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You seem to think that the entire sunni population is against assad. While I wouldn't say that most syrians actively support him, nearly all of them know that his government is the only faction capable of creating stability. That's why after nearly 7 years of war he has pretty much won, and why him using chemical weapons now (the only possible way he could fuck up and lose the war) just doesn't make sense.

I can't say this about every chemical attack in the war but this one was definitely the rebels and I don't think assad is stupid enough to do that.

>Many Shias don't consider them Muslim either, apparently.
Basically, because of an almost limitless numbers of divisions of Islam throughout history, followers believe they are following the right one, and the others are all wrong.

There are even divisions among the divisions, Shia Islam has 3 division types alone, with several offshoots including Alawite and Druze, and various branches of Sunni too like Hanbali tradition.
Some coexist with each other, but a large number conflict.

We'll you'd be wrong.

>The US is one of the key factors on why some half assed protests got flamed into a seven year old civil war
You mean like when Assads father murdered 30,000 Sunnis during at uprising in Hamas in 1982, which solidified the cause of the Muslim brotherhood, turning small uprisings into full blown national uprisings in the name of the Brotherhood? Yeah, that leading cause of the whole civil war is definitely the US's fault.

If we hadn't armed the rebels the war would be long over. Don't be thick.

>The US is one of the key factors on why some half assed protests got flamed into a seven year old civil war
No, not at all. Assad sending tanks in to kill protesters is what turned protests into civil war. The FSA was formed when Assad's own generals turned on him.

>also the reason to why it lasted so long.
That's actually Russia's fault. Assad was on the verge of defeat when they came in and propped him up.

Pic related was the situation when Russian intervention began.

>on why some half assed protests got flamed into a seven year old civil war, also the reason to why it lasted so long.

There wouldn't be a civil war to begin with if it wasn't for western involvement.

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>Now where can I collect my 300 shekels?
The nearest (((American))) embassy

Who the fuck are these ISIS members that we've been bombing for the last four years, Swiss?

Yeah it's perfectly normal for a religious minority to brutally suppress the overwhelming majority. There will never be any problems.

You could argue that the only reason the rebels made so much progress was because they were being supported by multiple western nations. Outside influence is the main reason things escalated so quickly and you can't pin it all on Russia.

Assad, Putin, and Trump, and their supporters are correct.

Democracy is flawed: what these countries need are strong dictators willing to kill millions if need be to maintain the correct dictatorship, which brings stability, and with that prosperity, and then love from the sheeple..

Thank goodness so many at Jow Forums are willing to defend Assad. He is exactly what Syria needs.

Also, the spectacle of Arab killing Arab gets many here off. They might wish that they all kill each other off so Republican Jesus and the defenders of Christianity--because the angels can't be counted on--take over.

>No, not at all. Assad sending tanks in to kill protesters is what turned protests into civil war.
The rebels weren't looting those TOW missiles from government armories.

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>If we hadn't armed the rebels the war would be long over. Don't be thick.
>If we hadnt armed the rebels against a tyrannical dictatorship kiling its own civilians, the war would have gone to a complete standstill, or worse, the Russian backed dictatorship would have won, and civilians would still be getting killed
Fixed

The civil war happened because Assads father killed 30,000 Sunni muslims some years ago, and the Muslim Brotherhood vowed revenge, eventually in the form of nation wide uprisings which Assad used force to suppress. The idea of an Alawite government killing Sunnis like they're nothing, in a Sunni dominated country, for the Sunnis to then stand up and fight back sparking a civil war, isnt a bizarre idea.

Many outside sources may have gotten involved, but at the core of the war, thats what caused it.

>Assad sending tanks in to kill protesters
What a load of horse, and it was already a long time after when Russia came in.

The overwhelming majority of jihadists maybe.

Yes evil Assad impede plans for the caliphate he must go. Takbir!

They were given a few years after.

You Putin supporters seem to be getting your timeline off.

Given that most Jow Forums threads don't last, I'll refer you guys to one that will.

forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=1474051

Syria: Bomb the Palace?

Might be time to drop one of those big laser guided cherry bombs on Assad's house.

Send a message.

What do you think?

>assad wins and people continue being detained and tortured
>rebels win and ethnic minorities get genocided

It's not like there was ever a good solution here. All we did was pour fuel on the fire. It should have been left alone. People in this part of the world have always been killing each other and they always will. Western nations gain nothing from meddling in their wars and have in fact weakened us.

Ah, an intelligent post.

You have very little an understanding you have on geopolitics.

You seem to have very little understanding of the english language.

The war happened because radicals got financial and armed support from the west when they could never do nothing otherwise.

And the country is secular and most people don't give a shit over the brotherhood, if every single person thought like that there wouldn't be Assad, support for him, or any religious minority to begin with.

You can understand geopolitics and not support your country like it's a football team.

Yeah, the opposition would have totally caved in. That what they always do in dictatorships.

and none give a shit about Freedom.

Why does the West have to mess up Syria when it was a near-perfect country?

>and none give a shit about Freedom
Definitely not the moderate beheaders wanting to finish the secular country.

>Why does the West have to mess up Syria when it was a near-perfect country?
Profit, political interests and braindead politicians supporting world police con art that is made to fulfill first two items; nothing about it being a perfect country or not.

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Who doesn't want to finish the Assad regime but Putin-supporters and those watching him barrel-bomb his (Arab) people.

As if the Assad regime was the definition of a secular country.

and yeah, Golan is going to be another fucking Saudi Arabia when it comes to oil.

>Who doesn't want
Anybody who is not an ISIS sympathizer or israeli collaborator.

Wasn't someone hinting earlier in this thread that Israel was tacitly supporting ISIS--you can't trust the Joos, can't you 4channers.

But yes, it's either ISIS or Assad. What possible alternatives are there?

youtube.com/watch?v=X8zCv0AHnCs

>It's not like there was ever a good solution here
This is a fair point, unfortunately theres no undoing the atrocity of borders drawn by the French and Brits at the end of WW1 which caused the clumping together of different Islams and ethnicity's in the first place.

>All we did was pour fuel on the fire. It should have been left alone
It should have been, but it had countries pouring on the fire from day one, Russia, Lebanese Hezbollah, Iran, Turkey, all trying to get their chosen side to win. You guys werent the first.

>The war happened because radicals got financial and armed support from the west when they could never do nothing otherwise
An armed insurgency and a full conflict took place before the west even started arming the rebels. The rebels even captured Raqqa from Assad and went on to do a massive offensive, taking a major military airbase before hitting a stalemate. The stalemate is the main reason why Assad used a chemical weapons attack in that time, he was threatened by rebel advances. You seem to forget the rebels had a full military army made up of ex-Syrian army members and commanders.

>And the country is secular and most people don't give a shit over the brotherhood
Most people dont give a shit about the brotherhood, yet they still managed to rally up or inspire people for mass protests because Sunni civilians and the brotherhood have more in common then the civilians and Assad do, especially once Assad started detaining and torturing the Sunnis.

The arab spring was coordinated and had western support since the beginning.

And sure a minority like Assad has nothing in common with the regular populace when he gathered majority of the country's support up to this day that makes the government still exist.

Terrible thing, the Arab Spring: how it threatened so many dictatorships.

Assad enjoys widespread support. That's why he never uses barrel bombs, torture, gas, and Putin's support. All are lies of the Western press. Fake news. Believe only Russian Television.

>"barrel bombs"
Yes, the meaningless sensationalism to describe any weapons, that they use and give to their minions themselves while invading other countries, and the clowns regurgitate.

Totally.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrel_bomb

I'm telling you, one can only rely on Putin to tell the truth.

Yeah it's a bomb. But Putin Putin something I know.

Lots of them.

"Barrel bomb attacks throughout Syria have killed more than 20,000 people since the conflict began in March 2011, according to a December 2013 statement by the opposition Syrian National Council (SNC).[33] It is estimated that, as of mid-March 2014, between 5,000 and 6,000 barrel bombs have been dropped during the war and their use has escalated.[34] Aleppo has been the focal point of the Syrian government's use of barrel bombs.[35] Over time, government forces have refined their use of the barrel bomb to cause maximum damage - dropping one device and then waiting 10 to 30 minutes to drop another bomb on the same location. This "signature tactic" of the Syrian air force has been referred to as a "double-tap" barrel bombing.[36] According to opposition activists, the aim is to ensure that those who flood the scene to rescue the victims are then themselves killed.[37]"

But Wikipedia lies.

Trust only the alt-right and Putin. You can always trust an ex-KGB--or maybe that's a Western lie too.

Oh my God how dare people not in accord with western business use bombs and weapons against terrorists. But alt-right Putin KGB Pepe the Frog random buzzword.

aha yeah because he's a different type of muslim means that he's dumb enough to use chemical weapons right before the civil war conflict was won after the US literally teabagged them after he allegedly did it before

thank you so much for enlightening me, wtf i hate assad now. this totally isn't about israel wanting to take syrian land for greater israel and taking advantage of the US to do it, nope. It's just a coincidence that a lot of people in the US government have dual Israeli citizenships

most people:
terrorists = terrorists

alt-right/Putin-supporters:
peaceful protesters and dissidents = terrorists

Lots of buzzwords here.

Maga.
Fake news.
MSM.

Everyone's a terrorist.

Assad and Putin says they're terrorists and alt-righters agree because...., Putin said so!

Wow, not a complete retard under western flag

This is true, but people here only started paying attention to Syria in 2012 so they don't understand any of this.

Can't wait to see this stringbean goatfucker bite a cruise missile
Jow Forums's tears will be legendary

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>kill and imprison all your opponents
>hey look, the population supports me

Fucking retard yank shut up when proper countries are talking.

Yeah, he so kicked ass he didn't need Russia to pull his chestnuts out of the fire.

Israel is the worse country in the Middle-East! No body has murdered more people than they big nose perfidious Joo!

If only people read the Elders of Zion, they'd understand.

Hope he gets killed by a mob like Gaddafi.

>b-based Assad guys right
>his people love him tho?

Not an argument.
In fact, you strawmanning me this much really shows how antisemitism is treated like all fringe beliefs like something retarded like flat earth
>joos?!?! no way theres no possible reason for them to be doing it, you're just a flat earth moron

they are trying to take the middle east for themselves. they occupy the US government. sorry if that scares you namefag thats reality

[diaspora arguing noises]

Terrorists, from the re-branded Al Qaeda moderate rebels to ISIS. Never said any of these three things you cited. Now pick another single word from my post to move goal posts.

I actually want to know: what are the alternatives? HTS aka al-Nusra which controls most of rebel territories?

What, you actually think Israel is just going to expand outwards? They're going to unilaterally invade, annex and incorporate the territory of millions of Muslim Arabs, despite the issues they have occupying Gaza and the west bank alone? They're going to violate every single international law and treaty under the sun, and become an global pariah for a few thousand square miles of useless desert?

Stop playing grand strategy games and pick up a fucking book you stupid cunt. That is not how nation-states work.

What's going on in syria? Did a war break out there? I heard a couple of months ago that ISIS had been vanquished but has another war broken out there again?

Imagine someone saying, "Yes, I don't support the Bolsheviks but the alternative is a return to the Tsars so what can we do?"

That's you right now.

No war in Syria!
... I want the strike on animal assad to be swift and decisive, kill scores of these beasts in one hit and end it then and there

>useless desert
lol, you are the one who needs to get a clue buddy
destabilized regions with power vacuums = easier to take advantage and control over

Say what?

"In fact, you strawmanning me this much really shows how antisemitism is treated like all fringe beliefs like something retarded like flat earth"

Trump's a Jew? Obama's a Jew?

Yeah, Hitler was the only one who stood up to the fucking Jews. He understood. 4channers understand too. Gotta fight ZOG.

Assad fought ZOG the best he could.

"Al Qaeda moderate rebels"

>Trump and Obama are the only ones occupying government
please be baiting

>do you think they want to expand their territory
>they are trying to occupy Gaza and the west bank

I'm with stupid.

Yep these are the famous moderate rebels.

Why wouldn't you. The Petro dollar and other shenanigans keep you living a good life style.

It's like I'm on /sg

You are the one supporting bolsheviks rn tho, we support an actual Tsar.

>What a load of horse
You're only showing your own ignorance here.

The petrodollar is a shenanigan that keeps bankers who privately own US's central bank controlling world currency. You, and even the US itself don't earn shit with it.

Bucha groups in this article.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Civil_War

The best alternatives were the peaceful protesters.

ISIS might rise with Turkey's help.
The Alt-right kinda like Erdogan--strong man.

Yeah!

Oh yeah, I forgot: the majority of the House and Senate are Jewish.

Strong economy leads to growth for all. In America if you can't make it then you aren't trying hard enough or are incredibly dumb

The "we need strong dictators in the Middle East to keep control" argument is especially stupid in the case of Syria since le stronk dictator Assad has shown himself to be incapable of keeping control in his country and was only saved from defeat thanks to the intervention of a foreign power.

Protesters are bunch of people, they can't rule the country. If sunni majority gets the power we will get a new Saudi Arabia but poor and bunch of genocides of alawitea, druze and new civil war between arabs and kurds. You just have to admit Assad is the lesser evil

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Al Qaeda: famous for their moderation.
Anti-Assad types: famous for being pro-Al Qaeda, or Islamic extremists.

Britain can't afford to fuck around; many Americans (and Canadians) can.

Say what?

"You, and even the US itself don't earn shit with it."

You're making great sense.

If you haven't pumped every ape with a tow he would easily hold just like Kaddaffi would.

He believes that the jews rule everything.

Ok, say it clearly: you want Jeish al Islam and HTS to rule over Syria and alawites and druze to be genocided.

they rule a considerable amount and people downplay it like its nothing

Southern Front hasn't completely fallen to jihadists yet, though it is not free of them either.

Some might offer the Kurds as an option but they cause too much friction with Turkey and majority of Syrians probably wouldn't accept Kurdish rule anyway. If the YPG could be purged from the SDF, the SDF might become an option, but whether or not that's possible is another problem.

Have you ever considered that Jews aren't a hive mind?

Have you considered that they are?

Can Assad offer long-term stability to Syria? What happens when he dies? Another civil war over who takes over?

They don't. The real people in Charge are the people that have been running our country since the 1700's. And the true elites are more than happy to let some jew run his mouth about how he hates white people because the true elites want you to be a dumb fuck that can't think for yourself and will target the loudest voice

So you want a kurd minority to rule over arabic majority? They barely hold arabic territories they already have and there were bunch of uprisings there. Especially after they turned Raqqa and its citizens into ash. Southern front is the nest of al-qaeeda and other shits you will bomb decade later again like you do in Afghanistan

No one in the middle east save Israel likes the Kurds

It's the problem with dictatorships: the tend to leave succession crises and they make violent change inevitable.

Hey, you got most of it--kinda.

Agreed about the minorities. Which is why the US government has been helping some of them--Kurds--in Iraq too--and Iraqi Shiites.

Sunnis are no guarantee of SA dictatorship than Shia rule would lead to it's opposite.

Assad isn't the lesser evil because he protects minorities, when he has probably murdered the most. The Assads have jeopardized these minorities with their dictatorship.

Nobody says Assad should stay. We actually worked on new constitution and implied he will leave after the elections when the war is over. But remove him now and you will get 3 dozens of bands hating each other.

I didn't say I support the rebels. Stop with your childish strawman shit.

So why do the people that have been supposedly running our country since the 1700s love doing things in the middle east that benefit Israel so much?
Why do the people that have been running our country since the 1700s pass the 1965 immigration act that changed the USA from 90% white to letting in hordes of 3rd worlders over the next couple decades, only to cause problems instead of unity?
Sounds like really shitty leadership to me.

>unfortunately theres no undoing the atrocity of borders drawn by the French and Brits at the end of WW1 which caused the clumping together of different Islams and ethnicity's in the first place.
They were already clumped together under the Turks, in case you're forgetting. Far from clumping them together, we separated them more than they used to be.

Disagreeing with your leaders on domestic policy isn't a valid reason for suporting Assad.

No, because it's imbecilic and can be proven wrong by even the most shallow review of what Jewish people believe.

If you look at the map he contros most sunni in the country even now. And you can be sure it is safer in Hama than it is in Idlib. Let him finnish the war with Syria still being a thing and there will be elections without Assad even as a choice. That's what we were offering since the beginning of our help to the government. Isn't democracy what you are fighting for? Or you just want YOUR dictator to take his place?

By you I mean your country

You actually think Assad will go, after fighting a seven year long civil war to stay? You are more idiotic thatn I thought.

I'm not my country though. I don't support the rebels or Assad. What's so hard to grasp about that?

It doesn't leads to strong economy but to giving money to international banking all over the world

That's why they re-branded themselves in Syria.

Wasn't Assad educated in the UK? Why would someone who seems to be competent gas his own people when he knows it would piss off the #1 military super power in the world, when the conflict is nearly resolved?

You know, since Assad gassed his own people before and got bombed for it right?
...Oh wait that was bullshit too. Even the defense guy in the US admits it
newsweek.com/now-mattis-admits-there-was-no-evidence-assad-using-poison-gas-his-people-801542

Do you even know what a barrel bomb is? I suggest you look them up because clearly you don't.

also
>the meaningless sensationalism to describe any weapons
lol, no. There is plenty of footage out there of Assad's forces using these things. It's not even up for debate.