Fediverse General

You can get banned on certain seevers and users of those servers will not see you, but you still can create your own server.

What are some lain servers lads
accela.online always does this to me

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Neck yourself shill. No one gives a shit about your shitty social networks.

Yes servers

kys

>actual logo is a gay pentragram
How fucking retarded do you think this board is

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>Mastodon
Developed by a Jew who has openly bragged about his Jewish identity. Also a preachy virtue-signalling cunt who goes out of his way to shun Mastodon instances he doesn't like
>Matrix
Shitty protocol that has only just recently reached its first stable release, clients are dogshit and main one is built on Electron
>PeerTube
Actually not that bad
>Diaspora and Pixelfed
Facebook and Instagram are already cancer as is, creating decentralized open-source versions isn't going to solve the toxicity that currently plagues FB and IG

What we need are distributed networks, not this Fediverse memeshit.

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based
I'm on kiwifarms.cc

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fauux.neocities.org/

fuck off pedo

>censors Jow Forums
>censors anything non-SJW
>bans for mentioning word tranny
Nothing personnel

I learned about it with halogen.city

Didn't know there was so much variety and that they were so advanced. I was expecting something like IRC/XMPP.

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Read over my post and I give a brief explanation of federation. Email is the most familiar example. Its open source/spec, and anyone who wants can start their own email server. You as a user can host your own with one of those LAMP/Docker based things like roundcube/mailinabox, if you have a domain. You can also just sign up for an account from Gmail or Yahoot, or you can check out something more privacy related like Protonmail or KolabNow. They all have different rules, requirements, features etc..based on who is running the service, but they are all interoperable. You an send a mail from a protonmail or kolabnow address to a gmail address and it will work just fine (though you still should be mindful of varied features supported by different servers/clients) Likewise, are you familiar with XMPP? It too is a federated platform.

Now, the "fediverse" itself, related to social media, is as you say a censorship resistant alternative that also grants better privacy, security, and often features. Now, you can be banned from a particular server on a particular service if you're in violation of their rules - same as pretty much anything online including Jow Forums. THat's why its important that you register on an instance you feel you can get along the rules they post. However, unlike being banned from Twitter, if you;'re banned from Mastodon Server A, that does not mean you're banned from ALL Mastodon servers, and an make an account on Mastodon server B if you wish.

The "internal blacklist" thing happened exactly once by the dev of an Android app that doesn't "let" you connect to to certain servers, but the decision was boooed by pretty much everyone and the program itself was forked instantly to get rid of that restriction . Last I heard the latest beta has recanted that decision and there are plenty of other apps to use instead.

The name Fediverse contains a cute little easter egg about who is funding them.

Hm. Seems to show the public one at least for me. I don't have an account there though..do you mean on login ? If you can't even see the public, local timeline then what browser / application are you using?

Mastodon - putting aside your pol-yp like rant about one of the devs, the software works well. There are lots of open source programs developed by people who you may not want to be your best friend for one reason or another, but thatisn't the point.

Matrix - So you;'re upset that a newly developed protocol is newly developed and only recently reached the 1.0 milestone this summer? By all means go and help them polish things if you're so inclined. Matrix works well especially given its scope and age, so I can't be too upset about the fact that some of the clients are Electron based when Slack is applied across so many businesses/organizations and Discord has pretty much usurped the entire gaming/casual chat/messaging space. Things will get polished further in time and with interest, but they're definitely usable now and that's what we need given the way "rich messaging' has been centralized.

PeerTube - Indeed, its coming along nicely but I don';t see where its any different than the other fediverse platforms though which you find as objectionable.

Diaspora / Pixelfed - Just getting the same people onto open source, decentralized versions is a win - it means less power, less data mining, etc... for the big names. There are technological platform improvements that will reduce the cancer/toxicity as well, because they're putting privacy and shit ahead of ad revenue generation and data gathering.

Distributed stuff - Distributed stuff serves an entirely different need and does not handle social media very well for various reasons. Distributed and decentralized/federated software are complimentary, but trying to use the wrong tool for for the job will end in a worse outcome.

Ahh okay, servers. Can you describe what you mean in more detail?

Divers?

No, verse, as in people using their voices silly.

I've been using the services of some pleroma (larger media file limits there plus AFAIK less silly large on the server's end than Mastodon) servers for a while. Works alright.

Your experience will vary greatly depending on which part of that conglomerate of networks and servers you sit in. I went with anime waifu posting servers, they're mostly sane.

I was actually gonna do a thread asking about a good twitter alternative, so I guess I'll ask here, does Mastodon allow you to publish and not get censored like you would on Twitter?
I don't want to self-host as I haven't got the infrastructure and couldn't afford it anyway.
I just want to put some slightly-controversial opinions out there and not get deplatformed like on Twitter.

I was looking at Gab or Minds, how is Mastodon better than those?

Shitposter.club all you need

And then a network which goes against groupthink such as Gab gets banned into oblivion.
Literally no different than the rest.

that's a good one

>distributed networks
Not until we find a good way to moderate CP

It depends, it's decentralised so it depends on which instance you join. Some of them are SJW instances which are bad but others allow all kinds of speech. You can read the rules of each of them before you join them.

So where do i go if i want programming/sysadmin discussion?

Like anything else online from IRC ops and admins to imageboard owners/moderators, the rules on Mastodon (or Pleroma, or GnuSocial etc... all 3 are microblogging Twitter-like and generally compatible, with some small differences between them) are up to the owner of the particular instance (aka node/server). Unlike Twitter it is not monolithic or centralized, so there is nothing in Mastodon's codebase that prohibits you from doing anything - each admin/owner of a server makes up their own rules.

Regarding servers, check out the list on the official Mastodon page (it has options for what you're seeking, what language etc) and some of the 3rd party indexes (like the ones I noted above, which offer info on nodes of all sorts) for ideas. Check out the rules for each one and see if they generally fit your needs. The vast majority of instances aren't going to ban you for controversial opinions and the whole thing is kinda overblown. Did you actually get banned from Twitter (and if so, why) or are you just concerned that it could happen?

Regarding Minds, I'd suggest you keep away from them because they're heavily integrated with a cryptocurrency (in this case an ETH blockchain token), even to the point of not only a premium subscription but "paying out" tokens for content and requiring payment of tokens in order to "boost". In short, its basically designed for monetization, not equitable user access (. Not to mention that pretty much any heavily cryptocurrency/token linked service adds another level of complexity and is vulnerable to manipulation or just plain effects from outside forces.

Since the changeover earlier this year, Gab actually now runs Mastodon as their microblogging engine so they';re part of the fediverse. Its yet to be seen if they contribute to the software upstream. Personally, I think users are better served going elsewhere for a variety of reasons, regardless of their sociopolitical alignment.

What kind of service are you seeking? Microblogging (Twitter style), Macro-Social (ie Facebook style), or Live chat (ie Discord style)? Something else?

Its important to note that its impossible for a node to get "banned into oblivion", including Gab. In the case of Mastodon (and the other microblogging types) there are separate default feeds for a server that users see - a local one (ie public posts all the users on that particular server) and a network one (ie public posts from users on other servers that are federated with the home server). Now, users can of course go and look up any user on any server, friend them, browse any server's feed, make up their own lists of interesting content posters from all different servers.

When you hear about "servers banning/blocking each other" it usually means that they refuse to federate with another server. All this means is that posts from users on those servers won't show up in the network feed . This can be for a variety of reasons from spam, to toxicity, to porn (ie Lots of even so called SJW instances don't federate with Switter or Humblr because their users don't want to see lots of porn or sex work ads in their network-wide feed). If you're a user on my server and I don't federate with server X, there's nothing that stops you from browsing Server X, connecting to users there etc.. if your own accord. My instance just doesn't post public content from Server X users to my network feed.

The "controversy" over this is often overblown. Every server picks which other "server friends" they have. Not being picked doesn't mean that their users can't connect with "non-friended" servers or their users.

cyber-chat-4-people[dot]xyz

Gab really wasn't good about controversial opinions if they're not burger right-wing.

> I don't want to self-host as I haven't got the infrastructure and couldn't afford it anyway.
Shared / container hosting a pleroma/mastodon/... instance would be like $5/month, or less. If all else sucks, you can do that.

AFAIK gab is the only mastodon instance being run as a VC startup, which comes with all the marketing hubris and predatory monetization you'd expect

>What kind of service are you seeking? Microblogging (Twitter style), Macro-Social (ie Facebook style), or Live chat (ie Discord style)? Something else?
Im not really familiar with Facebook style but I'd like live chat or Jow Forums style.

Eh, Gore, actual CP and other crap you don't want to see anyhow generally stays out of view.

You also won't see too many wars and guns and whatever if you stay in the right corners of the network.

Not really any problem at all.

>you don't want to see
>implying

I used to use accela until they went down for like a month. use something more reliable like neckbeard.xyz until they get their issues sorted.

Well, I don't. YMMV.

>JOO
>66
Why don’t Jews want to type Jew when it’s a slur? Is there some rabbinical ruling on this?

Facebook style (aka "macro-social / comprehensive ) means multi-featured friends, postings, different interactions and categories within them etc. Its sort of a catch-all as opposed to the more specific "microblogging" (aka Twitter style short messages" or "image focused" (aka instagram style, each post around an image or series of images) etc. I'm not a Facebook user so I can't tell you exactly what equates to what in terms of Diaspora and Friendica, but essentially they can be used with as few or many features as you ant.

Live chat is probably best to check out the Matrix.org protocol (and the riot.im client ). There are other federated (ie XMPP ) and otherwise distributed/decentralized chat programs, but Matrix has the most potential "modern, Discord-like" features depending on which clients you use. Regarding servers of interest this is a bit harder - you can connect to any of the open/global servers and check out tech channels from there, or see if communities of your interest have an instance they use. Alternatively, if lots of people or a site you like uses Discord for their primary live chat/voip etc.. suggest they try Matrix instead etc.

"Jow Forums style" is possible - there are lots of imageboards out there, many of them running on some variety of F/LOSS software. These aren't technically federated as much as they are basically independent sites, but look at the index of imageboards and you'll find those that have lots of tech focus, including those Lain or cyberpunk types.

Thanks for the info.
As for imageboards, this is the only one that isn't dead.

Happy to help. As far as imageboards are concerned, there are others but many don't move as fast as Jow Forums. Lots of them are specific to special communities or interests. There are lists out there, not sure if any are currently up to date or not. You may also want to check out fediverse.party for an intro to many of the other platforms/protocols.

Most of the traffic here is bots, Jow Forums is actually slow as fuck.

Proof?

Just open a thread. Jow Forums has the most bots but Jow Forums is mostly bots now too.

There's no need for twitter clones, twitter is fucking retarded to begin with. It creates misunderstandings due to word count limits and encourages impulsive posting that leads to SJW shitstorms and flame wars. Instagram is similar in this regard. If you want to send a picture to someone, you can send them via text message or through instant chat programs like Discord.

Social networking is also useless, there's no need to share your entire life online and it only becomes a liability if you do. The only useful social networking are the ones solely for business purposes. Nothing personal, just resume, work samples, contacts, etc. No need to individually prepare shit for each position you apply to, just link that shit and done. What I do in my private life is nobody's business but mine.

Youtube and Discord alternatives are actually useful and I encourage them, but I feel that it's a true uphill battle to get a lot of people to use them to the point where they are actually useful.

Imageboards and traditional forums are the best ways to communicate online. I'd love to have a global megaforum. Similar to reddit I suppose, but none of the integrated social media bullshit like "likes" or upvotes/downvotes. Sort by views and posts. If no one gives a shit about your post, then it'll be buried like it's supposed to. Make it so anybody can make a forum about anything, and you can just add the forums you follow to a view filter, so it'll display threads from all of them together without needing to jump back and forth between subforums like on fucking reddit.

>What I do in my private life is nobody's business but mine.
This was a fine thing when applied to faggots, but we can’t have straight white men doing just whatever in their private lives any more.

welovela.in

What do anons think about nanoboard? Could it be a part of fediverse?

>fediverse
>fe + diverse

so it's like Rust, but more diverse? I'll pass.

it's fediverse, not fe2o3diverse

WHile I in general agree with you, I think this is a bit like the argument in tech that "everyone should use a a FSF compliant Linux distro with a tiling window manager" . Some people think its "the best way to do so", but for the vast majority of people its too difficult, doesn't let them do what they want to do. Same goes for if they ask about how to run Steam or WINE etc.. the answer is "You shouldn't use programs that don't fully respect your freedom! Just forget about them" , but this is a non issue when people have needs for work, games they want to play etc..

Suffice it to say overall I personally am on your side - I'm not a big fan of major social media etc.. but we now have tons of people and a whole generation era that are not only used to it, but depend upon it to a scary amount. Lets not forget that Facebook (and modern social media in general) marked major switch between approaching the Internet as "Don't even put your real meatspace identity online and don't believe everything you read there either" to "Social media accounts with real names and all interactions are centered around these services as trusted".

Thus, the Fediverse alternatives are harm reduction. They offer some visually/functionally similar services to the big names, but they have many improvements. Simply by having users on fediverse alternatives instead of big names (or a next generation centralized proprietary social network that basically does all the same bad stuff again and possibly worse, just as Facebook replaced MySpace replaced Friendster ) is a benefit as by nature Fediverse powered software are better for privacy et al. Furthermore, many of them are developed specifically to get at the worst things of the big names and counteract them - for instance, Mastodon's "boost" feature works different from Twitter's "retweet"in a subtle way that makes it less viable for flame-attention-tweeting; there are other improvements too.

oops out of space

So yeah I started my own instance about 2 months ago and I already got called 'fascist' and 'nazi' by (accounts on) other instances.

It's pretty nice though, gives me something to laugh about and maintain. And Mastodon works surprisingly well.

Out of curiosity why did you get called "fascist/nazi"? And were they focusing on you, the account holder, or your entire server? I'm guessing their servers still federated with you (for the universe/networked listing) as that must be where they saw your content.

It's worth noting that there are lots of instances that seem to be Lain / cyberpunk inspired and in light of the continual frustration with major social media ( this board has at least one angry with Discord thread per day ) it's worth trying something new

I was on that for a while

Is there an easy and cheap way just to make a server for you and your friends?

Social media is cancer and its users are carcinogens. Don't be a carcinogen.

Yeah just rent one of those $5 month vps' and throw up an instance with docker. Literally just works

Yep, that's one solution. There are also specific webhosts that pre-configure your server ready to use for the software of your choice (ie you want a matrix server hosted for you ready to connect and manage, or spin up a mastodon/pleroma instance etc).