Why do they love imperial russia and the tsarist family so much

>be German
>masturbate to the thought of your 8 year old daughter getting culturally enriched by Soviet gentlemen

Über alles, eh?

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hes turk

finland would have been the most civilized part of Russia

why though? they would have been assimilated in a few generations if forced to speak Russian

If Russian rule is so beneficial, why is Estonia a poor shithole comparing to Finland then?

It was pretty much
>literacy rate

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Finland wasn't annexed by the Soviet Union.
Also, Estonia's really booming now that they are rid of them

tsarist russia and soviet russia arent the same thing

I would say it is mostly because of Swedish Kingdom being a total cunt to Finnish provinces. In Sweden it was common to use periphery to advantage of Stockholm or the local län owners.
When Finnish regions were annexed by Russian Empire, the Grand Duchy of Finland was formed. Finland got lots of autonomy and a new capital which is the capital even today (Helsinki). Towards the end of Grand Duchy era things got a bit worse since Russians wanted to russify Finland but it ended when WW1 fucked Russians up hard and there was a chance to get independence.

>Estonia is a poor shithole
It's not tho? Soviets invested shitton of money in all Baltic states, so they always had it pretty good, and are now recovering after collapse very very fast

Nah. It's just the tzarist government were giant pussies. If they really wanted to russify you they would have achieved it.

Lol. They killed some official when tsar attempted to allow documents written in russian in addition to finnish and swedish.

Imagine what Stalin would have done if shit like that happened.

I never understood why they kept licking our ass so much. 100 years without any attempts to russify and even then they were minor stuff like that

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Giant pussies. Gigantic. Gignetiest.
Nikolai got himself killed because he was stupid.

the only god honest answer you're gonna find itt is the following. during the tsarist days finland (and estonia, and some areas in poland) were the most prosperous regions economically. we had a period of rapid industrialization and life seemed to get better and better. even tho all the people who lived then are long dead, people still romanticize about that period

>100 years without any attempts to russify
finlandization. now shut down your computer and go read a book

>100 years without any attempts to russify
Yes 1809-1905 no attempts
It was just at the end of the empire. Russians couldn't even move to Finland during that time. Grand duchy was basically an independent country. Sad that Estonia didn't same benefits

Sorry, I thought you were talking about the following 100 years. My bad.

>Sad that Estonia didn't same benefits
For some reason they didn't want to live here. Our Russian population was really small. There were more Swedes and Germans than there was Russians.

To be fair Russian autonomy time was pretty sweet. They gave us right to speak Finnish and were not total dicks like Swedes. But enought is enought and and tzar gotta go
. The real Stockholm syndrome is towards swedes I mean come on the life under Swedish crown was a hell. Under Russia things were only shit

>Also, Estonia's really booming now that they are rid of them
LOL have you been there? In the countryside? Holy fuck what a shithole!

Compared to 20 years or even 10 years much better these days. Estonia is better off than Portugal and Greece

>Sad that Estonia didn't same benefits
>They gave us right to speak Finnish and were not total dicks like Swedes.
To be fair, we had Baltic special order ever since Swedish empire so we were better off than you guys.

Russian peasants couldn't even leave their village without permission from their owners (yes, the landowners owned also peasants who were "attached" to the land, it was pure slavery) so how could they even think of moving to Estonia or anywhere? That's why there are few Russian immigrants in the USA or Brazil and almost all of them are descendants of non-peasants or various heretic religious groups that were expelled from Russia.

Actually Estonian countryside is fine. What's really shit there is commieblock districts in cities.

I don't know about the Estonian situation, but it seems it were more or less similar. Russian language was banned, we didn't have to serve in the military, laws, judicial system were from Sweden era and Russian laws didn't apply here
I think it was similar stuff since the administration was more efficient in both places

Not so much anymore. Even Lasnamäe, the most infamous commieblock area looks pretty good these days. 20 years back, oh fuck, you had to carry a knife and avoid crumbling buildings smashing you.

And what's with Poles replying to trolls? :DD Seriously, just don't.

That seems to be rooted in Russian DNA. I've never understood why they want the leaders to fuck them in the ass so much. And like it

*sigh*
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because anything is better than having post revolution russia as neighbour

Mongol-Tatar invasion left a permanent mark on them imho.

I just travelled trought Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania and literally only Lithuania was somewhat not a fucking mess. Seriously WTF get your shit together.

In the early period, Estonia was kept "foreign" to prevent Estonians from creating princes and elites.

Didn't they already have mostly german/swedish nobility and elite?

Pics or didn't happen.

Yes we did.

>only Lithuania was somewhat not a fucking mess.

Glorious Polish influence

But jokes aside, Estonia is really catching up, you can find a lot of places there you couldn't say they're any different than Finland. Unlike Latvia, which doesn't look western even in nice places. I've yet to see a house in Latvia without a fence in the frontyard, which is common in Estonia.

Among many other things, even the Baltic architecture was destroyed by the soviet influence

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>even the Baltic architecture was destroyed by the soviet influence

Well, not really. More like Soviets built a lot of commieblocks they pushed Russian immigrants into, but native Estonians live mostly in cozy wooden houses and new houses pop up like crazy in the suburbs of Tallinn or Tartu. One day Russians will leave Estonia and their slavblocks will be demolished, that's all.

>slavblocks
It was a frenchman's idea that a lot of countries picked up. Not exclusive to ussr.

>they're any different than Finland.
nigga plz

>Unlike Latvia, which doesn't look western even in nice places. I've yet to see a house in Latvia without a fence in the frontyard, which is common in Estonia.
Dunno man. All looked like same in Estonia and Latvia. In Lithuania they atleast paint their houses and things _look_ nice. Also people are not total cunts. To be fair Latvian beer and food is fucking amazing but there is nothing good to say about Estonians which brakes my heart they being finno-ugrians and all

Russians saved Finnish culture from the Swedes by elevating Finnish language to be used in administration and higher education and culture. Also they gave us autonomy, our own money, postal office, military etc. All in all, Russian rule was light years ahead of Swedish rule and best thing to happen to Finland sans independence.

>Elevated Finland from a colony to an autonomous Grand Duchy, with the Russian Emperor also being the Grand Duke
>Invested in industry and infrastructure and even mapped the entire country
>Gave us our own senate, currency and even our own military
Basically turned us into an actual country with the head of state just being the Russian Emperor, this binding us into their empire

Then they tried to Russify us and so on. Despite raping, pillaging and killing us for centuries under Sweden, they were unusually nice to us under the autonomy. They did more to us in less than a century than what Sweden did in over 500 years

But we don't want back. Russia is Africa-tier when compared to modern Finland

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For the Russians it was just a classic russification technique originating from the tsarist days. They deported tens of thousands of ethnic Estonians are replaced them with Russians. They feared that natural migration would lead to Russians assimilating in our culture so they created hubs where Russian language was dominant. Commieblock is perfect for that purpose.

The historical irony is that they actually thought giving Finns and Estonians the right to use our languages would lead to us being russified. What happened instead was national awakening kek.

Gommunism is a helluva drug
Russia hasn't still recovered
That's what you get for killing all your intelligentsia

>Commieblock is perfect for that purpose.
More like easy and cheap to built for people moving from rural areas to cities. That's why every western country has commieblocks. Sweden would be the prime example
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Million_Programme

And that's why Russia didn't had influence there and Germans Knights took it.

>More like easy and cheap to built for people moving from rural areas to cities.
Nope. The ones built here housed immigrants. Approximately 80% of commieblock residents were foreign workers. They built commieblocks and vastly inefficient industry. In return they got jobs and apartments. When it all collapsed... we got ghost towns.

>Not exclusive to ussr.

Yeah, the idea of blocks was not exclusive to the USSR, but quality of Soviet buildings was so low that they didn't meet any Corbusier's standards. Blocks per se are not the problem, Finland also has a lot of blocks. But there is a reason why "commieblocks" are so different from their western counterparts.

>nigga plz

pic related is a random new neighborhood from Tartu, how is it any worse from Finland?

>All looked like same in Estonia and Latvia.

Totally not true.

>Also people are not total cunts.

Being a cunt or taste of beer has nothing to do with the level of development.

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>More like easy and cheap to built for people moving from rural areas to cities.

But it was necessary only in cities with heavy industry that were meant to have big population, Estonia was never like that. This country's economy was always based on "hi-tech", be it 19th or 21st century. Sure, Russians tried to build big factories and mines there, but it was against the natural path of development of Estonia, that's why they are ghost towns now.

Estonia is so small and sparsely populated, that every citizen could live in a detached house in the suburbs and still could reach the centre of the nearest town in max 20 min and even public transport would work well. Estonia would be the last country on Earth commieblocks would be necessary in. Even despite big Russian immigration and Russian attempts to force urbanization, Tallinn's population is less than 500k, if Estonia followed it natural development model, there would be probably less people in this country, but they would be much, much wealthier per capita.

A lot of Finns spoke Swedish in the past. There was a reversal language shift throughout the ages.

FYI Latvia IS Estonia

Is it true, that Russians helped Finns to revive finnish language?

>pic related is a random new neighborhood from Tartu, how is it any worse from Finland?
Looks like normal shithole couyntryside in Finland. But yeah good to know that with EU moneyz is atleast used some semi decend housing most of the country is still shithole. I hope someday Estonia can afford to build their own shit without my tax euros

It just came the administrative language along with Sweden.To alienate from Sweden and make a Finnish speaking elite. Same reason they moved the capital from Turku to Helsinki closer to Russia

>private houses built with EU money
What is the reason you are so buttmad?

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Yes it is. Under Swedish rule if you speaked Finnish you could legally be killed by anybody and your property would have been seized. The Russians gave us freedom to speak our language not officially thou but the percecutions ended which eventually lead to point where our language was officially recognized by state

Maybe the fact that I am paying your infrastucture and not you who lives there?

t. angry neetshit

>Looks like normal shithole couyntryside in Finland.

So at least you admit Estonia looks like Finland in newer parts even though you denied it so fiercely before. Great progress.

>But yeah good to know that with EU moneyz is atleast used some semi decend housing most of the country is still shithole

1. No one builds private houses with EU money
2. I'd say most of the country looks decent now

>own shit without my tax euros

Did you forget that in the 1960s Finland was the poor guy and unwanted cousin in Scandinavia? You cleaned Swedish toilets, worked in their factories and drove their trucks to make a living, you were a laughing stock for Swedes. Have some sympathy for those who are in the same situation now.

But anyway, your English is so strange so I doubt you're a native Finn, they usually speak English almost as natives. I think you're a pidorashka in Finland or simply with a proxy.

We love alexander the second because he treated us great, gave us all kinds of new rights and developed finland. We hate nikolai the second because he tried to russify us.

Because they gave Finland autonomy

If anyone's interested in the faith of our smaller brethren:
>eki . ee/books/redbook/

>1. No one builds private houses with EU money
Why yes they do. I fucking saw the billboards "this road is payed with EU fund" "this housing is build with EU funding" and "This is renovated with EU funding"

>Did you forget that in the 1960s Finland was the poor guy and unwanted cousin in Scandinavia

No I don't forget that shit. Please remind me again who actually funded those houses, roads and fucking everything in here. Protip it was us and OUR taxmoney and hard work. Nobody gave us a fucking cent. Only thing which we got that USSR machinery which they left us after we payed our war preparations which were fucking huge. And thanks Russia about that but end of the day you got your share multiple times

And yes we did go to Sweden and USA there is literally nothing wrong with that. Atleast we did not filled up their prisons and do massive crime in there like Estonians do in Finland.

>English is so strange so I doubt you're a native Finn

haistappa vittu. Ei sillä en minä ole suomalainen vaan sawolainen mutta tokkopa sinä suomalaisia heimoja tunnet varsinkin kun suomalaiset tapettiin sukupuuttoon. Olkoonkin että maa päätettiin ristiä heidän nimellään. Kveeni olis paljon makeampi nimi tälle pläntille mutta minkäs teet turha kai tuota on vaihtaa

TL;DR fuck you Poland and fuck your shitty country and fuck you complaining Finnish persons English you know English is not an official language in here faggot

>id you forget that in the 1960s Finland was the poor guy and unwanted cousin in Scandinavia?
Tbh there wasn't much difference during 60s
t. other finn

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>Why yes they do. I fucking saw the billboards "this road is payed with EU fund" "this housing is build with EU funding" and "This is renovated with EU funding"

Yeah, roads are. Old houses in the old town too. But private houses in the suburbs are not.

>Nobody gave us a fucking cent.

But you got independence from the USSR. Believe me, EVERY eastern European nation would take it over any EU money.

>Atleast we did not filled up their prisons and do massive crime in there like Estonians do in Finland.
>Estonians

These "Estonians" in Finnish prisons can't say even two words in Estonian language.

>you know English is not an official language in here faggot

Sure, but Finns usually speak English very well. That's why I think you're Russian. And I can't even check if your Finnish text is correct or not, there is google translate you could use.

I don't know about GDP, but this is a fact that a lot of Finns worked in Sweden that time.

His Finnish is also extremely peculiar. I haven't met a Savo Finn in my life, but anyway, he claims to be from there.

>but this is a fact that a lot of Finns worked in Sweden that time.
That's right, but it was more like due to unemployment in early 70s. And it was just 7% which would sound low now :DD. Back then Sweden was pretty much the best country on earth so it made sense. Everyone was "poor" compared Sweden. But the gap wasn't nearly as drastic as eastern europe and western europe 10 years ago or even today.
And we're still the poorest nordick nothing wrong with that :DD

>Finland was the poor guy and unwanted cousin in Scandinavia
Not poor, but unwanted still

>Yeah, roads are. Old houses in the old town too. But private houses in the suburbs are not.
Yes they are I saw them. Yet again -60 Finland was standing tall by it's feets 15 years after WWII and huge war preparations. What is Estonians excuse for handouts?

>But you got independence from the USSR. Believe me, EVERY eastern European nation would take it over any EU money.

No we did not. While it's true that Lenin accepted our independence it took one civil war and 3 separate wars to get it so I would call we fucking earned it. It is not my fault that you did not earn your independence

>These "Estonians" in Finnish prisons can't say even two words in Estonian language.

Why yes they can. You know why? Because they would not be Estonian citizens if they would not pass the riggit language test which they have there for earning that citizenship

>Sure, but Finns usually speak English very well. That's why I think you're Russian. And I can't even check if your Finnish text is correct or not, there is google translate you could use.

Voi vittu mikä pelle mutta mintäs muuta vois odottaa slaavilaiselta varttiryssältä saatana. Mykyrokka tai ärrän kierrän orren ympäri ässän pistän taskuun googleta siitä ja kato miten kääntäjäsi sekoo homo!

>I don't know about GDP, but this is a fact that a lot of Finns worked in Sweden that time.

Why yes they did. Infact I have cousins in Sweden because my uncle went to Sweden to _work_. Note _to_ _work_ not to _do_ _crime_ big difference.

>What is Estonians excuse for handouts?
We don't need an excuse. It's part of the great unification project of Europe you silly silly poster. And btw by 2019/2020 we become net contributors so relax your balls you wont have to pay straight out of your pocket to build roads, houses, hospitals, factories and all that other stuff you personally financed.

Christ, is that really where that face came from?

Uh oh Western Europe including Germany was fincanced by the USA with the Marshall Plan. USA said Estonia is illegally occupied by the Soviet commies and stood by that, even the Finnish TV in Estonia was a CIA operation. Finns should quit whining about Estonians, they literally sent hundreds of Estonians to die by Russian bullets into their heads after fighting for Finnish independence. Just because they were Estonians.

The government could transplanted colonists if they wanted to. They couldve deported half the finnish population to kazakhstan or the caucasus and replace them with russians

Btw I'm nearly 100% sure that idiotic poster is a Russian who grew up in Estonia and moved to Finland with his family.

So how much Finland got $$$$$ from Marshall Plan?

Protip not a cent because we were not part of. But hey good to know that leftist commie YLE was part of CIA. You always learn new lies from Estonian poster.

>Everyone was "poor" compared Sweden. But the gap wasn't nearly as drastic as eastern europe and western europe 10 years ago or even today.

So now Finland is one of the best countries on Earth and in many rankings it is exactly the best country on Earth.

>But the gap wasn't nearly as drastic as eastern europe and western europe 10 years ago or even today.

Is it Estonia's fault? You know it's not.

>Yes they are I saw them.

You couldn't. Ok, certain projects like installing solar panels on a house could be co-funded by the EU but not the house as a whole.

>What is Estonians excuse for handouts?

Estonia is only 25 years after it got liberated from communism that was far worse than WW2 in terms of destroying the economy.

> It is not my fault that you did not earn your independence

You wouldn't get shit without German support.

>Because they would not be Estonian citizens if they would not pass the riggit language test which they have there for earning that citizenship

The regulations about citizenships were eased comparing to the 90s, now its easier to get the Estonian passport for Russians.

>Why yes they did. Infact I have cousins in Sweden because my uncle went to Sweden to _work_. Note _to_ _work_ not to _do_ _crime_ big difference.

Estonians also work in Finland mostly. Black sheep happen everywhere. I'm sure there were Finns in Swedish prisons as well.

We never got any moneys from USA marshal plan since Soviets didn't allow. Just most of 50s paid war reparations to USSR instead of building the country.
Most parties were however funded by CIA and USA almost fucked us over in 80s since we built submarines which were more advanced than USA could built and sold them to USSR.
Finlandization goes deep even these days there's no need for that.Russia is not USSR anymore

Who is this they, you mean OP? It wouldn't happen to be based on mostly Finns you see posting on imageboards because these places are full of freaks, edgelords and expats.

Finns do have some sort of Stockholm syndrome going on from their Finlandization process creating few idiots, but they are pretty Russorealistic nation as a whole.

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Meneeks tunteisiin varttiryssä? BTW tässä suvussa on enemmän hautoja kaivettu sodissa isänmaanpuolesta kaatuneille kuin sä jaksat laskea että mitäs jos lopettaisit tuon turhan pelleilysi. Mikäli se oman maasi rakentaminen ei kiinnosta ja vika läytyy aina Venäläisessä kehoittaisin kasvamaan hiemaan ja hankkimaan työn jolla makselet veroja joilla sitten voit rakentaa vaikka sitten niitä teitä tai sairaaloita ettei mun tartte sitä tehdä sun puolesta.

Tiedätkö muuten että niin mummoni ja molemmat ukkini jotka olivat sodassa eivät syyttäneet ryssää kurjuudesta. Mitä he syyttivät olivat niitä jotka ruikuttavat työnteon sijaan. Siitä erottaa slaavin suomalaisesta. Suomalainen tekee slaavi ruikuttaa. Kumpiko sinä tahdot olla?

Googleta siitä

>Is it Estonia's fault? You know it's not.
Never said it was. There's at least 2 different finns posting. A lot of Finnish companies made a lot of money investing to Estonia which profited both

Don't blow your cover, FSB agent

Wanting to be left alone is not about "x-realistic". Ew, having to share two nationalities.

If they were "russorealistic", they woud be in nato already
Also I doubt Russification and Finlandization had much effect on them. It seems like they just want to stay netral as a whole, like Austria

Because they annexed a part of a country that's institutions were lightyears ahead in legislation, education and in economy, that combined with hardliner protestantism and the best way to handle such a province with already ingrained anti-russian sentiment is to go easy on them, to soothe them off and realize the potential in that. So the Tzars saw Finland as a testing grounds for heavy industrialization, minority laws, liberalization of the politic scene. Only when hardliner pan-slavic nationalism hit Alexander III and Nikolai II the dumb fucks thought it was a good idea to russify the only place with literate enough populace to understand what was going on and protest against it.

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Being in NATO is actually neutrality towards Russia. Countries that are not in NATO are usually rooster puppets and fifth column in Europe, even if they pretend to be neutral. This thread is the best proof, "neutral" Finns spread disgusting russophilia so I want to puke

Don't be hard on the Finns, everyone knows they're not neutral. They are less neutral than Austria.

>Because they annexed a part of a country that's institutions were lightyears ahead in legislation, education and in economy, that combined with hardliner protestantism and the best way to handle such a province with already ingrained anti-russian sentiment is to go easy on them
Strange, finns itt say Swedeish reignment had been worse than Russian reignment(prior to Russification ofc)
What should I believe?

No. Swedish was a administrative language spoken mostly by the elite, similar to Latin in Middle Ages and French in 19th century Russia.

hahahahaha it's a swollen ball sack hahahahaha

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More likely we were naive to think that Russia would become some what reasonable country in the future. Now it's kind of late
Most Finns oppose NATO due to USA, but many are for EU army. Makes no sense