How are Lenin and Stalin remembered in Russia? As well-intentioned but failures? As evil dictators?
How are Lenin and Stalin remembered in Russia? As well-intentioned but failures? As evil dictators?
Caleb Stewart
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Ryder Jones
Yes
Aaron Miller
Stalin is well liked in russia iirc, I guess same goes for Lenin
Noah Davis
stalin is treated like a god in russia, not sure about lenin.
Luke Taylor
>Stalin is well liked in russia iirc
That says a lot about Russians.
Gavin Thomas
No. Stalin disappeared from everywhere in Russia, especially in Moscow where is he is nowhere to be seen.
But Lenin is still everywhere.
Leo Bailey
>Positive views of Stalin among Russians reach 16-year high, poll shows
>A total of 46 percent of Russians expressed some kind of positive view of Stalin in Levada's poll, the highest percentage of positive answers since Levada began asking the question in 2001. Thirty-two percent said they had "respect" for Stalin, while an additional 10 percent said they had "sympathy," and 4 percent said they had "admiration."
>On the negative end of the scale, 12 percent said they viewed Stalin with "distaste," while 7 percent said they feared him, and 2 percent said they hated him. A further 22 percent said they viewed the former Soviet leader with indifference, while 10 percent gave no answer to the question.
David Walker
Did you ever go to Russia?
You live in the west ffs, how can you believe any of what Russia is all about
Lincoln Roberts
too
Jose Stewart
ok good to know,
Henry King
I guess the poll is lying for no reason then, surely your personal experience is much more accurate
Dominic Powell
hot
Cooper Martin
Are Russians unaware of the irony of treating communist leaders as superior to other people?
Gavin Jackson
do you treat people you admire as superiors?
Aaron King
Russians haven't recovered from their love for authoritarianism since the Mongol conquest. Muscovy oppressed them, Russian tsars oppressed them, Soviets oppressed them and now their oligarchs oppress them. They don't know any other way of living.
Oliver Walker
Controversial, just like Founding Fathers, I suppose.
I think Stalin is looked upon more favorable of the two, since he modernized USSR and won ww2, instead of destroying Imperial Russia and losing ww1 like Lenin did.
>Levada's
>2001
In to the trash.
Jace Hernandez
It's from 2017, as you would know if you could read.
>Reach 16 year high [..] started in 2001
Noah Robinson
Personality cult seems to come with being humam or less educated at least.
Landon White
I'm not sure you're in the position to laugh at others.
Poland is in eternal cuck spiral towards European powers. Always being their good boy and beta orbiter, only to be discarded and betrayed again and again, yet always ready and willing for more. Sad!
Jace Johnson
today, without any irony polls and official data is just as unreliable as an anonymous opinion on Japanese cartoons forum
Hunter Cook
The problem with polls is nobody under the age of 60 answers them.
John Collins
I think the problem is that polls are bought and sold
Grayson White
>Sad!
Boy oh boy, don't you wish your shill army hadn't supported Trump so hard lol :)))))))
Ayden Davis
>or less educated at least.
Or the too "educated" which is what we see being shat mostly out of the non STEM studies.
Christopher Diaz
>implying anything would've changed if Hillary would've won
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Jace Cook
>Controversial, just like Founding Fathers
Only retards who fell for le misunderstood savages meme have a negative opinion of the Founding Fathers though.
Jordan Cooper
Nobody remembers Lenin, he's a subject of jokes at best. Ironically, there're probably more statues of Lenin in Russia than there are statues of any other person in the world. Hell, probably more than all of them combined. Not to mention streets, squares, parks, districts, libraries, ...
Stalin is really mixed and any discussion on him is a can of worms with fanatics on both sides.
Henry Bennett
FF were terrorists who rebelled against the crown, though.
One could draw the line between then and ISIS even.
Blake Foster
Who do educated people worship in America?
Xavier Sanders
Sure
Ayden Davis
was going to post this
nothing to do here anymore
their own egos
Jonathan Ross
They're both seen as national heroes but while some will say that means Russians have a serious case of Stockholm syndrome and others will say that means they really were great leaders, I think that just shows modern Russia is such a terrible country even tsarism and socialism look good in comparison.
Blake Sullivan
>having respect, sympathy or admiration for a psychopathic manlet dictator
what the fuck is wrong with people
Brody Price
He was a great man and did a lot of good things for his country. Most bad stuff about him are made up lies
Austin Ramirez
yeah, just like with hitler.
Fuck off. Nothing good that happened in Russia needed him or his murderous antics. Abominable monsters like stalin deserve no adoration.
Isaac Foster
>muh 1000000 gorillion
Mason Robinson
retards lmao
Wyatt James
>pol infographics
>r*ssian statistics
I bet you think ww2 started in 1942, too
Ethan Watson
don't (You) me or my son ever again, kamelåså faggot
Xavier Hernandez
Yeah, statistics made up by enemies in the west and dissidents are totally more reliable, right?
Asher Perez
Sebastian Cooper
Yes. Yes, they are.
You have no idea what you're talking about. I merely hope you will grow out of your retarded fantasies and never get to experience them.
Jacob Evans
I don't know how everyone can just believe that 20 million died in Russia and 60 million died in China without anything happening. It would be total collapse for those regimes. Regime changes happened for smaller things, economic disasters too, not to mention the favor of the people, war morale, and all those things.
Elijah Davis
No you're just butthurt about Soviets so your biased mind swallows every shit west feeds you with no problem. They are the ones who had no idea what they were talking about, but who cares, right? Even if you know they are liars at least they lie in your favour
Andrew Morales
Regime changes happen among those that already were inside the regime
trust me, communism or capitalism doesn't matter, we KNOW about failed popular revolutions
only those with power can grab power
Jace Evans
Sorry kid, but history is not as nebulous and malleable as you'd like it to be. You're defending a nightmare that people literally died trying to flee.
You'd do well to reconsider if that is something worthy of looking up to.
Hunter Jackson
Every time I hear a brain-dead 20 something year old defending russian communism, I pray that at some point in their life they get enriched with a gulag experience to the fullest extent. I have no sympathy for you croat user, go starve yourself to start the journey.
Caleb Jenkins
look at this triggered nazi lmao
William Phillips
>if you don't praise GodMarx then you are with the natzees!
Oliver Evans
>i'm not a nazi, but...
Jaxon Jenkins
it's not genuine movement.
love for stalin is heavily promoted by the state
Evan Bell
Old Russians are the most brainwashed people on earth, they probably have relatives who were killed by Stalin but they still glorify him and all the other communist leaders. Young Russians are apolitical though.
Connor Lopez
wow look at you proving him wrong, just wow
Thomas Gutierrez
Russians are retarded.
Cooper Lewis
cringe
Josiah Long
No. The state despises bolsheviks. They promote the WWII victory cuhlt, but that's it. Outside of WWII Stalin is despised
James Perry
volga german here
only known victim of stalin was the cousin of my grandma
stalin loved volga germans, he put them to warm siberia, in order to not be badly affected by war
hence now the ceo of the largest company russias is volga german
Brody Barnes
Fuck Stalin!
There is only one true Ice cream brand
Evan Lee
Every time you turn your back
He raises his hand in a nazi salute
Adam Wright
reminded me of this gem
Leo Brooks
care for a pizza with that mein friend?
Luis Edwards
forgot pic
Ian Evans
>wannabe nazi tryna speak german
cringe
Zachary Perry
Ich spreche fünf Sprachen faggot kys
Justin Perez
nice google translate you nazi
Hunter Davis
There is a Lenin street/avenue etc in every fucking city.
But. No evaluation of his action presented in media.
About Stalin, there are different opinions but most of people like him. Media shows him as guy who saved Russia.
In order to understand why people like him you need to understand what Russian people want. They want a great empire and he gave them it. Any other stuff is not important
Adrian Ortiz
Any germs here?
William Rogers
bydlo always need a pastux, i see
Justin Anderson
He crushed nazis Any romanian, hungarian, poles, baltic, or germns here?
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Julian Morales
> random people from cities in east european countries dropped off in Siberia and their homes replaced by ethnic russians
Humanitarians indeed
Adam Foster
>inb4 "but he defeated nazis! and he has the best stats on autismwar!"
Cameron Perry
Then do Russians hate Gorbachev?
Joshua Lopez