Want help? >State budget & CURRENCY >Post at least some attempt at a parts list >List your uses, e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work >For monitors, include purpose (e.g., photoediting, gaming) and graphics card pairing (if applicable)
CPUs >Athlon 200GE - HTPC, web browsing, bare minimum gaming (can be OC'd on mobos with the right BIOS) >R3 2200G - Minimum 30-60fps gaming. 2400G/3400G may be worth to less likely require a CPU upgrade when adding a dGPU >R5 2600 - 60fps+ gaming CPU with great value >R5 3600 - Great gaming CPU >R7 3700X - Overkill gaming CPU >Wait for Threadripper gen3 - Extreme overkill gaming with its larger cache >R7 1700 - Budget production >R9 3900X - Professional tasks
RAM >Do NOT use a single DIMM. 2 sticks for a typical dual channel CPU >CPUs benefit from fast RAM; 3200CL16 or Micron E-die ("AES" in P/N) recommended >AMD B & X chipsets and Intel Z chipsets support XMP
GPUs 1080p >RX 570/580 8GB - Can be found on sale/used for cheap. Look for 570s which are >1240MHz boost >GTX 1660/TI / Vega56 - higher fps / more demanding games; only worth it on sale as normal cost is overpriced >RX 5700 - higher FPS 1440p >RX 5700 - standard, 70-100FPS+ gaming >RX 5700XT - higher FPS 2160p (4K) >RX 5700XT/2070S - budget option. Upscale with RIS/CAS >2080Ti - best for 4K, but poor value
>RX 570/580 stock is becoming limited as RX 5600 launch approaches
General >Yes, adaptive sync (g/free-sync) is important for gaming >HDD are defunct except for servers, NAS, and sub-$400 builds; SSDs are cheap now >Beware sites which rank CPUs by arbitrary, obfuscated scores (eg userbenchmark, passmark, cpuboss), and comparisons which only use averages and not 1% minimums nor framegraphs >AM4 VRMs, Monitors & Storage/SSD guidelines under "more"
ATTENTION: Graphics card prices are excessive by historical standards; therefore, consumers should delay or completely forgo any midrange to high end graphics card purchases. The gouging has two root causes: lack of market competition and shortage/"new normal" pricing during the mining hayday.
If you make a PC with help from us here, post it! I wanna see people actually build instead of some weird LARP where they pretend to want to make a pc
Blake Cruz
If you wait more than 1 year for an upgrade you need, its dumb.
Aaron Price
low end MSI x570's are dogshit this time around, better to go asus.
Adrian White
MSI's ryzen stuff is the best out there supposedly
Isaiah Wood
I also wish people posted builds and build progress, most people just leave once they order. it's so fun getting to see the build we helped user pick out
Lincoln Wright
WHO DO I LISTEN TO?!?
Samuel Nguyen
But I'm just waiting for Nitro+ in my country
Nicholas Ross
absolutely based
Liam Torres
Asus Prime X570-PRO or Crosshair VII Hero?
Michael Rogers
Their B450s and X470 were some of the best. X570s not so much from what I've heard.
What do you want to see user? I'm still waiting on parts but I can post stuff when I get them if you want. Anons here helped me make my build.
Robert Stewart
for x570 gigabyte have the best bios but the good hardware boards are expensive msi have great hardware but horrid bios updates asrock and asus are sort of all arounders at most price points
I would spend a bit more on a nicer board personally, but I'm a buypig
Michael Kelly
not him but I like seeing any kind of progress pics, builds in progress, completed builds you won't get a ton of replies but it really does spruce up the thread and it's pretty much the only reward the people here doing tech support for free every day ever get
Nathan Rodriguez
>I would spend a bit more on a nicer board personally, but I'm a buypig what would you get for a higher price point?
David Lewis
based
Brody Wright
I have a VII Hero. The quirk with this board is that Asus gargles cocks and breaks things with every bios update. My only advice is that when overclocking ram, set the voltage first and reset, then set the timings/frequency.
Justin Brooks
Really? I don't mind doing that when I get my parts. If you guys hadn't said anything I would have assumed doing something like that would be hated because of blogposting/attention whoring or something.
Adrian Johnson
those chink brands are pretty much anagrams of each other
wrong. 7870 was $350. Adjusted for inflation, that's $391. It's only a $9 increase.
The user saying that low-end MSI is bad is correct. Like the MPG, is bad.
Robert Long
gigabyte master in my opinion is the best board of x570, but it's quite a lot and overkill for a 3600. don't listen to me, some other user can help I hope.
I want to build a server for NAS purposes and ability to offload encoding/rendering work to the server. My current gaming machine is an i7-9700k and RTX2070 Super and while capable, I don't like the entire system being locked at 100% usage when rendering or encoding. Is the R7-3700X a good option? I know it's a server I still want it to be relatively power efficient and the 65w tdp seems nice.
Carson Ward
The textures are blurry on the 3GB. It automatically lowers the quality to fit within 3GB.
You retarded troll.
William Bailey
Are the Intel 660p or any QLC drive any bad if they are for storage?
Easton Jones
Picking parts for an overkill build. I hope will last me a 4-5 years. Looking for a good set of speakers to match with this. Just a 2.1 set, but I want something higher end like jbl or klipsch. Any suggestions? pcpartpicker.com/list/9X79TC
John Wood
Any QLC based drives are completely fine if you intend to only write to them once in a while. My friend bought an Intel 660p QLC 2TB NVME drive solely for his game drive. Loading speed times are fantastic but sustained writes to the drive (transferring 50+GB at a time for instance) will result in low performance as it runs out of it's own cache. However for the price, you can get the Sabrent Rocket drives which are far superior TLC based for the same price.
Gabriel Russell
>7870 was $350 And? It was overpriced for its time, which is why it got a price cut to $270 immediately after Nvidia released the 600 series. The 7870 was pretty garbage value at its launch price. Anyway the 7850 was $250, analogous to the $350 5700.
Inflation doesn't apply because it's offset by a variety of factors, like economy of scale
Best value in the 5700/XT 2060/Super perf bracket right now is an already overpriced 2060, let that sink in.
post anything! I wanna see the finished build but updates and parts shots are nice too
Carter Gray
I used to say all the time how I wanted to see progress pics but nobody ever really posts them, people tend to leave forever once they're done and the regulars don't bost their machines
Lucas Turner
>The textures are blurry on the 3GB. Proof?
Nolan Fisher
5700XT Pulse for £400 (~$490) or Red Devil for £420 (~$520)? At these ridiculous prices would I be better off just buying a reference 5700 for £100 less? Currently only aiming for 1080p/60hz but plan on upgrading to 1440p soonish
Aaron Murphy
should I buy a 2060 non super as a "good enough" card to wait for a 3080 ti? I need something to put in my 3950x build, don't have a gpu lying around
Jeremiah Cooper
Alright. At the moment I'd estimate about 2 more weeks before I have everything ready to go, so if I do it, you'll see it around then. I wouldn't normally do this sort of thing, but hearing that the people who helped me make it really want to see it makes me want to do it as a way of giving back.
Jordan Roberts
RAM can go as fast as possible as long as you lower the timings enough right? e.g. default 3000 cl15 can even go to 4000 cl20? Also, would it be better to get something like 3333 CL16, or 3200 CL16 that has a better die? And ballistix sport vs hyperx fury/predator?
Not to sure what else to do with this. I'm going to sit on my i5 and old mobo for a bit before buying a processor. Same with my old trashy SSD. I will be setting up that boot drive though. Any glaring mistakes that might warrant a return? Please disregard the christmas tree.
Joshua Brown
Sure
Daniel Wood
Why do these niggers make the m2 slots less than an inch beneath the PCI slots? Don't they know that a video card would completely obstruct that port? WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT?
The 9900k will age far better than the 9700k. Get 2x16GB instead of 4x8GB. Then you can always add 2 more sticks later if you'd like. Dropped the RAM from 3600MHz to 3200MHz because performance increase from RAM on an Intel system is minimal at best. Dropped the 2080 Super down to the 2070 Super as it's not worth the increase.
Elijah Morris
>I hope will last me a 4-5 years >intlel user...
Julian Reed
>gigabyte That's all I need to say. They're a shit. Asus at least puts their m.2 slot on the bottom right of the motherboard.
Matthew Rogers
I'm sure they just rebranded OEM's, but the amount of brand names that came out of the woodworks when SSD's became mainstream kinda irks me.
I guess it's the pot calling the kettle black, since I have multiple Inland drives from Micro Center.
Still haven't decided if I want a 'clean' OS install alongside my work install, since I download everything under the sun on it, if simply just to try out software. How many of you guys do something similar with your own computers?
Whats up just sharing Watercooled 9900k in a Lian Li PC o11 Dynamic case, xe360 60mm radiator running push/pull on the side. Fucked up cause I was going to use red dragon vega 56 in this rig from my previous one but it doesn't even remotely fit cause of that ddc pump at the bottom. Going to get a vertical mount later and move pump to bottom of case for clearance, red dragon v56 is a very long card. Pretty sure I'm just going to waterblock a 2080ti later. So yeah pic related is a watercooled 9900k with 32gb ram, nvme, and a god damn'd gtx 970.
I do a lot of video editing/encoding/rendering off of my SSD so a shit loads of writes. If longevity is on your mind, get the name brands. Samsung, Crucial, Intel, Sabrent. The last one is an up and comer but giving everyone a run for their money.
Luis Rodriguez
>people are using x570 when they can get a b450 for 100 or under and have the same performance
here, It was a choice between master and ultimate for me, but I chose the master because 1. It was on sale, increasing the price gap and
2. My microcenter didn't have it on hand.
Noah Kelly
I didnt know anybody here actually did custom loop
Noah Nguyen
I feel like there's never really going to be a good spot for M.2 drives, besides as far away from other components as humanly possible.
In my opinion, m.2 has been an utter failure as a standard >mandates you use a tiny-ass screw to keep it in place >Overheats like fuck, yet 90% of drives have zero cooling >Slots are always put in the most asinine places, including the backs of motherboard where they proceed to fry >Lane sharing out the ass
>paying 50-200+ for 10% performance boost if that >getting ass blasted in bios updates while my shit works out the box >not putting more cash into the gpu
Aiden Myers
I'm sure there are some people on this board who are actually into computer mods and not just building a lego version of a gaming build
Zachary Williams
In my defense it is a kit from ekwb, because I was a bit spooked and just wanted to do this build. But now I realize that is fucking idiot proof if you're using soft tubing. I'm going to add another 240 radiator when I waterblock the gpu and probably a d5 pump instead of ddc. I have years of experience working with hydraulics/mechanical things so I'm not sure how much that confidence is translating over compared to someone thats never fitted some hose for oil, but it is really simple.
Hunter Bell
More like >Shut up Ken >You Ryu wannabe >How many fucking times do you have to die before you stay dead
Jaxson Collins
its pretty rare nowadays, custom loop has been dying
thats pretty cool. when my wife and I finally buy a house the first thing I want to do is a huge watercooled setup, one of the horizontal eatx motherboard cases from thermaltake and a bunch of 480 rads
Michael White
just get a pci-e adapter
Henry Hernandez
among average users and small time overclockers sure, aio's have made that part easy but they wont perform as well as a good custom loop.
Andrew Thomas
Exactly, which goes to show that most cards will be unusable before they run out of VRAM. That image is simply an investigation of performance impacts as related to VRAM allocation tests using cards with huge buffers.
Depends on lots of factors, like your monitor, but if you have money to blow why not. Or vote with your wallet and buy the bare minimum as a holdover
I would go B450 if you're competent enough to flash a BIOS, but there are varying theories
Jack Carter
>not having a microcenter
Wyatt Richardson
I also think that the introduction of mobo fans to get these suckers 4.0 ready just adds to the mess.
Alexander Cook
It's called U.2
Kevin Morgan
>In my opinion, m.2 has been an utter failure as a standard >>mandates you use a tiny-ass screw to keep it in place How is this a problem? It's a specific screw. >>Overheats like fuck, yet 90% of drives have zero cooling Many of the NVME drives have thinner copper plates on them (Samsung 960/970 series). And others are now including heatsinks like the Sabrent 4.0 Rocket. >>Slots are always put in the most asinine places, including the backs of motherboard where they proceed to fry Backs of the motherboard are mITX only usually. Asus puts their m.2 slot on the bottom right away from the GPU and other heat causing things. >>Lane sharing out the ass that's part of NVME. They use PCIe lanes.
Jordan Peterson
But you won't get your 4gb/second write speeds that way you faggots
Jace Bailey
>that's a heatsink Correct. A heatsink for the m.2 drive that gets installed in the m.2 port under neath it. As pictured
Robert Hernandez
a video card pops out in about 2 minutes... whats the big deal?
Isaiah Bennett
not that user, but the fact that a drive is buried underneath a hot and heavy GPU. Not good if you want the drive to live. >U.2 I wish U.2 caught on more than just for workstation boards.
Nicholas Campbell
different user, but do you put the heatsink back on after installing the ssd?
Jose Taylor
Thunderbolt 3 is 40gbps so there is no excuse.
Alexander Sanders
That's not a problem, the GPU shroud will be above the disk and not actually interfering with it.
Should be just fine unless you wanted to hotswap them or something.
It's fun. I thought before I did this loop that later I would do hard tubes, but after seeing the advantages of soft tube I am sticking with it. Pretty proud I'm doing push/pull on a 360 60mm radiator in this Lian Li case as well, cause I can't find a single pic of anyone else doing so.
there is a good spot and the MSI B450 tomahawak has it, right between the CPU socket and the PCI-E x16 slot, that way you can put an oversized aircooler like a Noctua D15
Lucas Peterson
Can someone explain the side intake fan meme?
Also if you have a m.2 heatsink should you remove the stickering on the NVMe drive first or does it not actually make a difference?
Dylan Harris
I am I had never used nvmeme before and googled the same question to come to the conclusion removing the sticker doesn't really matter and to leave it on for warranty. inb4 raging autism says otherwise
please rate my NAS/rendering server build. I have a dedicated Dual SAS card for the drives to connect to but PCpartpicker is dog shit and doesn't allow you to add parts manually any more.
it's a troll build or someone with stupid money that doesn't know better. Unless they do nothing but 3D modeling/rendering at all times. >Mfw I built a PC for a guy who makes all his money on Patreon for making SFM/3D modeled porn >mfw he dropped near $10k for the build + monitor and didn't even flinch >mfw found out he makes near $6k a month
I made it have mcafee do you think it's a serious build
Jeremiah Allen
How am i supposed to pick between 100 motherboards that all look the same and have basicly the same name?
Jonathan Collins
VRM and DAC
Elijah Wright
I make about the same as that dude and felt a little guilty spending $3k on mine.
Asher Harris
be that as it may, the guy paid me $500 for what amounts to 2 hours of work on my end. I don't care if he's rendering horse fisting porn, not my problem. Just pay me bitch.
