Does Jesus's death really atone for your sin?

If the price of sin is eternal damnation how does being dead for just three days atone for your sins?
If Jesus really did atone for your sins shouldn't he be burning in hell for all eternity?

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Jesus was only one worthy to conquer Death, Hell, and forgive sins. It a mystery to most, but you have to have faith in order to find the evidence. The body and mind are just tethered to the soul like the leaves on the branch of a tree.

Orthodox don’t believe in substitutionary atonement/penal substitution so the answer is your question is relevant only to false branches of Christianity

Oh wow I guess you out thunk god, well done user!!!

No, he “outthunk” retarded Catholic theology, not true Christianity (Orthodoxy)

Well what do they believe?

Dying in this planet in a physical body allowed Son of God to join our reincarnation cycle, allowing him and those like him to reborn here.
The jews set up the ultimate Trojan horse when they killed him.

Cianide-The Dying Truth

They believe that Jesus’ death and resurrection are about fulfilling God’s promise that death will be defeated:
oca.org/orthodoxy/the-orthodox-faith/doctrine-scripture/the-symbol-of-faith/resurrection
It’s not about sacrificial punishment

To understand that you first need to understand John 3:16, for God so loved the world yadda yadda yadda.
So God's motivation is love for the world but you're right, to an uninformed person Jesus's death seems kind of like a random choice of justification.
First you need to look back to Abraham. Now if you recall Abraham was promised a son and in his old age he got his son, Isaac.
God said Isaac had to die as a sacrifice (this is where most brainlets end the story in their heads). God had also promised Abraham Isaac would live previously, having faith in God, Abraham decided to sacrifice Isaac as asked.
God then sent a ram, which got it's horns stuck in a thorn bush to take the burden of sacrifice.
Later, there's the passover lamb and God is very specific, it needs to be roasted, not boiled or steamed or eaten raw or whatever. Roasted.
Fast forward to the death of Jesus, which happened during passover. Same day you'd eat the lamb.
So it's not really as random as it appears, God had this in the works since Abraham. Now on what basis did God make a covenant with Abraham? Did he actually sacrifice his son? Was he circumcised? Nope.
Genesis 15:6 says "And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness."

The price of sin is not eternal damnation. It's death. Jesus paid the price for us: he died. If the price was eternal damnation, he would still be in hell suffereing. He is not. He rose after three days.
Sin = death.
Sin =/= eternal torment in hell.

The idea of eternal torment in hell is unscriptural.

He died BECAUSE of the sin humans continue to refuse to renounce. Want to renounce the sin that caused jesus to be murdered? Then stop lying. This simple fact is completely missed by 99.9% of merrimutts and others who call themselves christian.

Wow sure is news, politics and current events in here!

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Human sacrifice is the only atonement for human sin

Religion is as political as it gets. Try to imagine America as a predominantly Christian nation that takes religion seriously.

>Does Jesus's death really atone for your sin?
yes, but you must accept it.

>If the price of sin is eternal damnation how does being dead for just three days atone for your sins?
Because the penalty for sin is death.

>If Jesus really did atone for your sins shouldn't he be burning in hell for all eternity?
He was sinless, you only go to hell for your own sins.

>My super specific faith based unverifiable belief is the one true super specific faith based unverifiable belief and all other super specific faith based unverifiable beliefs are wrong.
*Yawn* as if this shit ever goes anywhere or does anything. Might as well argue over which comic book superhero is best.

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The religious beliefs of a people changes EVERYTHING when it comes to political will.
Imagine gay pride parades in a Muslim country, you can't.
But when religion is ignored by people like you, what do you get? You get Canada.

That doesn't make sense. The Israeilites would kill lambs for atonement and animals do not have an afterlife. For our sins to be forgiven the son of God who is infinite took the punishment of humanity of the cross and was resurrected being the scapegoat and sacrifice all at one time. In the ancient tradition there also needed to be a scapegoat. PS. Do not be racist if you are a Christian we are all made in the image of God.

>PS. Do not be racist if you are a Christian we are all made in the image of God.
It's clear God created all the races and each race has individual strengths and weaknesses.

>4444
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there's rules to this shit, here's a simple way to put it

>karma = currency
>man = Too big to fail
>Jesus' death = bail out

>Imagine gay pride parades in a Muslim country
Imaging gay pride parades in a christian country 100 years ago. rly makes u think

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All relgious outcomes are not equal, ergo, some have more merit in regards to its application to reality.

Christianity comes closest to this, you fedora faggot.

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What you’re saying is a Jewish belief.

The wages of sin is death.
All have sinned...EXCEPT Jesus.
He paid the price as the perfect sacrifice. He took our sin on Himself. He offers us a pardon because he paid for the crime. He said, "Tetelestai" It is finished. It is an accounting term meaning the debt is paid in full.

You can trust in His finished work on the cross and be saved, or you can reject Him and trust in your own good works and burn in hell.

To be safe for all eternity:
A: Admit that you are a sinner, who violates the Will of God, and that you need a Saviour. Repent. Turn away from your sin and toward Jesus.
B: Believe that Jesus Christ, Son of God & Messiah, died for your sins and rose again, as prophesied and recorded in the Word of God. Trust in His finished work.
C: Call on His name, ask Him to save you, and confess that He is Lord.

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No you stupid fucker, you will burn in hell for eternity.

>shouldn't he be burning in hell for all eternity?
This is your DNA on khazar, people.

You can literally say that everything influences political will, but that doesn't make everything politics. If this thread was about how religion influences politics that would be on topic. But this thread is discussing an internal topic within a specific religion and does not belong here anymore than a thread about Muslims arguing about the Sunni/Shia divide or Buddhists and Hindus arguing about the use of priests.

Peoples preference for playing video games influences their political views on censorship and gambling regulations but you don't post here about a game you like itself because that belongs on /v/.

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Remember Jow Forums is a Christian board.

Like the solution to the problem of sin has been completely missed by you.

This disregards the fact that politics is literally an obfuscation layer for spiritual warfare

So all orthodox are going to hell? Because the wages of sin are eternal death unless you accept Jesus as your Savior. And all humans sin.

>If Jesus really did atone for your sins shouldn't he be burning in hell for all eternity?
He was dead for eternity.
You're mistake is thinking of time in a linear sense when you are litterally discussing Gods and Demons.
The apocalypse has already happened.
Thats why God knows hes going to win.
Why he knows what your going to do before you do it.
Because you've already done it.
He just choose to come back 3 days after his crusifiction to show he had gained victory over death and satan.

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Really makes one want to read the Bible and see what it says.

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Brilliant observation.

The truth is that Jesus is a cosmic being who exists outside of time. The biblical narrative of the man from Nazareth was literary and an teaching tool that was converted into "history" by those attempting to create an orthodoxy which would empower them as ecclesiastical authorities.

The truth is that the real Jesus sacrificed himself as a prelude to the creation, in order to make room for the spirits to be born. In classical Levantine/Babylonian cosmology, the high heavens are beyond the firmament, and hell - the spirit and demon infested world - is the sky above the Earth.
Thus, the Earth is literally lower than hell, and a prison for spirits worse than Hell itself.

>Shouldn't Jesus be burning in hell for all eternity?
And so, what do you think the creation actually is?

Everything about Christianity is true, except the part where he being crucified is a VICTORY. Imagine if that same story was, in truth, a defeat. Imagine if the holy angels of the transcendent beyond FAILED to redeem the pit of hell.

Welcome to clown world.

This post answers my question.

True.

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.orthodox going to hell automatically
.Jesus dying is punishment
are you ppl for real ?

It is amazing that we can look at countless examples of past or even present religions and laugh together about how retarded their followers must be, yet you can speak this dribble without an ounce of irony.

I was asking a question. Here is the answer...

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Based and orthopilled.

Fuck I knew I should have changed my headwear. I forgot you can completely disregard any need for logical justification if you can just make fun of someone’s attire. Or is that only what niggers do? I forget.

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Read the Bible. He descended into hell before ascending into heaven.

A whole new level of self-flagellation on a cosmic scale, even worse than the gnostic one.

Yes, pagan religions are retarded.

The Bible is a record of what God tried to do for our sake, and also the proof that it failed. Thus proving God is good, validating the existence of goodness, and thus demonstrating our unworthiness to receive salvation. Makes more sense than atonement theories.

There’s an unnecessary word in that statement.

Orthodox explain this better. Evangelicals only learn it in seminary.

Jesus died and went to Hell. In Limbo and Abraham's bosom where there is no punishment he lead the faithful to Heaven and ascended.

NO human could get to Heaven before because they were impure, but the faithful were not tormented in their sphere of Hell.

The purification allows them to come before God.

How/why are Christians retarded?

its a metaphor for the threshold of naught/worth, a state of perfection is already superimposed upon your person you just have to accept it and make it realized

Sacrifice before the Lord was the OT way of getting the people to submit to a higher authority (priests). This was never a requirement of God, period. Sacrifice of your best stock was never required for the atonement of sins - it's a nonsensical proposition. Does God require meat to eat? Does God require your blood to be spilled? Are there OT Saints that made it into heaven without sacrificing?

This was brought into Judaism by the corrupt priests. Those same priests put Christ on the cross because Jesus put this nonsense to rest with his ministry. Jesus taught that the sacrifice needed to attain a spiritual relationship with God was of YOURSELF, not your livestock or crops in the form of penance to the priests so they could use those sacrifices to have a BBQ every Saturday.

Having said that, Christ paid the ultimate sacrifice of Himself; exemplifying that he truly is the only way to God. That way being His perfect example of how to live your life. In other words, self-sacrifice is the path to God. Conversely, self-serving is the path of man/Lucifer. Those that buy into blood sacrifice are literally worshiping Satan.

Open your minds.

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Watch these if you get a chance. They answer many questions about death and the soul.

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Check out these videos on life, death and the soul. They are pretty good and eliminate much confusion with clear scriptural evidence.

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And stop posting disgusting pics and spreading lies. Yeshua's blood is why we are forgiven. Deal with it.

A jew has never and will never perform a selfless act for the goyim.

There are no sins. You don't have free will, you are just watching a dream..

Schizo general

>Does Jesus's death really atone for your sin?
If I don't sin, Jesus died for nothing. Which is weird. Besides, I morally reject human sacrifice.

>If the price of sin is eternal damnation
First, 'eternal' doesn't have a starting point. Second, the idea of transferring sins on to a goat is literally the definition of a scapegoat. Not interested in your scapegods.

> shouldn't he be burning in hell for all eternity
Clever but in the Jesus story he lives a a mortal life among Hebrews and they kill him - isn't this punishment enough?

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Abandon God and God abandons you.
Example: look at what is happening to your country.
Will you will be crying "schizo general" right up until Ahmed stabs you in your own country? Or will you wake up, repent, and go back to your Creator? Time will tell, but you are fast running out if it.

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Theists - fabricating lies and peddling lies for thousands of years.

It was the perfect sacrifice because Jesus was without blemish (as the animals were required to be for the Israelite sacrifices). Jesus was without blemish because he was without sin and perfectly obeyed God the Father "Not My Will But Thine Be Done".

>The Bible is a record of what God tried to do for our sake,
It's an anthology of stories and tales. Some of it might be historical, some of it complete nonsense but most of it is metaphorical. What is critical to remember here is that the believers are willing to kill to please their gods without having the slightest clue what is literal and what is not.

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Jesus came to correct the ways of people worshipping false gods. There is only one true God. Jesus is the son of the true God. Are you really going to sit there and pretend Apollo, a god who carries the sun across the sky in a chariot, is in anyway equivalent to God, logically or spiritually?

Jesus preached love and peace, just because man distorts that doesn’t make Jesus wrong.

>willing to kill
no Christian is willing to kill any to please their God, this is just blatant falsity.

>self-sacrifice is the path to God.
The path to God is Romans 10:9-10
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Only the original one.

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Honestly modern Christianity is in a state. Many common beliefs are contrary to what Jesus himself taught, many aren't in the scriptures at all, and what IS in the scriptures dismantles many other beliefs. It's a mess.

Sin 100% isn't inherited. Jesus prayed to be saved from his enemies and was not cursed with the crucifixion. And most modern Christians follow Saul farrr more closeley than they do Jesuss, which is heartbreaking. Pre-apostle Saul was a Christian murderer, and Post-"Christian" Saul was a proven liar, who was called out by many, including the actual disciples of Jesus. It's a mess.

>the priests so they could use those sacrifices to have a BBQ every Saturday.
Remember when the OT god promises never to flood the earth again? It's because he smells Noah's BBQ. My question is which of the animal pairs were on that grill?

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Atonement is Paulian phantasmagoria, otherwise not Scriptural, save for cruelly ironic humor like "King of the Jews" or "If thou be Christ, save thyself and us".

christianity & co: it's all made up fairy tale COPE

Christ died on the cross for your sins; get over it.

>Believing Saul over Christ
No thanks. I'll take my tuition straight from Jesus Himself.

>no Christian is willing to kill any to please their God
So why were the Serbian christians slaughtering the Bosnian muslims? Why did a Serbian christian trigger WWI? Why were the Irish catholics/protestants killing each other for decades? Why did Gen Boykin claims Iraq was a war for christians to kill muslims to please god?

Lurk moar, shitpost less.

Pretty amazing how the entire world, as it was known to the Semites of the time, was flooded, but others were not. It's also pretty amazing how many other cultures have a flood story.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_flood_myths

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The natural laws were changing due to the beginning of a new eon, and Christ was a representation of this fact.

Did those Christians rely on the Bible? Did Jesus ever teach to attack and kill your enemies?

Matt.5 Verses 43 to 47
[43] Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.
[44] But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
[45] That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
[46] For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?
[47] And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?

>atone for your sins?
you can get drunk but you'll still get a hangover
repercussions exist regardless of atonement

The Paschal Homily explains it, or rather encrypts it:

orthodoxwiki.org/Paschal_Homily

>He that was taken by death has annihilated it! He descended into hades and took hades captive! He embittered it when it tasted his flesh! And anticipating this Isaiah exclaimed, "Hades was embittered when it encountered thee in the lower regions." It was embittered, for it was abolished! It was embittered, for it was mocked! It was embittered, for it was purged! It was embittered, for it was despoiled! It was embittered, for it was bound in chains!

>It took a body and, face to face, met God! It took earth and encountered heaven! It took what it saw but crumbled before what it had not seen!

Think Socrates destroying formal logic and agnosticism on their own terms, themselves perennially associated with illegitimate authority, i.e. "Archons", except doing it at the largest scale, ONTOlogically.

>So why were the Serbian christians slaughtering the Bosnian muslims?
Temporal reasons obviously you dumb faggot.
>Why did a Serbian christian trigger WWI?
Because he was a serbian nationalist? He wasn't doing it to please god?
>Why were the Irish catholics/protestants killing each other for decades?
Temporal reasons not to please god
>Why did Gen Boykin claims Iraq was a war for christians to kill muslims to please god?
Noone has even said this
>Lurk moar, shitpost less.
projection. get fucked nupol.

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Source?

Jesus wasn't even a real person, you Jewish cocksuckers

>pic related

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>Jesus preached love and peace
In the storybook he called a Canaanite woman a dog and withered a fig tree, both unnecessary and trivial.

>implying any of those people or groups were ‘right’

>have faith
I hate this expression so fucking deeply

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>I hate this expression so fucking deeply
Probably because of your jewish DNA.

Awareness of this doesn't make you racist in the true sense of the term. Of course, it does in the modern twisted sense. I've always called it racial realism personally, to distinguish it. It's an awareness of what you've mentioned without prejudiced hatred as a knee jerk reaction. There are good people of all races and all races do tend to have certain strengths and weaknesses as you've said. The mental dissonance was introduced with the whole "eracism"/don't see color thing. This is ridiculous and brands many intelligent people, wrongly, as racists.

Anselm theory of atonement is fucking stupid. Only recapitulation theory makes sense.

It's almost like removing Christianity always opens Pamdora's box...

No, it doesn't. The problem is when removal of christianity does not go far enough, but still holds to certain christian liberal assumptions.

At the end of that story, Jesus ends up helping the woman and heals her daughter.
To explain though, Jews called all gentiles dogs. Jesus was contrasting his idea of non-Jews with those of the Jews that he came to correct. You’re reading this passage too literally.

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*Pandora's

No one is damned forever, just until they repent. This veil of tears is serving as an example of what not to do for the rest of the infinite creation.

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Romans 10:9-10 King James Version (KJV)
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Well, as far as I've read, all major civilizations that practiced false religions were ultra degenerate, actually. I could imagine gay pride parades in all except Christian nations at their peak.