nitro+ or something else entirely?

if that's the case, I'd get the 2400G, spend a little extra on a better PSU that can last you longer or a better ram.
pcpartpicker.com/product/3BCD4D if you can afford it, this stuff can overclock super easily which makes it great value.

>External Drive
>Win 10 key

why?

Is it a good idea to buy $96 Pradeon RX 580?

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Holy SHIT why is windows so fucking obnoxious all the goddamn time, I just want to change my sound font for FUCK'S SAKE.
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I AM THE ONLY USER AND ADMINISTRATOR YOU FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT, EVEN THE FOLDER PERMISSIONS SAY I AM IN CHARGE. WHO ARE YOU TO FUCKING SAY I CAN'T MOVE THREE GODDAMN WAV FILES TO A SYSTEM FOLDER, OBAMA??? YOU FUCKING NIGGER

I'M A RACIST

YOU MADE ME A RACIST

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isn't that windows 7 though?

IT'S JUST A FUCKING IMAGE FROM GOOGLE, THIS FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT DOESN'T EVEN DESERVE TO TAKE A SCREENSHOT OF THIS
STUPID
BULLSHIT

would a sabrent rocket be good then?

Fun experiment: try copying something from a network drive to %programfiles%. You fucking can't.

How's this look, will everything fit? I've heard the AIO is hard to maneuver

pcpartpicker.com/list/HGt6Mc

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The Win 10 key was just to show I plan on using that OS, in case anyone was to ask about it. The external drive is to move files from my old laptop to this new PC once I build it, although it might be a better idea to get more internal space as well. Any recommendations?

What was the thing about the windows 10 key again? I remember reading about it in a previous thread you could get one somewhere

LOOK AT THIS SHIT
LOOK AT THIS STUPID SHIT
MICROSHITFAGS DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT A FUCKING SOUND FONT IS

FUCKINNNNNGGGG AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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what's the best case