Hitler establishes himself as a warmonger, a liar...

But that was by design. Either Stalin was a retard for not being prepared for an invasion from a man who explicitly declared he would do so, or he was a genius for creating what appeared to be the perfect conditions for an invasion from the German perspective to coerce them into invading, just so the Soviets could defeat them and become the dominate power in the world.

>whoah these ideologies are absolutely the same cause they are both collectivist

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/his/ is already ww2 Germany containment board, go there.

And both focus on creating wealth by removing wealth from the upper class and redistributing it

The opposite of the truth. Stalin thought Germany was much weaker than it had been in 1914 (for some good reasons), and that by supplying it with raw materials he could strengthen the USSR and weaken both France and Germany at the same time

Neither of those are true. Stalin simply believed that Germany wouldn't attack that early. In my opinion I think he was trying to create a ring around them first with his demands in Finland, the baltics, Romania, and Bulgaria. He probably assumed he had until the UK fell and would then attack, but got blindsided.

He thought Germany would not be able to defeat France and needed Soviet help just to survive. Which wasn't even wrong! Without trade with the USSR it's doubtful Germany would have had enough ammunition to keep fighting until 1940

I don't think the person who made this meme knows anything about either of these two regimes.

This as well. People really underestimate just how much Germany depended on foreign imports until they were spread far enough to accumulate stuff on their own. Hell, they even ran out of fuel against Poland a few times

Germany and Russia actually had good relations after WWI. Russia helped Germany clandestine tank testing even as it was banned by the Versailles treaty. When German wanted to invade Poland, both sides made a gentleman's agreement to divide it in half. Stalin then made the biggest mistake he ever made: he thought Hitler was smart and had a sense of self preservation over blind ideology. Stalin made sweetheart deals with Hitler to secure his Western front. Then Stalin went on an internal pogrom to purge disloyal and potential political threats. Thousands of competent Russian officers were executed. Stalin thought Hitler was not foolish enough to start a war on two fronts. But Hitler did and those pogroms caused massive Russian lossess initially. However, Germany never could fight and win a war on two fronts with the resources it had. The rest was history.

Stalin actually wanted to join the Axis.

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Stalin didn't have any choice when Poland started the war.

It is far more complicated than that you brainlet, but thank you for leaving out the part where Stalin invaded every country around Germany - including Germany's friends - and massed troops along the border

Also the part where Moscow supported every anti-nationalist, pro communist revolution from Germany and Italy to Spain while the Germans supported every pro-nationalist, anti communist movement

The purge was over a year before the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, when Stalin still assumed he would be allying with France to destroy Germany. The Allied guarantee of Polish territorial integrity was the decisive factor convincing him to switch to an alliance with Germany

Stalin was trying to placate Hitler as long as possible. He KNEW that Hitler wanted to destroy the USSR (the guy was not quiet about this fact), but he recognized that Germany was far more militarized and powerful than they were and so wanted all possible time to prepare. Stalin also offered an alliance with Britain and France against Germany but negotiations for that fell out.

Neo-Nazi edgelord leaving out the part where Hitler agreed to the division of Eastern Europe, what a surprise

Source for the last claim:
telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/3223834/Stalin-planned-to-send-a-million-troops-to-stop-Hitler-if-Britain-and-France-agreed-pact.html
>Papers which were kept secret for almost 70 years show that the Soviet Union proposed sending a powerful military force in an effort to entice Britain and France into an anti-Nazi alliance. Such an agreement could have changed the course of 20th century history, preventing Hitler's pact with Stalin which gave him free rein to go to war with Germany's other neighbours. The offer of a military force to help contain Hitler was made by a senior Soviet military delegation at a Kremlin meeting with senior British and French officers, two weeks before war broke out in 1939. The new documents, copies of which have been seen by The Sunday Telegraph, show the vast numbers of infantry, artillery and airborne forces which Stalin's generals said could be dispatched, if Polish objections to the Red Army crossing its territory could first be overcome.
>But the British and French side - briefed by their governments to talk, but not authorised to commit to binding deals - did not respond to the Soviet offer, made on August 15, 1939. Instead, Stalin turned to Germany, signing the notorious non-aggression treaty with Hitler barely a week later.
Stalin became fully convinced of Hitler's intentions when Germany illegally annexed Czechoslovakia and broke treaties to do so, then accelerated armament production, in 1938. It was then that he realized Hitler was actually genuine in everything he said (and willing to step on the toes of other great powers) and not just a LARPer. He was pretty much in full panic mode from that time up until the Germans were actually in the suburbs of Moscow.

German commanders wanted the Soviet Union to join Axis, but only Hitler didn't as far as I know

Some of them wanted to keep the status quo as of autumn 1940 in place until they had defeated England but few supported anything like an alliance with the Soviet Union. There was much more opposition from the military to the invasion of France

>Was Stalin an idiot
Stalin's troops were waving their flags on Berlin's rooftops and waving their dicks inside German women while Hitler put a bullet in his own head. I think it's rather self-explanatory was the idiot there.
That said, they were both extremely pragmatical and depraved. They had a lot in common.

Neither of them was insane or stupid, you are brainlet that lacks basic understanding of geopolitics

Stalin was afraid the POLISH EAGLE will chase away his red goons again like back in 1920 so he hired a bunch of german junkies with overpowered tanks to gang up on brave Poles. Stalin was basically a soyboi, too afraid to 1v1 anyone.