What do Christians actually believe?

I'm pretty sure that Christology is not the reason for the split between Orthodoxy and Catholicism, but it is why the Copts, Melchites and Assyrians have different churches

Well the straw that broke the camel's back for the schism was the retroactive addition of "and the son" from "[the holy spirit] proceeds from the father" in the Nicene creed.

Catholics believe that Jesus is God in human flesh, but also the son of God
can't speak for other denominations

I don't think that's a strictly Christologic issue. And people overestimate the role of that passage in distinguishing Orthodoxy and Catholicism, Catholic Greek rites don't have the filioque

It's a difficult concept to grasp for most. To put it in simplest possible terms, and bear in mind that this is a matter of interpretation, God is a trinity due to his nature and the nature of the universe itself.

God the Father is from outside our universe, specifically the creator of the universe and "closest" to the godhead. God the Son, or "Jesus", is God made flesh, his avatar on Earth and him through which humanity earns salvation. The Holy Spirit, the third of the Trinity, is most difficult to define; it's His essence which interacts with humanity and nature directly on a personal level.

Keep in mind that although we are speaking of three entities, it is a trinity, and in complete unity and harmony.

I like this explanation

To my knowledge Unitarians would be the only exception to the doctrine of a divine Jesus. It's pretty fundamental.

>>That he was a great man who was inspired by God?
that's the islamic view

We have literally waged wars over this question lol.

>can't speak for other denominations
because there aren't any.

Yahweh wanted to bang some teenage booty, resulting in Jesus who was actually Yahweh himself I swear on me mum

>brown eyes and hair
Literally subhuman.

based

>And people overestimate the role of that passage in distinguishing Orthodoxy and Catholicism
It was the straw that broke the camel's back, as I said. It certainly didn't create the schism by itself.

>Catholic Greek rites don't have the filioque
Well those rites are technically Orthodox aren't they, they just remain in communion with the Holy See.

So God = Father+Son+Spirit

What's the difference between God and the Father?

Could have easily and did mistake you for some Polack

I'm monaco btw.

But this is how I see it.

If you have a 2D universe, a line, then a 3D creature can see the entire 2D universe.
If you have a 3D universe, then a 5D creature can see observe the entire material universe and the entire timeline. God is at least 5D.

Now if a 3D creature puts his finger on a sheet of paper, then the 2D creature would see a line. And line that can appear anywhere in his 2D world, as the 3D creature can simply lift his finger up and place it somewhere else. It's magic. But it's impossible for the 2D creature to see the entire 3D creature. Because you need to be able to see the third dimension to look up.

Imagine if God put his finger in our world. We would only see a part of his finger. But not the rest of him. I think that's what the trinity is. Jesus is a little part of God. Or "the son of God".

"God" is the Father plus the two parts Christianity added. As far as Judaism and Islam are concerned what Christians call "God the father" is simply God. But Christians had to account for Jesus being God too, and the Holy Spirit, which is something Jesus often talked about.

Look at this picture.

Essentially, God IS the father. It's one of his three distinct persons.

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There aint none

Also why did God die for everyone's sin in Israel?

There are so many prophets and self proclaimed Gods that it seems very un-universal.

It makes sense for Jews but not for someone from China or India

1D is a line. 2D is a map, that we can simply oversee. 3D is what we live in, but we can only see one location and one point in time. 4D can see all locations and traverse time, but only perceives one point in time. 5D can see everything that has happened and will happen in the future.

Jesus is God but human
God is the purely divine aspect of God
the Holy Spirit is more vague, but it's meant to be God's continued spiritual presence on Earth or something like that

>It's a really confsuing religion tbqh
Jesus is the son of God , He came in the flesh , died on the cross , was buried and ressurected on the 3rd day.
Why ?
So that the sinless One can give His life to save us .
Whats so confusing ?
You're a piece of shit sinner , God dies for you , you accept His sacrifice (free gift) , you go to heaven instead of going to hell.

(((I))) think you're asking too many questions, goy

Yes. But what makes the 3 aspects distinct?

If Father and God is literally the same, why not just have one single God like in Islam?

Is the father here Yahweh in jew and Allah in Islam? Or is it the god himself?

>If Father and God is literally the same, why not just have one single God like in Islam?

Because Jesus has to be God too. And now that you've got two parts you might as well add in the Holy Spirit.

Retconning. Gnostics had the good sense to make the psycho Hitler Yahweh of the Old Testament a different god from the hippie Jesus.

>Also why did God die for everyone's sin in Israel?
Judaism was a religion built on promises sealed by sacrifices. Every time God entered into a covenant with the Jews, there would be a sacrifice.
Christians believe that God created a final covenant with all of humanity to grant us all forgiveness and eternal life if we follow his teachings, and that was covenant was sealed by the sacrifice of Jesus

>why not just have one single God like in Islam?
Because then I'd have to smell like shit, speak like a spastic and blow myself up in 1st world countries.

Gnostics were the ones doing the retconning. Almost all of their scriptures were written after the canon was established. They're not even apocryphal for that reason.

Now you only have to smell like shit, speak like a spastic and bomb 1st world countries without blowing yourself up.

> give His life to save us
>Was ressurected

An I the only one who sees a contradiction?

>His sacrifice (free gift)
So a good man who happens to be born in Japan and Shinto will have eternal damnation, but some American whore who believes in thier Middle Eastern book will go to heaven?

I don't understand how people actually believe this -_-

>this flag
>this post

Because Israel was the land of the Jews, and it's the God of the Jews that sent Him down to be sacrificed in Jerusalem. It was simply destiny.

Also, just because he died there does not make his sacrifice non-universal. Jesus sent his disciples to spread the word to every corner of the earth, to all nations (races and peoples). If you look at history you'll see this in action, with his disciples spreading the faith as far as India, Africa, and Europe within a short period after his resurrection.

Christianity is a universal religion. The hand of mercy is extended to every man, woman, and child on this earth.

Jews and Muslims don't believe in the trinity, and instead believe that it's all the same across the board. Ultimately it's a disagreement in the nature of God, but scholars can agree that all three faiths worship the god of Abraham.

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also. I don't think that there a line between "gods" and human in christianity. We don't even have a concept of a god. Jeesus is just considered god because he was the first saint. In orthodox church you can become saint yourself if you suffer during your life or do good things. So you can't be half god or half human. You are you, you are human. Your soul can become saint only after your death and people will pray for your soul in churches and ask for help from your soul if they are in need. It's just so happened that jeesus is the most "popular" saint.
It's in orthodox church. I don't know how catholics do all their religion.

>Jesus was just the first saint

Absolutely heretical

He was dead for three days

as to the second part, I think I read once that when you die you get given the opportunity to accept God in your heart even if you weren't Christian. I'm not sure how accurate that is though.

Because even the man in shinto or w/e does commit sin in his life.
>As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one
And the wages of sin is death and damnation.
>But by His doing you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption,
By Gods righteousness you become righteouss , but if you deny Christ there is neither salvation nor righteousness for you because you're a sinner.

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You might as well add as many parts as you want, why stop at 3?

>Jeesus is just considered god because he was the first saint
the orthodox church doesn't actually teach this do they

It wasn't simply that he died. Jesus came to Earth as a being utterly without sin. In his sufferings he took upon him the sins of all mankind, for all time as he agonized on the cross. His sacrifice allowed the wages of sin to be paid, and his resurrection showed the defeat of sin at the hand of God.

This is the central point of Christianity. Only through following Christ, by accepting his sacrifice, can sin be defeated.

well yes. It's not in the book. But religious people choose their "angel" from many options (angel is not the correct translation. I don't know how it will be in english. In russian it's called "пoкpoвитeль" if you are in the mood, you can try to find a translation for that) and they pray for them. People build churches and give them names of their favorite saints so people who pray to this saint can come and pray.
Jeesus is like the main one, the most popular one, the most icons are with jeesus, but he is not the only saint.

Fellow christians, can someone please explain me the based Noah? So, he lies drunk and naked in his hut; his son Ham sees the based Noah and tells about that to his brothers; the based Noah wakes up and punishes Canaan. Wtf has just happened?

The black and white nature of Western religions is so strange and foreighn.

Christianity is kinda fucked up

Christianity is one of the most forgiving religions in the world m8, that's one of the reasons people ate it up
if you follow a set of rules that basically boil down to not being a shit human being then you have eternal life

God is a Trinity: Three Persons that share the same essence. The three persons are: The Father, The Son (Jesus) and the Holy Spirit. God chooses which person to be revealed (or act as) as based on our needs. And I say needs because God's plan is the salvation of mankind. Man needs God to trample death and achieve Paradise (or Theosis as we Orthodox Christians say, that means to be like God through direct contact with him, called communion)

Jesus is unique in that he is both fully God and fully human. Thus he has two natures, a divine and a regular human one. That makes him unique among the Father and the Holy Spirit (both of which are spirit alone as far as I know). Jesus, or more appropriately called Christ (the Chosen) lived without sin and died on the Cross (it was necessary to have a human nature to die), but was resurrected 3 days later (thanks to his divine nature, death has no hold over him). Through this divine passion, Christ defeats death and brings the promise of eternal life for all of humanity.

Christians also use the term "sacrifice" and "Lamb of God" for Jesus. That's because back in the old times the Isrealites would offer animal sacrifices for forgiveness of their sins. Jesus is seen as the final and ultimate sacrifice: Christians do not need to offer bloody sacrifice anymore because Jesus' holy blood was offered on the cross to defeat sin and death.

It's really different concept from God/Goddess in Japan and in Abraham religions. You need to understand the concept of Abraham god to understand it.

So basically in Christianity, the Abraham god embody themselves as the Father, the Jesus and the Holy Spirit.. something like that?
Also what is holy spirit, I thought trinity is all about father-jesus-maria.

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It's hybrid of semitic religion and roman citizen cult (Emperor is god and other of this kind)

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nah, I think Catholics are the only ones who put Mary up on a pedestal actually although we still don't see her as anything beyond a human being

the holy spirit is essentially a way of describing the continued spiritual presence of God in the world. when the apostles were inspired to go out and spread the word of God, they were said to be imbued with the power of the holy spirit for example, which came down as a tongues of fire

you did get the holy trinity bit right though, all three are God but different expressions of him

You have clover, right?
Each leaf on it is a part of a stalk, right?
Now tell me. If a clove is made of stalk and leaf, are they separate? Yes, they are but they make the clover. Clover is used here as a symbol of Gods divinity.

But of God and the father is pretty much the same thing it would mean the clover has two leaves and one clover growing from the clover

You are completely wrong. First Saint, wtf? How can you be so ignorant of your own culture.

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Ah that makes a lot of sense. I always heard that Christianity was monotheism, but the trinity concept made me thought it wasn't.
Much thanks.

>the trinity concept
I meant the way I knew it.

don't you have other saints the jeesus? really?
Do you only have jeesus and that's it?

God and the Father are not the same.
God (that Christians worship) is made of three parts as said before.
Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
Let's put into practical examples
You pray mostly to Father, who listens your prayers and decides whether you deserve it or not. He then sends Holy Spirit that impacts your life (dunno, like burns a bush or smth). Son is in us, he makes part of our soul because of baptism our parents made us take. By this analogy we can overcome any obstacle thrown at us by satan and demons by selfdiscipline and faith that we are not alone (Jesus on a desert for 40 days)

You are mixing up God with the Father.

God is a Trinity, composed of three "aspects" of the same essence. The three "aspects" are the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. The Father is one part of the Trinity.

holy shit look at all these American brainlets answer ITT, its not surprising considering their evangelical mass is filled with nigger gospel (yelling) and cultist garbage.
Jesus was literally the definition of "divine intervention" or simply self insert character you fucking tard.
without this self-insert character, the concept of loving God would fall apart because he'll be perceived as tyrannical ruler who distance himself from its creation thus the act of jesus washing feet and praying.
Jesus was created as everyday man's hero because of that very reason.

These are not Christians but Catholics, some Christians don't believe in the trilogy. See pic related.

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>The black and white nature of Western religions is so strange and foreighn.

Zoroastiran taint. More advanced western religions try to remove it.

*slides across the floor holding up a finger*
Et in Spiritum Sanctum, Dominum et vivificantem:
qui ex Patre Filioque procedit

Zoroastrianism is the only good Semitic religion.

>mormons
>christian

>some Christians don't believe in the trilogy.
And some people say they're vegans while eating beef and pork, what's your point?

Iranians are not semitic.

Jesus = game character
God = a player
Other humans = NPC

N- no! Stop!

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Thank God he doesn't play games like I play GTA

hmm... nice bible you got there... it would he a shame if someone did philosophical speculation to it

>These are not Christians but Catholics, some Christians don't believe in the trilogy
Does not compute.

Christianity is degenerate Judaism that syncretized pagan holidays. I mean for fuck's sake, Easter and Christmas aren't even Christian.

Don't bother trying to comprehend their terrible cosmic fanfiction.

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>These are not Christians but Catholics
Oh boy why I am I hearing this from a hon flag, that's the kind of statement you hear out of the ridiculous splinter sect protestants here in the US like the crazy Evangelicals and Mormons. Don't tell me you swallowed their kool-aid

If you read ancient Greek philosophy you will also come across lots of Christian stuff.

>muhh christians before christ

>hatting yourself
you're no fun

Do you even know who the Cathars were, christfag?

dead

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>syncretized pagan holidays
euroturds christianity

Eurogods religion.

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>religions
There is only one religion as there is only one truth.
Abide by it or be damned for all i care.

So what.
You believe that your toaster has a ghost in it.

Bunch of people had much free time and invented an idea of God. Then also invented all other corresponding ideas like angels, devils, Great Flood, Moses and other shit. Later they introduced including Jesus, apostles and trinity. There always were contradiction in this bunch of fairy tales called Bible, so they spend a lot of time for theology, trying to polish sharp corners so everything fit together. And now we have this inelegant construct called Christianity.

And believers trying to swallow it (and it goes hard) instead of asking themselves: "It's obviously a fake. Why do even we need to believe this?"
Think about.

Yeah there's no point in looking for God , goy. You're just a spec of dust in an endless , vast expanse. Your life and toil has no worth, all you're and ever will be is in vain .
There's nobody to exalt the righteous and punish the wicked.
"Do as thou wilt".
You're no more than a common animal.

He dead for ur sin u should b greatful

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Well you see jesus is like the phoenix who rises from the ashes which is his tomb cause they are dark and black like ashes are. And the truth to whether this happened depends on what you think truth means, is it referring to earth our own reality or yours? Do i think spiritually that the has been passed and live on through many people and thus happened so in that way it did. But i don't like being asked if I believed it happens cause that puts me in a box and my room is already clean so I don't want any more boxes.

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So what? Folklore is nice

>>That Jesus is literally the son of God? As in half-god half-human?
>It's the son of god. I swear. T. Maria
It's the most over blown cover-up by a dirty slut.