Federation

Nothing wrong with it, I'm a federalist.

Less democratic than our national state.
More corrupt than our national state.
No accountable politicians and more lobbysts than our national state.
More unstable economic policy than our national state.
Worse border and security policies than our national state could have.

Geeh. What are the advantages again?

Most people don't care or don't want it. Only idealistic, naive kids with grandiose dreams believe it will ever happen.

Exactly, MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN

What's so bad about this?

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Not to mention it's regionalistic as fuck. Everyone has to open their markets to other countries and then the French proceed to block Dutch, German and Italian company takeovers.

>I'm against tighter European integration because the current state is too regionalistic due to insufficient European integration

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shut the fuck up

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They haven't given us a single reason to trust them with closer integration.

if you genuinely compare the EU to the Nazi Empire you genuinely have down syndrome. The EU is full of jewish bureaucrats and corporate nut cases, nothing the Nazi's would've allowed, promoted, or enticed in.

populists btfo

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No u

>I want politicians from foreign countries to represent me despite that they never even expressed a single time that they wanted to defend my interests

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I already live in a mini-EU and I have never liked it, fuck spain and fuck europe desu.

>we don't have shared interests, so we should not cooperate and china should just fuck us in the ass a lot

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We'll end up paying for the south. And we'll get even more immigrant shitskins.

We do cooperate. That's something entirely different. Our best allies are the Americans. And we certainly aren't in a political union with them.

But we are in a political union with a bunch of backstabbers.

This.

But wait till I move to Germany.
>I want politicians from different counties to represent me despite that they never even expressed a single time that they wanted to defend my interests

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No, I'm genuinely asking what's so bad about the greater german reich?

>americans frequently destablize the middle east
>millions of refugees flood into europe
>trump just made a neocon warhawk his national security advisor, a man who's had a hard-on for war with iran for years
>"they are our best allies!"

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The Americans have shown their allegiance countless of times. I'd rather be in a union with them.

oh, absolutely nothing lol

>the biggest investors in the Netherlands
>one of the biggest trade partners in the Nehterlands
>we have liberated them, they have liberated us. Military partners for hundreds of years
>based on the same ideological principles of freedom and capitalism
>they never fucked over our businesses

vs

>nation of blood and steel
>that invades us very few years
>floods us with refugees

*every few years
>wants us to change our fiscal policies so they can steal our businesses

>a couple of mongoloid Jow Forums memes just dropped out of my vagina
>again
>whoops

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>oops I ran out of arguments
>better call him Jow Forums

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>moving from based Lithuania to Germany

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Protestants should stay out, only cath/ortodox europe is possible

>how dare you accuse me of spouting Jow Forums memes just because I'm spouting Jow Forums memes

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You're that user from the Swedish generals who takes what he has for granted, right?
I already told you the same thing your pic says. I'll gladly switch places with you. In a couple of years you'll realize your mistake and by that time I will have gotten homesick and have enough money saved up to pay off my parents' debts back home.

>But wait till I move to Germany.

I'll gladly welcome a pro-EU Lithuanian brother.

>Me think refugees are bad, me should inbreed

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Vielen dank, brudi

>how dare you to disagree with German imperialism
>surely German has shown to be responsible nation countless of times
>like ehh during its formation under bismarck, WW1, WW2, the cold war or now under Merkel

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Sweden is going to shit.

>if I keep spouting more Jow Forums memes, I'll definitely rid myself of any accusations of spouting Jow Forums memes
>brilliant!

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But you are the one defending a germoney superstate, Jow Forumstard

So come to Lithuania. I'm saying this unironically.
Hell, if you want, come here with a friend over a weekend. In the end you will probably save some money because of how much cheaper things here are.

>let's join a union where even the constitution is unconstitutional
>as the Dutch and French rejected it in a referendum

what has happened to your German pride?

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stay out of white politics dumb monkey

>stat out of white politics
>american flag

asking for trouble

>
why? Do you want the thread to be filled with mutt memes? I don't think any of us here want that

i know :)

Then why there is americans here? It made me think this thread is open to all races

nvm

just wait it'll be funny they'll get all fucking mad and then post the "le 56% harhar"

Who cares about Dutch and French?

You do

It should include these cunts as well. Well, and should be unitary.

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Some important decisions in the EU have to be approved unanimously.
But every time we have a referendum the argument turns up that one nation cannot stop European policies, while that is precisely what unanimously means.
While the people of other countries are simply withheld a referendum.

Well ok

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Y-you know, I think we should let the former colonies in, as well~

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>What's so bad about this?
Brussels is the capital

And this... IS TO GO EVEN FURTHER BEYOND (dragon ball z reference)

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No.

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What do you suggest? Put it in France or Germany and you'll have people going "ree 4th reich/third empire", Eastern Europe, on the other hand isn't as pro-Federation and the Baltics are the frontier.

Rome is the obvious answer.

>Let's join a union with people who I can't even communicate with
>because almost half of the EU doesn't even speak English

A neoliberal dictatorship under the rule of Germany and America.

No thanks. Anyway this is the last century of Europe. It won't last much longer until the muslims brought by the ruling class destroy the welfare state and the peaceful and quiet lifestyle.

Huh, don't know how I forgot about that.
But that also harkens back to an imperial, oppression-based past.
Even so, if I had to choice a capital other than Brussels, I'd probably agree with you.

nothing as long as we're left out

National referendums on the European Constitutional Treaty

Czech Republic: cancelled; never held
Denmark: cancelled; never held
France: No (55% with 69% turnout)
Ireland: cancelled; never held
Luxembourg: Yes (57% with 88% turnout)
Netherlands: No (62% with 63% turnout)
Poland: cancelled; never held
Portugal: cancelled; never held
Spain: Yes (77% with 42% turnout)
United Kingdom: cancelled; never held
Parliamentary approvals

Idk. I personally find choosing Brussels for the capital of the EU to be kinda weird choice.

Sure it's in an irrelevant country that's exactly between France and Germany which is good.

But, it's in a country which is not even integrated well and the city itself is pretty much the epitome of how the country (Belgium) is divided with French and Dutch.

To me, that just sounds like the capital of the EU is suggesting the EU will not be that much of well integrated organization like its capital.

On the side note, I feel that having the capital of the EU between Vienna and Bratislava might have been good. It's like exactly between 'wealthy' and 'not so wealthy' Europe and both countries involved are kinda irrelevant.

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Well, Brussels is pretty much a visual representation of the failure of the EU.