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>OP, do you know if your company does the design consultation as well, or does the hiring company have to have a design?
Sometimes we get into design consultation. Other times we just try to do what the client wants -- and even suggest what they might need.

Though with that being said, everyone's on Windows machines in a corporate environment. And if you want your server to be more than just a phone system/NAS/web server where it can actually control users from a specific point then you need a Windows server.

Not him but as long as I've worked in IT the sales staff that press the flesh usually consist of a women with big tits who knows to sell them rack mount servers with Windows server. I just implement it (or upgrade from win server 2008 whole keeping the same domain)

>>Nobody even knows what Linux is.
Literally the only reason why Windows Server is still a thing. People don't know or care about the alternatives. They don't want to spend any time on figuring out what's actually best for the business, IT is just an afterthought. And migration is made hard on purpose, so companies are afraid to move away from Microsoft. It also depends on the country or industry how much Linux or Windows is used. Obviously, your company might just specialize in Windows, so that will be all you see.

Other standard IT guy here again. Any recommendations for good VoIP set up, handsets too? It's not Linus tech tips reviews that shit and I'm terrified of buying one for all my users if it's worse than the outgoing ancient (but works) one made by LG Nortel (yeah they don't exist anymore)

The windows servers you setup are only running offices, not the world user.

>VoIP
dont. just require your employees to own cellphones.

>They don't want to spend any time on figuring out what's actually best for the business, IT is just an afterthought.
This is delusional and not aligning with reality. Have you ever seen someone used to a specific system and ripping them out of it? We're talking 60 year old 85 IQ accountants with just enough knowledge to get by. They have a hard time using Windows let alone a completely different OS.

Plus higher ups REQUIRE control over their users. Why? Because they're the boss. They want control. Linux does the exact opposite. They want less control. So why would anyone build a controller for this? Is there an alternative to Active Directory? Because it's pretty important.

RingCentral is very very good, but also very expensive. If it is a good company they'll shell out the extra bucks for a fantastic phone system.

You could setup freepbx

Thanks I'll look into it. Really just need a basic system though. The problem with.mine is that it works but I cannot add more handsets without going to a specialist installer. LG Nortel don't exist anymore and the only instructions I can find are in Russian! It's embarrassing as a sysadmin to not have any control over the phones server (you can do a fair bit with the handsets). Also fucking so many wires oh.did I mention it's IP based but it uses ISDN lines for outside calls. ISDN ffs

Most places go with Windows for multiple reasons.

>Ease of setup
>More techs with Windows Server experience than RHEL experience
>Native compatibility with O365/Azure shit
>Windows Enterprise support payment plans (actual Enteprise support, not the Indian support) far surpasses paid RHEL support
It just was the standard and will continue to grow as the standard. RHEL just doesn't have enough going for it to really drive a push against Windows.

Thanks. Just checking prices on the sangoma handsets. 60 quid for the cheapest and needs POE. Hmm that's not as cheap as I'd like. It's not bad either but that's going to cost me a lot for the POE switches and they are going to heat up my rack by quite a bit. Know of any other handsets beside POE. I could do wireless with several WiFi networks so they all get clear signal

This plus every bizness computer is sold with Windows professional for plugging right in to AD.

>active directory
You've answered your own question.
AD, Exchange etc have to run on Windows.
Dedicated web/file/backup hosting, firewalls/security etc mostly run Linux.
If your office is like a dozen Windows PCs you have one Windows Server put all your stuff on it.
If each of your offices had hundreds of computers and thin clients separated into multiple networks, ip security systems, iot-appliance-like devices etc you'd have server rooms with racks of both Windows and Linux servers.
t. IT crew in a company with over a hundred such offices

The beauty of freepbx is that you can use any sip handset. Polycom, Grandstream and Yealink are all options. Just make sure they come with power adapters.

Nah, offices and normie tech that has AD as the most advanced service tend to be caught in some ecosystem pipeline; just be glad you don't work in media and have to deal with mac.
Run linux on your own ventures, provide services and overcharge for them, congrats you are no longer the outsourcee you are the outsourcer.

>Install Linux and try it on a client
>"user what is this, where is my Outlook? Where is my excel?"
>Ahh w'well s'sir who makes 6 figures while I do not, this is a much m'more s'secure o'operating s'system that l'lets you c'control...
>"Why are you talking so much user? I just want my exchange email working."
>A'ahh w'well sirr uhh, L'linux d'doesn't s'support Microshaft Jew Platf'form
>"user what did you say? You're fired."

This is what happens to people who hold their ideology higher than what a client wants.

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I work at a bigger IT firm (around 2k people working here)
90% of our servers are linux ones, the other 10% are windows because they run windows exclusive stuff or the admin behind it is an inept boomer who always used win servers for 25 years or something and does not care about change.

Yeah but realistically it's.mever that easy. I'm looking at the most compatible hand sets now and sangoma is at the top. I just wish mycompany wasn't so stingy with the funds but I bet a lot of IT folk feel like that

One avenue you could explore to strengthen your position is demonstrating the cost savings by moving from ISDN to SIP. Calculate how long it will take for the savings to pay back the cost of purchasing whatever you need. If you pull this off successfully you will get a new phone system and brownie points.

Your strawman proves you have either hired a pajeet (((solutions professional))) or have absolutly no idea about so called devops or even budget tier system administration.
Pro tip; everyone wants to hope away from microsofts dick, the problem is they simply cannot just reinstall a system from scratch not that they don't want to.
When a box goes in, I want it in for a possible 10 years and provide exactly what they need, never mind what the fucking "client" tells me they want.

>I work at a bigger IT firm (around 2k people working here)
>90% of our servers are linux ones
How do you control your users? Lets say an employee is fired. How do you control access to that computer or any of the computers with user creds?

>I want it in for a possible 10 years and provide exactly what they need, never mind what the fucking "client" tells me they want.
Nobody tell him that people are still running windows server 2003 smoothly even today.

Outside of my provided warranty,
you payed for 10 years of AD, postfix/dovecot and Asterix - not my problem they're all shit in 2030.
The problem is these copers then outsource IT for what they perceive as a fraction of the cost when modernizing these-days is literately just buying new hardware every 10 years for a 1/3rd of the cost to employ the patch monkey.

>but muh personal experience
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems#Market_share_by_category

OP is retarded as usual.

There are many different options for stuff that is shitty and mono-cultured on windows.
Kerebeos+OpenLDAP with a backup samba AD is recommended these days,
HAProxy and just Kerebeos+OpenLDAP if you got metal to waste.

No. Tablets/mobile devices do not count as a part of a server environment.

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dont know, where are you from, but in Poland it's very popular practice.

In my company we're working on linux, but a lot of people is coming to us to work, and they are shocked because we're using linux.
And sometimes they even argue that they want to use windows.
They gave me cancer.

Is that so? What am I doing pitting Microsoft intune on my users Android phones then?

I mean sure would be cool to see an environment function on only Linux - yet there needs to be a powerful controller to handle users. This would be necessary because people get hired and fired all the time. Can you imagine having 10+ computers where you need to go to each one and put in their user credentials so they have access to the systems? Doesn't it make sense to have it all on one machine that manages all this?

Regular IT guy here. Thanks I'll look into doing it this way

Hah, just joined my office to our new parent company's ad. We're running about 60percent macs here and it's been a fucking ball ache. They would automatically select a domain controller on the other side of the world and take 100+seconds to log users in.

My 1k people Tech conpany just moved from 2003 to 2012 win server lel

OP literally said their customers don't even know Linux, which was my main point. We're also not talking exclusively about desktop computers, which, yeah, are mostly Windows unless it's dev or sysadmin. If the server was running Linux, the 85 IQ mongoloid wouldn't even know the difference. And the point about control goes exactly the opposite direction. Microsoft is in control of Windows, not their customers. With Linux, you can set everything up exactly how you want to.

What's the problem O365 and Linux? I can access it just fine on Linux. And there are actually more Linux than Windows VMs on Azure at this point. Not sure about whose support is better, but you're right about the number of people with experience in either OS. You easily pay the money you save on licenses for a good Linux admin. Of course, there are other costs, but that gets complicated easily.

>smoothly

I worked in several big companies as automation engineer, not once we used widows server for anything.

Linux is a meme
There's no reason to use it outside of being dumb calculators and glorified file servers. There's a reason why Microsoft is worth 1 trillion dollars, whereas redhat got bought for pennies, and suse gets passed around like a cheap crack whore.

I'm the only IT employee at my small business. We are on Active Directory. However, I get a lot of, "hey, make this happen with as little budget as possible", so I have a handful of older server hardware running Debian or CentOS as webservers (apache2, php), fax servers (hylafax), info displays (Concerto), and a couple of other things. User PCs are all Windows, though.

Whats even the point of windows server?
What advantages does it provide?

it's easy to connect with windows office machines meant to be used by dumb office drones

Get off /g until you know the absolute basics you ignorant zoomer. Seriously wtf

Linux has its use case, small business can often run off 1 or 2 windows servers.

Universally though web servers are running Linux.

calm down bill gates

We were talking about important servers. Like the one you're connected to right now.

>Universally though web servers are running Linux.
This is definitely true though. In-office use often is windows server.

i've never worked at a place that used windows servers, even in college it was all linux

Fucking Google it jfc
I own MS shares

>calls others zoomers
>while recommending people use google
oof

>all these OFFICE servers on Windows server
Guess, no one told you what kind of servers run Linux and for some reason you thought about all the servers.
No wonder, why you set up windows servers in office buildings. :^)