There are people browsing this board right now that genuinely and unironically believe in """god""" or some other kind...

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>have a conversation with my dad
>mention some philosophical piece and how it relates to Christianity
>instead of hearing his ideas on the matter he goes on a 30 minute rant on how jesus died for our sins

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No other country has religious people like the USA faggot. Everyone in your country sucks ass. Look at "Kekistan". It does not exist outside of America. The atheist fedora thing is only American.

You are the problem, not religion

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christcucks are ravaging the cunt you stupid faggot, there is no comparison to persecution of religion in some other shithole in another time and the cushy den of faggotry they carved out in modern america

they rave about purity and morality while cheating on their wives and pilfering the meek, stopping sex education, and promoting anti-intellectualism

meanwhile the instant these cockroaches get triggered and something enters their safespace the religious right get all pissy about "muh small government", oh but government needs to be big when I want it to enforce my religious beliefs

>bawww these retards did something bad a century ago halfway over the globe so just let me keep promoting my christ-flavored brand of retardation

hang yourself my dude

>if you're not a Christian you're a commie
That's not a convincing argument for anything outside of the USA.

normies here don't give 2 fucks about religion, the only place you'll see italian christian loonies is really remote shithole villages in the south

can't possibly imagine someone being this retarded and indoctrinated.
lmao

We unironically have the most extreme christians in Europe. But they arent that common. They stick to their own cities.

Atheists are always liberal socialists and moral relativists. You cannot be a moral absolutist and be atheist because you have no higher power to draw your morality from.

You're a simpleton.

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>liberal socialists
No. No! Stop! Bad mutt

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Ahahahahahahahagagagagavagha
Link?

Captain Sweden to the rescue!

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that has to be the most retarded sentence I've read in 2018

how does one become a christian extreme edgelord in the netherlands?
I can understand some backwater shitholes with 0 education like eastern europe or south Italy but the netherlands? Unexpected honestly

That's a Finnish commercial, Muttelangelo.
Can't expect anything more from someone who uses the term "liberal socialist"

> Magnets make you an atheist and make you like immigrants

A-Are magnets magic jew stones?

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begone mutt

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>he can only reply with retarded images
typical religious mongoloid
lmao

when you can't make a good point or have a good argument all you can do is insult the opposition

They have their own towns and cities. Which contain entirely indoctrinated communities. Households that often don't have television. Where people still wonder where you've been when you didn't go to church.

They also have their own political party, that wants to ban women from voting / becoming a politician and let the Netherlands be ruled by the bible.

>dumb bible belter receives his federal-funded dollars to finance his shithole state's poverty, then goes on the internet to crusade against people who express a negative opinion of religion

you literally can't make this shit up lmfao

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Helluntailaisuus on kehitysvamma.

What does being an atheist have to do with morals?

sounds like some far cry 5 shit

For all that is my life, how fucked i am in every way, that i am dumb as shit, ugly as sin and haven't had a friend in forever, i refuse to believe all of this is just the spawn of random chance.
I believe in God because it's the only explanation to why literally everything about me and my life is so fucking bad that doesn't make me want to cry

jaa

Atheists have no morals

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are you serious or just shitposting?

I am as dead serious as anyone can be.

Shut the fuck you filthy sp*c, don’t you ever insult Allah (PBUH) like that

do you pray to God? Do you love God?
if so, why? Isn't he the one that orchestrated your life to be so shit?

what does your life being shit have to do with being religious?
are you legitimately implying you wouldn't be religious if you had friends and weren't ugly?
you're a fucking idiot m8

Children there don't get vaccinated because they believe that faith will protect them against diseases. And getting vaccinated means your faith isn't strong enough. And if you get sick then that's god's will as well.

>Allah (PBUH)

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Go get your asshole ravaged by a nigger, you huge faggot.

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Because that faggot masturbates to traps and watches anime all day. He does not obey God at all and has never even read the Bible. Why would God answer his prayers?

Also: Job.

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I pray before meals and so, there aren't any churches near me so i pray some time before i go to bed too.
Well i believe that God made it this way because of a reason and it makes me calm, i find peace in that even though to me it seems bad somewhere there is a reason for all that is happening.

>magnets
Kek.
>Adverse effects of TMS are uncommon, and includefaintingand rarelyseizure.[7]Other adverse effects of TMS include discomfort or pain,hypomania, cognitive changes, hearing loss, and inadvertent current induction in implanted devices such aspacemakersordefibrillators.[7]
Double kek. I have to admit that the test subjects are either very optimistic or very poorly informed.

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fuck this is exactly what happened here some years ago when there was a huge scandal when people didn't want to vaccinate their kids since they thought it caused autism and that jesus would be enough
it all stopped when the government made it mandatory to vaccinate after several schools in the south got an influenza epidemic and one kid fucking died
if it makes you feel better good for you I guess, but why do you think God made you this way? What is the reason for your suffering?

Well, nobody believes it causes autism here. It's pure religion.

I don't know, but i know it is for a reason, a know unkown as it were.
And because it is beyond me, i sort of forget about it while i try to better myself

Honestly hating on religion is just about as stupid as you think believing in it is.

what are you saying?
that sentence on it's own means nothing.

Because whats the point in hating on it? your not going to change anything antagonising them is just going to drive them to double down on their beliefs, the world is already becoming more athiest anyways.

Hating on religous people and thinking god is a stupid idea is one thing, but then going on and calling them stupid is fucking retarded. Its pointless and it comes off as insecure at best. you didnt argue why it was stupid or anything. Your not going to change anyones mind and why would you want too, its a personal choice.

Im not religous or anything but being athiest is fine but being anti thiesm is stupid as fuck.

>being so fucking mad you can't even put together an argument, just a picture of voting statistics attached to your post

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Does every Italian home not have a crucifix and a framed picture of Padre Pio on the wall?

it isn't stupid to openly hate religion, all you need to do is read the comments of the dutch and the italian in this very same thread and you'll understand that religion and religious people damage society, they shouldn't exist.

my grandparents' house does yeah but my parents' and mine don't
mostly old people homes have them

Hating all of religion just because their are a few bad ones, doesnt make sense. Like their are tons of religions and even more interpretations of them. Their are definetly bad apples like Catholicism but again theirs different interpretations of them. I think religion, when used improperly, can be hated sure. But when people just have a belief, that brings them comfort and a sense of meaning or understanding and maybe they incoporate that into their lives sometimes, obviously within reason, why chastise it?

give me an example of these "good" religions.

I already said Im not religous, and thats not an arguement.
I was mainly saying interpretations of religions can be good, saying an entire religion is going to be defualtly good (or bad) is stupid, thats what I was saying

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Christianity.

The Catholic Church has been the bedrock of modern western civilisation since its inception; providing the largest international means of charity, artistic and cultural patronage, and universally applicable theo-philosophy. Even today it runs the best schools in my city, gives urban kids an option outside of gangs and lethargy, and acts as cultural reinforcement to many communities. A lot of the criticism I'm seeing seems like it would be directed specifically to American protestant fundamentalists. There are not a lot of those in Chicago.

except these religions follow a "sacred book" of sorts, or something else, there's always a set of rules.
there's no way in which you can interpret christianity in a "good" way when the whole thing is based on a retarded fake story they claim is true, it promotes ignorance and intellectual stagnation.
it doesn't matter if this retarded religion gives them "moral values" and they feed the poor once a week.
it's wrong.

Fake?

*imprisons Galileo for his absurd idea that the earth rotates around the sun*

xdddd
ATHEISTS BTFO'D

yeah, you conviniently forgot raping little kids and imprisoning and torturing scientists for being heretics.
not to mention all of the other horrible things christianity has done like the inquisition.

>sign contract saying you won't promote this idea
>get under house arrest for breaking contract
>told you can continue research safely
>spanish inquisition declares magic/witches do not exist
>200 years later protestants still stone people for being witches

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>he haven't experienced anything paranormal
Well you are from Argentina.

Even if it is a fake story who fucking cares if someone likes it?

On what grounds to anti-thiests get to judge religions? what makes you think you have the right to be against them?

Their are set of rules, so what? if that makes someone feel closer to god or just help them so what? like not eating a certian food, what about that do you dislike, your not the one being forced to not eat from something. And not all religions follow some book, and all the ones that do have vastly different interpretations of that book. For example their are loads of people who view stories like Noahs arc as a myth who believe in god. not all of them, most of them dont, think that everything that happened in their holy book is trye.
Your promoting ignorance by saying people shouldnt be allowed to be religion, their are millions of people who have contributed to society who are religous, infact I once read somewhere that that even drives people too religion, like studying philsophy or sometimes even a science.

The only thing thats wrong is saying people dont have the right to believe what they want or live their life in a certian way, as long as it doesnt inhinder someone elses rights to do so too. Some religions do do that yeah but not all, Im not arguing for any certian religion Im saying broadly, they arent wrong.

What fake story? The backbone of Christianity is the story of Jesus of Nazareth, who existed. We know he was a Galilean Jew who taught throughout Roman-occupied Judea and was crucified in 33 AD. The apostles existed, Pontius Pilate existed, and Christianity became the largest religion on Earth. Holy Communion was taken on the Moon by Buzz Aldrin. Countless men achieved great things because they felt inspired by the story and the message it brought them. Mouths are fed and the naked are clothed through the Church. Scholasticism is a monastic tradition by the way, so intellectual stagnation is not an issue. Doctrine is revised where necessary through Papal Bulls and Church addresses. Bad things happen too. Kids get molested and people get shamed for using condoms and all that. But that isn't what the message is. The message is; Do good works and love one another. No ideology has fostered that as much as Christianity.

*burns extremely pious girl who defended france from invaders because she was a woman*

Those were the English, who are Anglican. Anglican Church is inherently contrary to Christianity.

*lets you pay your way to heaven with indulgences*

Seems like evolution's will as well.

>universe doesn't believe in god for 13 billion years
>humans start believing in god and get smart
really.... made me think.....

>On what grounds to anti-thiests get to judge religions? what makes you think you have the right to be against them?
based on the fact they oppose progress, they want to instill laws like not alloweing faggots to get married based on their "religious moral values", moral values that nobody else can have if they're not religious.
if you think the sheer existance of christianity isn't harmful for society then you're retarded.

>what about that do you dislike
anything that opresses people, like I said above, they have many of these beliefs.

>For example their are loads of people who view stories like Noahs arc as a myth who believe in god. not all of them, most of them dont, think that everything that happened in their holy book is trye.
these people are not religious, they're spiritual, very different thing.

>Your promoting ignorance by saying people shouldnt be allowed to be religion
no I'm not, sects and cults shouldn't exist, they should be outlawed, they all promote ignorance and intellectual stagnation.

>their are millions of people who have contributed to society who are religous
being religious doesn't mean you can't contribute to society, it means that you're supporting something that does more harm than good.

>The only thing thats wrong is saying people dont have the right to believe what they want or live their life in a certian way
they have their right to believe whatever they want, they don't have the right to make a cult around it, give it a name and congregate to spread their nonsense.

>The Council of Trent instituted severe reforms in the practice of granting indulgences, and, because of prior abuses, "in 1567 Pope Pius V canceled all grants of indulgences involving any fees or other financial transactions" (Catholic Encyclopedia).
>One never could "buy" indulgences. The financial scandal surrounding indulgences, the scandal that gave Martin Luther an excuse for his heterodoxy, involved alms—indulgences in which the giving of alms to some charitable fund or foundation was used as the occasion to grant the indulgence. There was no outright selling of indulgences. The Catholic Encyclopedia states: "[I]t is easy to see how abuses crept in. Among the good works which might be encouraged by being made the condition of an indulgence, almsgiving would naturally hold a conspicuous place. . . . It is well to observe that in these purposes there is nothing essentially evil. To give money to God or to the poor is a praiseworthy act, and, when it is done from right motives, it will surely not go unrewarded."

That was regional corruption on part of the Germanic clergy and at no point in time was it a practice of the whole Church in doctrine or act.

*gives official permission to the spanish king to torture and massacre fellow catholics, the knights templar, because they were inconvenient*

do you seriously want me to start listing all the horrible things christianity has done?

also, it's a fake story, do you genuinely think that christ walked on water, turned water into wine, came back to life and all of the other retarded shit christians believe he did?
do you think there's an omniprescent, omnipotent god?
if you do then you're a retard.
the whole thing is fake, even if it's based on some historical figures, the story is not real.

Are there any ath*ists here? I'm going to beat you up.

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how do you even know that?

based

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Yeah, SOME religions do, your painting them all with the same brush, just as many dont support them as do.

Your oppressing their views by saying their wrong by defualt even if their interpretation is really liberal

Now your just moving the goal posts, they follow a religion, their religous, your basically saying everyone of x group I dont like is one thing, but if I like you and your part of x then your not actually part of x at all.

You never said anything about sects or cults, you were just commenting on god and religions in general. And like I said before millions of people who have and still do contribute to society have been religion and some of them have even been motivated by it and influenced by it, helping them do so.

Why? why is someone who wants to live their life a certian way doing more harm than good? so your saying someone going to church every sunday does more harm than the good of the benefits it has to that person, where is society involved? why is society harmed by someones belief in a god? if anything Id say anti thiesm does more harm than good, your trying to take away a part of peoples lives, that they like just because you view it as hindering some sort of progress.

Most religious people keep it to themselves or maybe talk about it to other people like them, you just seem like your projecting now honestly. Again your moving goal posts by changing your definition from all religions to bad, to a platitude, all cults are bad,

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>Ur oppressing their view
stopped reading right there

That was the French king, Philip IV. Spain did not exist at that time. I think you're referring to Pastoralis Praeeminentiae, which was a Papal order to let investigation and subsequent trials to take place and for Templar assets to be liquidated by the Church. All of this was due to the pressure and corruption on part of King Philip towards Pope Clement. Most of the Templar leadership was killed in Paris, where the Papacy had no influence.
>With the last of the order's leaders gone, the remaining Templars around Europe were either arrested and tried under the Papal investigation (with virtually none convicted), absorbed into other military orders such as the Knights Hospitaller, or pensioned off and allowed to live out their days peacefully. By papal decree, the property of the Templars was transferred to the Knights Hospitaller, which also absorbed many of the Templars' members. In effect, the dissolution of the Templars could be seen as the merger of the two rival orders. Templar organizations simply changed their name, from Knights Templar to Order of Christ and also a parallel Supreme Order of Christ of the Holy See in which both are considered the successors.

It was a shame and a tragedy, but the Church does not pretend it wasn't. I rebuff every point you make and you immediately switch to a different one.

*burns Tyndale for the heretical and diabolic act of trying to translate the bible in english*

And thats your right to do that.
Im not going to say your an idiot for not reading it. Thats kind of my point.

>Yeah, SOME religions do, your painting them all with the same brush, just as many dont support them as do.
I asked you for examples of these good religions a few posts back and you didn't answer.

>Your oppressing their views
the only thing I'm opressing is their "right" of spreading retardedness.

>Now your just moving the goal posts, they follow a religion, their religous, your basically saying everyone of x group I dont like is one thing, but if I like you and your part of x then your not actually part of x at all.
yes, if you don't follow a religion like it's written you should, then you don't belong to that religion.
quite simple m8.
if you believe in the catholic god but you think that everyhting in the bible is a myth (which it is), then you're not religious, you're spiritiual.

>You never said anything about sects or cults, you were just commenting on god and religions in general.
yes, I was complaining about religions.
religions are cults.

>And like I said before millions of people who have and still do contribute to society have been religion and some of them have even been motivated by it and influenced by it, helping them do so.
and like I said before being religious doesn't mean you can't contribute to society, it means that you're supporting something that does more harm than good.

>Why? why is someone who wants to live their life a certian way doing more harm than good?
by spreading their nonsense and ignorance.

>so your saying someone going to church every sunday does more harm than the good of the benefits it has to that person, where is society involved?
I never said that, I said that their supporting something that does more harm than good.

>why is society harmed by someones belief in a god?
it isn't, it's harmed when they take part on a cult and their rituals and try to spread this cult.

>Again your moving goal posts by changing your definition from all religions to bad
what the fuck are you talking about?