Be me. 28 years old

If money was truly what your chasing after you would of spend every waking moment working towards "making it". The fact that you haven't "made it" is because you're not addressing underlying problems that keeping you from dedicating all of your time improving a skill that can bring you a lot of money.

stay strong user, take time off when you need to and realize that those shitty experiences taught you more about business than you realize. reflect on why each venture failed and always work harder on the next one. i can't tell you you're guaranteed to /make it/ but you can't unless you go all out.

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Can confirm. Read Peterson.

this is true, and mainly comes from jumping between ideas. i know that i could get small biz to hire me and run their fb ads, i could charge 1k a piece. then, something stops me, and says no, i should learn programming and build an AI startup, then something stops me and says i should be doing music on youtube, and i cycle between these three ideas never getting anyways until it drives me crazy. its the feeling of being attached to one idea, i guess a fear of commitment, or the feeling of missing out on the other stuff, is what causes this paralysis

thanks user

buying right now

I'm like you, but instead of music, I write stories and draw.
Currently working as a pharmacy trainee for

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man is that your artwork? thats awesome. have you ever tried animation?

The latest Lapps allow you to receive crypto payment for digital content including books, images or articles.

I think creative types will be the first to bypass taxes with crypto (besides drug dealers)

It's my art.
I went to a meme school for animation back in 2009-2011 in San Francisco and quit because it was either end up working for Nickelodeon or work for Disney.
I also got booed out of my business classes for expressing that I wanted to make money and not get an art degree for 'fame'.
Fuck man, I have a 20 page story drafted out for pic related, but seeing as the entertainment industry caters to sjws and autistic trash, I'll never make it.
You and I will probably die Picasso-style and wind up being worth millions after we're dead...

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You got this, OP. Don't give up!

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Please explain Lapps, I bet me and OP would make a killing.

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I am not a creative type. But I am very frustrated at how stupid everything is.

All news is just a combination of paid for propaganda outlets with advertising to people who don't have a job. My time is worth quality content. I am seriously hoping this spawns a new era.

Imagine sorting by WordPress news articles that received the most purchases per day? No clickbait shit. No Pewdiepie shit tier entertainment.

If that is original artwork you seriously need to do something about it user

man your artwork is incredible. you should start a youtube channel and just talk about your artwork, what kinds, and how tos. you would get millions of views, take those views and funnel it in an email list and sell a course on how to draw. there is lots of money to be made in this.

here is some of my music

soundcloud.com/willtheconqueror/boy-from-space-rough-draft2a

Fucking awesome, thanks for the link, user!
Reading things like this give me a shred of hope in these dark times.

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"Making it" at this point sounds like getting your life in order vs becoming some fantasy version of yourself. You should go to church and get some help.

thanks user

Everything needs to change. I'm just finishing "The Sovereign Individual: Mastering the Transition to the Information Age"

Everything will change soon and you will be better off than many I think.

Just keep going.

Your 28 dawgy, just give it another go. It took Alan Rickman till he was mid 40s to get a real acting career started. You'll be just fine just keep trying.

Thank you, I just never have any time to do anything with all my wagecucking to make ends meet. I haven't drawn anything in months and grow more despondent when I see shit like Rick and Morty making millions.
I guess I can cut out my excuses and get to monetizing my shit. I'm tired of letting my talents rot while I make thousands per day for my corporate overlords

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Nice and chill. Have you considered setting up an account with audiocoin? I would be happy to drop a coin per hearing for many artists out there, but right now everything is free...

yeah, all it takes is one video after another, and before you know it, you have an audience that likes what you do

All mine.
I haven't updated in a loooong time, but here's a sample of my stuff:
amishmechanism.deviantart.com/gallery/

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Not bad, I dig it. If I heard it while playing a game or something I'd think to myself "this song is pretty good".

if you're into music or art and want to be involved in something decentralized and badass, i'd definitely recommend Cellarius: cellarius.network/

you basically create the canon for a dystopian sci-fi universe through decentralized curation/voting/whatever

i know once dapps gets big, that could destroy everything and start paying content creators their fair share.

thanks user

nah but ill check it out. there seems to a weird barrier in my head - that i am so used to giving it away for free that getting paid for music seems absurd

thanks, i havent written in a while once my studio went down, but im rebuilding it now. apart of me just doesnt know which path to go, sometimes i think all the options including music are wrong. plagued by indecision

i am going to read the audiobook of mastery by robert greene. i feel that im at a pivotal moment where im about to get success, its just my current ideas give me no excitement, no passion. even music :\. i feel that i was meant for something much bigger and maybe qualities of all those jobs are supposed to meld into something. i dunno, but i feel tha ti will have the answer. i recommend it as i am listening to the free audiobook on youtube

No shit youre failing at life. U cant commit to anything it seems. Just looking for instant gratification. Oening a business is a sacrifice. Its fucking difficult youre just a pussy

reminds me of johnny the homicidal maniac. Try harder to either montize content through social media or try to get a publisher. You probbly havn't even asked. ask 100 and see what happens. What have you got to lose. start an insta tonight.

this.

you can even get it for free if you sign up with Audible via Amazon.

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I have a very similar story to you
>be me 29
> into music since 14
> in college, intern at massive record label (no job)
> play in band, make beats
> make music video
> get 3 songs on TV shows (Fox and 2 other channels)
> get like 300 from each placement, but nice dopamine rush
> start small businesses trying to make it like apps, websites, etc.
> all of those fail
> end of depressed and hate myself because eat breathe sleep music but not where I want to be
> get mixed up with bad people and be in "illegal" situations
> get out of situations
> find crypto, make some gains
> move back home to figure out what to do with life

I am in the same boat as you. Did some cool things, but not like I wanted to. My dreams never came true, and it is a bitter pill to swallow. I also have worked a shitload of jobs.

I bought the Jordan Peterson book. I am also reading a book called The Subtle Art of Not Giving a Fuck and it's bretty gud. opened my eyes.

Basically, I think guys you like and I, there are a few things going on that I have thought about through introspection:

1) We're entitled. We think because we have done all these great things and are SOO skilled compared to our peers, we deserve greatness. Truth is, we aren't as great as we thought.
2) We felt like failures due to harsh parental criticism, so are constantly trying to be successful to please them. Basically, we didn't feel appreciated and thus we chase this as a coping mechanism.
3) Our brains have become addicted to dopamine, making it harder to focus MORE hours to a skill. I'm helplessly addicted to porn and crypto. We need to focus on ONE thing, and get GOOD. That is the only way to make it. Jumping from idea to creative endeavor etc at this point isn't going to work if YOUR MIND ISN'T RIGHT. You're at the bottom now. Time to start learning, and bettering you. This is a good thing that you feel this way, because you are aware of what you need to do to improve. First thing is reading

well said and spot on. i am coming to terms with that fact that even though i can list all those "accomplishments", i didnt actually do shit with them. so thats a good and bad thing, good in the sense that i never actually failed, bad in the sense that i wasted time instead of becoming the best at something. i feel that im at a crossroads now because while i have average skills at almost everything, i feel bored because like you said, no dopamine rush because once you dabble in everything, you automatically presume assumptions about an industry because "you did something with it in that field" or something. like shopify. you immediately think of shopify - you know to find trending niches on canopy, base your store around this in a specific niche, create one pages, run facebook ads to free offers, free offers leads to email management/sales funnels and email management is tedious work. then your brain goes - do i really want to be selling drones and shit? how would my peers look at me if i were selling sewing machines?

i am just stating this out to show the immediate correlation the brain makes that causes this trap, when in reality, it's all in the head. i say i should do music on youtube, but i just dont really even care. the only obsession i really have is mastering facebook ads and making money. i guess i should just sell that and scale up.

>have no creative interests
>see this thread
>become inspired/jealous

It's better sweet. Literally all I'm interested in is financial markets and normies think I'm autistic. I can't draw because tremors, and I don't find music fun, and I'm not am athlete. I spend days learning skills that socially cripple me the more I learn. Kinda sucks mates

Wow this is me. I'm focusing on programming right now as my main thing, putting in about 6 hours per day.

Damn user. All of you guys are reminding me of myself. Except I have no achievements to boot, and little experience. i have thought about it a lot and you're right. I want to prove something I guess, and certainly am entitled and skewed in my thought processing. The lack of discipline is a killer, and stops one from commitment to any particular thing, including relationships and promises.

Somehow I need to figure out how to be disciplined and I think the answer is a simple 'just fucking do it and do it consistently'.

Same boat kinda, joined the military at 23 since I was broke, dead end job, failed start ups smoking weed all day etc but you were smart enough to keep away from debt and not take the easy way out like join the mil. I believe in you user.

don't chase your passion. chase opportunity. -mike rowe.

I thought I was the only one with consistency issues, i just want to take adderall but that’s not the right answer

Buy BAT or BNB if you want to make it big

Yeah man. Truthfully, we have it all wrong.
This video is interesting
youtube.com/watch?v=IIMu1PGbG-0
Somehow, our brains that interpret positive feedback loops are wrong. We have become smart enough to dabble in things yet none of them become fruitful. (as I have as well like you, seriously, music production, releasing apps, music videos, crypto, selling online, creating fashion apparel, etc.) I've done so much shit yet I'm still a piece of shit. I don't know man. I don't know anymore.
I think a good thing right now to do is learn. That's what I am trying to do, with videos like I posted, or those books I put in my earlier post. Something about our brains are GOOD (i.e. good at learning things) but WRONG (i.e. not succeeding). Where did it go wrong? Is it pointless to ponder it, and just let go and move forward?
Funny I am trying that too. Definitely not as many hours as you. What keeps you going to do so many hours? What language are you learning?

I tried vyvanse, it doesn't solve the issue. The issue is mental I believe. It just gets you feeling like you can do shit, but the lack of consistency is just the same, except more intense too. There is no quick fix I'm afraid. May just be physical, but aparently my brain shows no anomalies. Likely purely mental, probably a byproduct of fear of failure, shelteredness, and not wanting to leave a comfort zone.

I wanna figure this shit out, so that I can move forward.

>What keeps you going to do so many hours? What language are you learning?
Javascript because that's where all the jobs are in BC. I want to do lower level stuff but I need to learn what's here.

i feel you and i hope we get through these struggles. i share the same aspirations of wanting to start a company, but am constraint by my responsibilities

this is exactly what i concluded today as my only take away in my "research" aka years of fucking up. and that is, i can practically learn anything in one month due to hyper focus because we have become so good at jumping that we are used to freakishly absorbing info. the problem is sticking with the small details after the excitement wears off. it feels good to start telling everyone your new endeavor, we can make excuses about it not making money because hey, we are just learning in the beginning remember? then it dawns on us that we have shiny object syndrome and that we have to make money with it for proof. we then make a excuse and jump some more. yet we feel a deeper reason for the jump and chalk it up to a philosophical reason or a destiny issue, as if the job didnt align with our purpose, when the answer may be true or false. and we stay in limbo as we jump from trying to find a purpose, to trying to make cash. and lots of alcohol. the more we learn the more things get confusing.

i read that cal newport book last week. it helped some.

which one did you read? deep work?

we all make it in the end. we are very very close

25.Same fucking problem. Everyone in my family sorta looks down on me. To the point that they don't even say it in my face but I know they talk about me behind my back.

All my brothers are successful which I'm happy for but it makes me look even worse..

so good they cant ignore you. i enjoyed it, but even after reading it, taking notes, and applying it to my situation, i still have no idea what the fuck i want to do. i have the entire process and system down on how to make money, yet i dont have an idea on which to do it with.

cal states the idea should follow the 10k hour rule, but how can that be measured? and he used steve martin as an example.

i wonder if our hesitation is reserverd in fear, knowing that we would have to lay it all out on the line and go after one thing, which could very well be an extremely harsh career choice, music or comedy etc. we have thoughts of safe career choices, which would coincide with the 10k hour rule. if your 10k hours is in something "passionate" like music, you have kind of a paradox, dont you?

Do meth

You talented fuck, that's seriously amazing music. Loved it. You'll make it user.

This is nice user. Have you considered maybe selling some commercial music? the kind they put in the background of commercials?

this is nice, if you can make this, you could make commercial. Maybe that could give you more money?

thanks bro, ill share one last song with you if you want. seems to be a favorite for a lot of people. i write/produce/edit all of it

soundcloud.com/willtheconqueror/diamond-rougha

Speaking as someone who has directed the tech side of over 3 startups to success (with a couple failures), you need to learn a lot that school doesnt teach you, and to strike it out alone is a crazy test of all around competence. It can be done but i should write some articles on everyrhing a super professional suoild kjow. Well. Just know theres people like me who care about helping uou guys catch up to the level of extreme competence.

user maybe you could try teaching others on Youtube how to make music from scratch?

I sympathize. This is really the only way. You can only do your best to manage and mitigate these other factors, user. Godspeed.

If you want you can become a normie and decide not to make it and that's fine, too. You can make it 10% of the way. You don't have to be a multimillionaire.

Any tips on where I should focus my studies? I'm starting my own company soon.

i honestly never ever because i never thought it was good enough, so i didnt even try. i always just wrote my own stuff and tried to make it as perfect as possible, sound and composition wise. now that i think about it, its the only thing that i truly love doing and have 10k hours in

this is a great idea, i have the skills and resources to turn that into a biz. i can just share what i know and let it grow from that.

Yeah, build up a following. You can do it user, you have the skills and you seem chill/likable. You can do it bro.

>the only thing I have 10k hours in is reading about history and foreign affairs (non Jow Forums meme reading)
I wish I could monetize this.

you summed it up pretty well. The only way to appreciate life is to accept and embrass boredom.

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> Imagine sorting bby WordPress news articles that received the most purchases per day?

Elaborate on this. It doesn´t have to stay in imaginationland if you lay a good enough groundwork

Maybe create a YT channel where you explain history in an easy, entertaining way to understand? You could research what kids are studying in school and target them. That or history majors.

Drawfag here again. I've probably put about 10k+ hours into drawing and it's the thing I love to do more than smashing vagoo or smoking marahuanga.
This whole thread has got me fired up to make SOMETHING in the form of reward for my talents.
You're good at making music, OP. I hope you too get fired up and figure out a good way to monetize your talents. Getting paid for doing what you love may be a meme, but I'd be comfy becoming such a meme.

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Yeah. For example, assuming I wanted to start making music, I have zero idea on how to start. None. A channel like yours could help me out.

Then I'd become a loyal subscriber. I could buy merch/contribute on patreon/add you in brave payments to support you. That's assuming you don't come out with courses and stuff like that.

If i had to say 1 thing... build a deep understanding of the basics and develop real skills. Like, if you work in IT you better understand symmetric vs asymmetric encryption but practically if i asked u to sftp me a file to my server could you do it confidently in 10 minutes? If you are in hw design its one thing to make prototypes and another to lead a project risking 2M on a company production run where your mistakes can kill the business. Do you want to be told what to do or are you good enough to get stuff done by taking the lead?

You could try making Sci-fi book covers. Draw, vectorize in illustrator or digitize it on Photoshop. Some authors like going for illustrated covers.

I mean, I'm not good enough to do it yet, but I WANT to be good enough to do it.

hire an animator on fiverr, write script, turn it into a comedy series, start a youtube series, build following, sell products

You want my honest opinion? You´re a decent artist, but a terrible entertainer.

You sit here on this Papua New Guinea banana peeling forum complaining aobut succesfull entertainers.

Let me tell you, the world of art and entertainment is about recognizing skill and talent.

If you can´t fathom how Rick & Morty, Skrillex, DJ Khalid and Justin Bieber have made an impact, you have no chance in this industry.

All of them have major talents that you HAVE to appreciate in order to become successful.

Don´t listen to this guy. That´s not how Youtube or any business works now. Youtube is about originality, filling a niche that´s somehow appealing enough to a wide audience without being thought of before.

Making the content actually good isn´t that hard with a good team behind it, and it is certainly not the end of it.

i'm exactly you but in Jow Forums meme reading. Like i spent the last 7 years making the illuminati-merovingian-israelite-iranian-phoenician-lombard-palladist family tree. Will i make it too? pls

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right, that makes sense. didnt see it like that and just recently heard of patreon and that was because of jordan peterson. this seems like a really feasible way to do it. i think a cool position to take would be almost in a bob ross way, cause there is so much crassness out there, but it would be nice to have almost a wholesome channel to show that anyone can make music

hey man, you mind if i use some of your artwork to promote my music? i will use the picture when i upload some of my music to my channel and start getting traffic to it. you got a link of your material?

Yeah but remember that the youtube game is getting hard af. Don't get discouraged, I'm telling you this so you don't give up the first year.

Continue putting up consistent work. It's harder now because of the new limitations they just added for new channels to start earning money but it's still doable. It's just a lot of hard work.

Yeah the 10K rule I think was initially in the Outliers book.
I think the 10K rule is true, but it is slowly becoming a fucking meme.
First of all, none of these reviews on life have factored in social media, where our brains our now wired to instantly feel good, otherwise we feel like shit.
Second, I feel like it's easy to point a finger for a reason for success. I mean, I've spent thousands of hours on music and I wasn't successful. (I guess my success was defined differently. Meanwhile, I am sure there are others that have done less, and they haven't. If 100 people spend 10k hours and 3 make it, they'll analyze the 3 and then draw up the reasons. What about the other 97 that loved it just as much as those 3, and spent just as many hours?
If you watch the interview of Deadmau5 on h3, he straight up believes the universe is completely random.

I think at the end of it all is this: you want to be great. everyone wants to be great. maybe you need to bite the bullet and realize, you're not that great and may never be.

I think it's the millennial curse: We're all fucking delusional and think we're special and are going to be rich.

It's possible that through this realization, you can care less, which inadvertently causes you to be good and become successful (funny how that works). And It's not fear about the 10K hours.

I think it's simply our brains are different nowadays, and when we grew up, the "thing(s)" our brain's attached to didn't bear fruit. Now it's harder and harder to go back and try. meanwhile, you get jealous of kids that the one thing their brains latched onto DID bear fruit. Given we're exposed to that envy everyday through the internet, it creates this negative feedback loop.

I'm just going to accept I'm mediocre. I don't fucking care anymore man. I tried and failed. Maybe I didn't try enough. I don't know, but either way, it didn't happen for me.

I've hired a lot of people and honestly let me tell you 2 things. 1. If you're hardworking, honest, fast learning, and comply to authority (doesnt mean u dont speak up or ask questions), i am excited and want to give you bonuses/longterm security/equity. 2. Businesses just want things to work goddamn reliably. Im actually hiring for a mobile dev and if they know how to make an app that doesnt crash and is extensible, we can work on sprucing up looks and features anytime.

General skills and reliable performance.

We should make a Jow Forums guild, helping each other until we make it. Like, you should maybe give this user a try and hire him or let him prove his talents?

I think you're right, my talents are a niche market vs the sweeping arm of entertainers that have made it big.
That being said, I'm young enough and have enough time left (hopefully) in my life to do what said and just plug away at it and build my own fan base. It took almost a decade for Bitcoin to rise above 4k. I figure if I'm 50 (I'm 30 right now) and I haven't made any following I'll give up.
I'm not really looking for fame, just want people to read a good story and get their noggins joggin about science fiction

I doubt you were learning effectively. This is a common problem. People expect work and time to solve their problems. They fail to take a step back and improve their structural speed.

not giving a shit always seems to be what makes the best decisions unironically. we may not be great at something, but we sure as hell arent dumb, and those rich people that made it arent that much smarter than us and i refuse to not be apart of that club, millenial or not. i am starting to think the 10k hour is definitely a meme and maybe the key to wealth is bashing people over the head until they listen to you

Do you have any advice on how to improve learning outcomes?

I don't mind at all. That's really cool of you!
Sadly the best I have in ways of a website is a deviantart page I set up in 2010...
Give me a minute to set up a new twitter...
This thread should last long enough...

I think you are right, but i also think it's all about being in the right place at the right time. Opportunity windows are very narrow nowadays.

You know. I'd love to if it weren't so goddamn expensively tragic. What have you guys gone to college for? Where are your skills? If i hire a grad im dumping 50K to train them out. It's charity i cant afford on a larger scale. This is why internships are so popular. The rise of the misguided incompetent. The educational system needs a huge overhaul, especially post secondary.

Master the basics. Make every situation a learning opportunity. I can teach you so many product design principles from a simple pen. Material translucency allows ink vision, weight balancing affects ergonomics, 1 handed op etc.. Ask yourself why you're not getting a crash course every trip to the hardware store. Ah hah. You need to be paying more attention to what uou observe.

I feel you user, it seems to be a lot of responsibilities. What make the training this expensive btw? You sound like a good guy. I hope someday you will train a Jow Forumsznessman and that you will make it together

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Dude seriously, recently I bought a canvas print for 350 euro from a local artist around here.

Your artwork is cool, learn how to monitize it. I know jack shit about it, but it probably involves making a digital version of work. Then you print it and find somebody that can make quality wooden frames. THATS FUCKING IT DUDE you can sell the signed canvas prints.

If you had this stuff for sale I would buy one, I dont give a fuck about spending 200 / 300 euro for a legit piece of art. Alot better than the IKEA trash other people put on the wall right ?

eelcovandenberg.com/shop/ Link related: it is the where I bought the print

Keep going mate, I'm 48 and a third year nursing student. Once I get my degree I will work part time and keep on doing what I love - writing, writing, writing. Had 4 books published - got around 1.5-2K for each one.
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