There's only like 800,000 Spanish Americans, and a lot of them are descendants of Mexicans who got stayed here after the Mexican-America War (who for some reason call themselves Spanish instead of Mexican).
Meanwhile other Southern Europeans like Portuguese, Italians and Greeks number in the millions.
400 million latin americans claim.spanish. descent, 800 million speak spanish/portuguese
Also spain was as developed as the US so they had no need.
Spanish people went all over the Spanish speaking world.
You also don’t find Spanish communities in Europe as sizable as for example Italians or Portugese
This was spain in 1950
Spain had a horrible destructive war though, which historically always boosted European migration to America
They also had large scale rebuildment and economic expansion
100% of spaniards own their own home thanks to franco
Franco also made sure most Spanish people with a degree got the hell out of there.
Not really, they could afford comfy lives as engineers and such, their wealth would be prettu identical to other countries.
Immigration out of franco was non existent many republicans immigrated back to spain.
>Spanish people went all over the Spanish speaking world.
This.
I have family both in Chile and the US, but most Spanish migrants went to Latin America instead of the US, so actual Spanish Americans are pretty rare.
I was told anyone with half a brain left Spain during that time
Salary of engineer in madrid is 44k euros.
Lol no.
Anyone with half a brain would come back to Spain, get employed, get their housing, job, and wife.
Franco spains population was on rapid increase from economic advancement.
Every 10 years franco pop grew 3-5 million.
1990 is when population got fucked
No, the most important migrations happened in the XIX century because this place was a shithole due to constant civil wars and unrest and late industralisation.
They did move to America in massive numbers? The last majority of Latin AMERICANS are descended to some deree from either Spaniards or the Portuguese
vast*
We helped kill off their empire. This probably affected their decision to migrate elsewhere
>todos estos españoles y mexicanos con banderas americanas hablando entre sí
I once asked a very eleborate question about that on /his/ but they couldn't come up with a good answer.
I still wonder why the European powers didn't consider the USA attacking another European country as overstepping their boundaries.
They were right. The spaniards who stayed were complete brainlets, that is why this country is so shitty.
So you're a poor Spanish peasant. You can't read or write, and never had a proper education. There's no future for you in this country so you're going to gtfo, let's examine your options:
>You can move to Latin America which had a decent standard of living back then, speak your laguage, was culturally catholic, shared basic customs with you, were generally positive towards you etc
>You can move to America, which is wealthier but not modern day tier wealthier. You have to learn a language from scratch, get used to extremely foreign customs, prepare to get treated like shit by the locals for being too Dago looking.
Where do you move to?
>But peasants weren't the only ones emigrating
Sure, literate people went to France.
damn they look like a set for thomas the engine train.
It was back on KC. A French bernd from Toulouse said that during those times crossing into Spain felt like crossing into Yugoslavia or eastern-Europe after the wall fell.
Historically, we've always prefered staying here than moving out and when we moved to other places it was mainly in Latin America when it didn't have the problems they have today.
Why no Spanish people stayed in Bajes-Paisos???
>Latin America
>Decent standard of living compared to Spain
>no problems
What did he mean by this?
> that during those times crossing into Spain felt like crossing into Yugoslavia or eastern-Europe after the wall fell.
It still feels that way.
Lots of immigrants to south america and central europe though
>How come Spaniards never moved to America in big numbers?
but they did. specially in Galicia and Andalucia wich had the main ports in Spain.
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Compared to the Spain of the fifties, yeah, Spain was a huge massive shithole back in those times. Anyways, It is still a shithole, less shitty, but a shithole after all.
You mean like around the time of the 80 Years War? Simply, because of two reasons: there weren't many Spaniards there and Protestantism.
Though there are cases of people who simply stayed there either because they had enough money to settle there and live humbly or because they were soldiers who deserted.
I imagine the rest of western europe was too busy carving up africa to care
A french faggot red.
During Franco, only Valencia, Pais Vasco, Cataluña and Madrid were developed. The rest stayed being a torn shithole.
It must have been an alarming event. I mean before that the USA was usefull in the sense they kept the British busy but seeing how a former colony suddenly got imperialistic admirations must have waken some people up.
>pais vasco
IT'S EUSKADI TA ASKATAZUNA,madrid scum.
Latin America was ok back then and Spain was third world tier poor because wars and shiet.
Vasconia, Vascongadas, whatever the fuck they want to be named.
The demand for labor in the industries france built in pais vasco and catalunya helped migrations settle in those territories for less regionalism.
Europe wasn't so united back then, and the USA made sure to back their attack with fake media (as they always do) claiming their ship was sabotaged by the spaniards before anyone even had time to check.
>its okay to invade because they blew our ship
>its okay to invade because they have weapons of mass destruction
>its okay to invade because they have terrorist
everything for the economic benefit of the US
Franco
I'm always surprised to hear that Basque territory is the richest region in Spain by some metrics.
Well they messed up big in Cuba, the place they first invaded became a Soviet missle silo a century later.
If you want to be a patriot, have 20 children, educate them all, that will greatly enrich the state with more population, workers, soldiers etc...
Basque country is rich because Franco developed its labor intensive industriea to facilitate migrations.
Tell me more
Both catalonia and the basque country developed industries in the XIXth century, and backed up by protectionist laws, destroyed pre-industrial manufacturies such as Linen in Galicia, while doing very little to improve as they had no foreign competition
Catalonia and Basque country developed under Franco prior to franco catalonia and basque country were nothing but rural irrelevant areas, catalonia was a bit more urban but no widespread industries
Basque country is only rich because they pay taxes only to themselves. That's why they don't really care for being independent anymore.
>Central Europe
Really?
Are there any Spanish descended people in the Netherlands from those times?
You have no idea what you're talking about, mutt.
Yep.
That's a hard question. Keep in mind that the 80 Years War ended in the 1600s when the Netherlands became independent. It could be possible that someone has some Tercio ancestry but they wouldn't even look like Spaniards at this point.
Must be since we have people like this in our genepool
What was basque country in 1930?
No. They already were developed. At the time of the II Republic, Asturias, Cantabria, Madrid, Vascongadas and Barcelona were the most industrialized parts.
Funnily enough, before that, Extremadura and Andalusia used to be the richest ones.
>Really?
All of Spain's metallurgic industry, for starters. The strongest business owning class in Spain behind Catalonia's with a conservative, nationalist ideology
Maybe because in Spain they always had an idea that Spain had better opportunities than south America?
Immigrabts in south america were promissed land so maybe soaniards didn't think it was useful
Millions of Portuguese? I literally only know Meredith Vieira and Lyndsy Fonseca.
Even Canadians have more, with Nelly Furtado, Shawn Mendes and whatnot.
When will southern-Spain rise again?
When anarchism and revolutionary socialism become mainstream again, those lands aren't gonna redistribute themselves
very superior technology, also most of them mixed making mestizos
When they decide to become an independent country. That is unironically their only chance.
Southern Iberia has zero (0) future
>most industrialized
Bilbao in 1930 had slight industrialization nothing the likes of what franco built.
Most be why cars are so widespread.
Murcia is a desert shithole, Extremadura has been pretty much forgotten by the government as they still use shitty infrastructure from 60 years ago.
Andalusia is better than everything else but shit education, corrupt companies and politicians have been fucking it up since forever.
I don't really know
So industrialized, look.at the industrial donkey.
What?
>1 county
the magnifique achievements of the Portuguese race
why do you mutts always think you know history of countries better than people that live there?
Bilbao industrialization.
They've been there since the 1600's damn.
Also how were they treated? I thought the US hate Southern Euros during those times? Catholic, sometimes swarthy, etc
England? Industrialised in 1900? Look at that industrial horse.
Kill yourselves, teenage mutts with a hard-on for fascism
Living somewhere means nothing, if you are stupid, an ideologue or have no actual history knowledge.
He is most likely from there.
>Middle-Sex
:DDDDD
>London
>Industrialised
A HORSE
Thoughts?
I remember someone from Michigan told me they still have Calvinistic churches there.
so basically hurr durr MORE EDUCATED THAN YOU MOHAMMED
He's a teenager with a hard-on for fascism, with no knowledge about Spain's economic development.
This is Franco spain 1950
calm down please we're having normal discussion
I don't think he is
No donkeys and little pedestrians.
Madrid in 1919. Look at this, Franco surely industrialized it! Oh wait...
Ok, how does this disprove that the Basque Country was industrialised before Franco and before the Republic? Have spanish historians been lying to us for the past 100 years
Why would the Basque country receive a heavy amount of immigration in the first third of the XXth century if it wasn't industrialised?
Killl yourself.
No more horse carriages for one, all motor vehicles.
Same applies to the London pic.
Was england not industrialised in 1900?
T bh I'm not from New England so Idk much about them personally, but I think most came during the waves of European migration in the 19th and early 20th century.
I think we also have a lot people from Azores, specifically.
>have historians bern lying
Yes, prior to Franco Basque country had limited amounts of industries.
Also, there was just general discomfort with Southern Europeans, I don't think there was ever real hate for you.
Yes. This makes perfect sense of course. An american teenager that has never been to Spain or read a book on Spanish history knows more than any Spaniard about Spain's XIXth century economic development or lack thereof.
Die in a fire, please. Go and live in North Korea if you love totalitarian regimes so much that you lie about them on the internet.
and after Franco Basque country had unlimited amounts of industries?
That's sad. I like Andelusia. I want to visit it soon and see all the mosques and such.
The Mexican war put an end to any French or British attempts to curtail the U.S. They saw that a country on (at the time) equal footing with the U.S got decimated quickly and decided it wasn't worth it. Especially the Brits that didn't want to have Canada overrun in a war with the U.S