This was my fathers country before Wahhabism, cousin marriages, and war tore it apart...

how come these somalis don't looks as if they all had the same face like they do today?

>muh ancestors

them and Ethiopians/Eritreans are phenotypically caucasoid and genetically different than other blacks. They're the only blacks that have the neanderthal (from what I know) I'm guessing that's why most have thin lips, straight noses, and curly to straight hair. People think they're arab rape babies but this isn't true since that area willing converted to Islam and they them selves had slaves. They're very homogenous, my dad did a DNA test and he was about 97% East African.

because they're parents weren't cousins, you have to understand the zoomlis the west gets are 90% inbred. Islam promotes cousin marriages and about 80% of the current somali population in the west has a family consistent of cousins marrying each other.

they look as ugly as they do today

their* whoops

You're that stupid uncle tom somali whos trying to get accepted by racists.

You have to go back

east africans look completely different than west africans.

i don't use Jow Forums and I'm not even fully somali haha
-> see above statement ^ I was born here, my dad is a professor here, and my mom is a catholic pole. I don't even think they'd want me back I don't look like a Somali at all my friend

It wasnt because of wahhabism. It started with losing the ogaden war in 1977 then foreign governments started supporting rebel groups because somalias army got weakened and then the country fell in 1991.

Akhuya, I'm from Iraq, the only solution for peace is to unite our countries into one Arab ummah, from the khaleej to the atlantic

wtf i thought i was talking to a real somali not some m*ngrel

Africa is pretty diverse. Makes you wonder how African-Americans can dismissively count them all the same, 'their people'. It's not like Africa-Americans are even full-blooded or from the whole of Africa either...

Somalia?

wahhabism is one of the current problems it's shit though, you can't disagree with that can you? I think Somalia would've eventually ended up being secular if rebel groups and ogaden war were stopped and Barre being replaced with a non commie leader. My dad told me most people drank alcohol, listening to western music and were highly educated because of what Barre did.

see this
>youtube.com/watch?v=IPmPBv7avws

I honestly think Islam is one of the reason the region is still unstable. First cousin marriages, and clannism needs to be outlawed and eugenics needs to be implemented asap

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hehe sorry xd either way I still mexibros. Your food is awesome

is your hairline receding somali american bro?

Somalis aren't arab (genetically and culturally) my friend, and most will get angry at you for even considering them arab.

interesting thread, OP. Always nice to find an actual Jow Forums thread in the horrible soup of /b/-tier garbage this board has become.

nah ahaha I have a normal hairline, I'm only 21 so it might recede in my early 30s. What about you?

why's somalia in leuge of arabs? is cultural/linguistic reasons

Give you head a Wahabble

yep, african americans are seen as bantu or "raisin head slave" to somalis, because that's what slaves were referred to back in day.

yeah no, nice meme but if anything this would even create bigger conflicts and it becomes a war of control were each country would fight for superiority. yugolsavia on it self was a big disaster.

nah but i have a lot of somali friends with weird harilines here in mississauga, a city beside toronto

because of religion, that's literally it.

religion, that's literally it. Most Somalis don't even speak arabic, their taught to recite koran verses and memorize them but in actually they have no idea what they're saying.

Somalis are linguistic, culturally, and genetically like their Cushitic neighbor Ethiopia. Haplogroups T and A are mostly present in those areas only.

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ahh yeah I know what you mean ahahah

>linguistic
linguistically* soz for the autistic spelling

thank you :3

Eat pork eat crab
Burn Quran hijab

Kill muslim

Is there any part of the world that wahhabism has not shit the place?

nope every islamic country is shit even the gulf countries, the might build a few big skyscrapper to show off but the actual cities and streets look like 3rd world countries. Islam is fucking cancer and has taken away peoples identities and forced them into a shitty backwards psychopathic ideology from persia to somalia to turkey to bosnia. It's fucking awful

Somalia didn't collapse due to wahabism.

That's an interesting mix, What do you look like?

t. Saudi

i look like i'm 75% white I guess I have sorta have dark blonde hair and blue eyes. Pic related is the closest I can find to what I actually look (besdies teh degenerate tattoo). I don't want to sound like a mutt but people assumed I'm white or mostly right off the bat until I tell them, both my little brother and sister are the same as well but my little brother has brown eyes and my sister has green eyes.

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it's certainly was apart of it, islamists were getting mad at how westernized somalia was becoming, and either way they promoted more clannism, which increased birthrates and cousin marriages and in total lowered the IQ of the people who Siad Barre worked so hard to get educated. Also Saudi's are funding Al Shabab. The world now sees somalis as one of the worst and backwards people on the planet. This country could easily be turned into a 1st world country with the right leader. There are many untapped natural resources and a strategic coast line. I wish these people could wake up.

im a bit overweight as well no where as good looking as pic related maybe one day when I stop using the internet and take the Jow Forumspill

Post Somali baes

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Somali fell apart because it was a Soviet client state and with the loss of support from Moscow in the early 90s, it was lights out.

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honestly same could be said for any country that is in MENA. syria, iraq, Egypt, Lebanon are an example.

i have an unholy fetish for ethopian/somali girls they're the only attractive black women in my opinion (if you would even call them black)

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mixed girls are hot too

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Youngfags know nothing about somali history because their parents are too ashamed of what they did. Whahhabism is certainly a factor in recent violence, but the initial civil war was due to USSR. Violence is maintained by the UAE funding the fighters in the south.

We the people who grew up in the west have a duty to go to somalia and fix it. We have western education, western ideology and in fact are westerners.

But seriously this pessimistic view is disgusting.

My parents were seriously religious growing up, but I saw pictures of when they were young and felt betrayed. They wore no hijabs, they had western style clothes, listened to bob marley. Modern somalia is just reactionary ideology formed by the guilt of the civil war.

BUT islam is no the problem, it has been here since the 7th century, somalia became muslim before even the entire arabian peninsula became muslim. We are inseparable.

>mfw westerners find this attractive

Shes medium tier somali girl, desu she looks like my mate so im put off

do you actually think Somalia needs Islam though? What's the point of building 7 mosques in close proximity next to each other rather than building a school or hospital? I think Somalis are naturally secular but are forced to think this arab religion is good for them. We may disagree but don't you think ti would be better to promote nationalism and stop all arab influence? Somalis doesn't need arabs they have their own oil, resources etc. Once a strong leader comes in and forces everyone to follow him, the country will be resorted but it has to be under the banner of Somali nationalism and nothing else.

Islam is about as much arab imperialism as christianity is european imperialism. in islam, the separation of race and religion is very clear. at least have the courtesy of researching the religion you're talking about, before critiquing it.

Nationalism will never work, the only reason somalia was formed was out of necessity from invading forces during the colonial era. Each clan has their own land and they will stick to it.
Somalia as a nation is fairly young.

>strong leader
Siad barre was strong and he ruined the country. We dont need strong men, we need an educated populace with some work to do.

>stop arab influence
Islam is separate from arab influence, even though it seems illogical. Also arabs are our neighbours and are going to bring money into the country, I dislike them, but they have power.

Being somali and muslim is very tightly linked. Secularised country with islamic people seems fine. The europeans never let go of their "judeochristian-heritage", the Chinese retain Confucius. We should retain ours too.

Some people honestly think islam = arab imperialism. These are the people you discuss with.

I'm not really muslim and I've been in a mosque maybe twice in my life (both times with my dad), I'm just saying that Islam won't benefit a country that's been cripple by forces that include islam. I'm sure all of MENA and East Africa would be a lot better if Islam was allowed revision for modernization

I agree, but you can't keep scapegoating Islam for everything. You can't blame islam for a ruined economy, lack of education, lack of rights etc. etc. Islam on this site seems the equivalent of some kind of boogeyman everywhere. First step to actually fixing the problem is realising WHAT is the problem, and while islam is part of it (it needs to be modernised as you said), it's not what you mainly should focus on.
this dude is more on the right track.

thanks for the clarification, I agree with most of what you said, but I have a question how would the arabs exactly help Somalia? They haven't done anything but fund terror and insure destabilization if I'm correct...? Wouldn't it be logical to sell some of our resources to western countries instead? I mean turks and the west have helped Somalia more than any arab country in my opinion

Why do you even care? You dont give a shit about Somalia. If you really did you would go back there right now and use your western education to help educate young kids, you introduce easier agricultural reforms like crop rotation among other things instead of blaming everything on Islam. FUCK YOU. You disgust me. The fact that your father is a university professor and you spout such uneducated views is a disgrace. You want al Shabaab to go away, then fix problems of food security and global warming first.

well statics tend to get my head and I blame islam because i feel like it *ONE* of core reasons and enablers for that area isn't doing so well. Other than that, 1st cousin marriages have damage the Somali IQ as well and that's pretty much promoted in islam along with tribalism but you're right there's no point in blaming islam it would be too easy to address. Building schools and educating the masses should come first then everything else will hopefully fall in line

>it's certainly was apart of it, islamists were getting mad at how westernized somalia was becoming, and either way they promoted more clannism, which increased birthrates and cousin marriages and in total lowered the IQ of the people who Siad Barre worked so hard to get educated.
lol. are you for real?

I never said they would help us, they have interests within the region albeit nefarious, but some foreign investment is needed, even if we get screwed over a bit. Some investment is better than no investment.

Turks are helping but again trying to gain influence in the region.

When you say sell resources to the west, I understand what you mean. But we have no methods of extraction, we need foreign companies to do the drilling and such. But no western country really want to do it because of security issues.

This issue is very complex. Even I dont know anything, itll take 50+ years to recover so just be happy and stop any self hatred you have.

woah there big fella take it easy, this is just the way I see it, and I do plan on going back there in the future (after i improve/learn more Somali) to see the rest of my dads family, I just want the region to succeed just like you, I don't want nothing anything else man, I just don't think Islam has helped Somalia in the slightest bit but I could be wrong like I said I don't know too much about it, I've just recently begun researching about it.

Wtf I never would have guessed this was Somalia

yeah watch this
>youtube.com/watch?v=IPmPBv7avws
women were kept out of music and stuff, clerks would get angry at the thought of women being equal lmao that's what my dad told me

muslim nigger

times change man, the pearl of the indian ocean has turned into one of most dangerous places on the planet

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>qatar faggot constantly shits on islam in /mena/
>defends islam everywhere, specially when it's some muslim diaspora
i guess you have to put the slaves back in their place

tribalism was promoted as a typical divide and conquer tactic by the dictator after he was BTFO by USSR + Ethiopia.

Cousin marriages have always existed, birth rates were always high (it was a developing country), IQ isnt lowered in a single generation. This guy thinks all these problems can arise form a dictator in the 1980s. Literally 1 generation.

>lol if you aren't a mudslime like me you are a self-hater

somalis weren't slaves but WILLING took in islam because they arab traders gave them stuff like tea, sugar, etc. Then each major clan started converting that's worst than being forcefully converted in my opinion but other Somalis will defend this to the death and be proud of being a """muslim"""

that's great and all, but what possible benefit would islamists get from lowering the national IQ of your country? why would they support clannism when islam is against it? i think you know what the problem is with your country, but you're blaming it on the wrong things. islam just seems like the biggest issue to you because you're a westerner. you're also not realising that arabs have actually invested a lot in somalia btw.

i don't want this to seem like me being racist and saying "lole go back to ur cuntry" but this seems like the logical thing to do. somalis with western education and money should go back to invest.

I apologize, your young and idealistic and hopeful for helping that's amazing. But the main focus for the somalian people should first be solving the issues of food and electrical power and energy needs. You should not ever see eugenics as a valid argument. Allow young somalian food to grow healthy and smart, and if they didnt have constant blackouts they would be able to study better. When you do to Somalia you'll understand what I mean.

i didn't say that cousin marriages lower IQ in 1 generation I meant to say that they were halted and slowed down after tribalism was dimming down in Barre era. The high birth rates always happened like you said but they weren't as bad as the way they are now, and each person from Siad Barre era's great great grandchildren are probably married to their cousin in Sweden or the UK lets be real, Somalis marry young and have a lot of kids.

Somalis took in islam 700 and enjoyed 1300 years of prosperity. It went to shit in the 1980-1990s. So whats wrong with islam? Many empires existed in somalia, we domesticated the camel, we have the oldest. Go to the beach in mogadishu and youll find venetian coins.

Reminder somalia was a colony for a measly 30 years and consistently twarted occupation. The brits literally had to give a speshul deal to trade with yemen, so we became a protecterate.

it's just a religion just like any other religion. it has its flaws and its good parts.

Nice. East Africans are Master race of
Subharan detected
I accept him :^)

Having lots of kids is a function of developing nations.

Here in the UK somalis marry mid 20s.

Well I consider myself an American first + I don't look Somali or have any ties to Somalia other than my dad and his family, I do plan to visit the in the future. As for Somalia I just want to see the country succeed for my dads sake. He always tells me stories about how great it was when he grew up there.

Why do Somalis mutilate their children? Are they gurofags?

I believe you, it saddens me to see stuff like that happen, I just hope that this will not be a problem for them.

what's your second half if i may ask? im curious

here in America, 70%+ of Somali immigrants are on welfare and have an average of 4 kids =/ check out States like Minnesota

Somali women belong to the Yellow Male.

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half polish see and maybe my polish side is what stems my hate of islam

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jk

lmao. there is also a half turl half pole on here, and some half iraqi half pole here as well (though he posts rarely). didnt know poles were so big on racemixing

First generation ones of course are shit tier, so a many second generations. They have that third world mentality. Many of my generation arent so shit, I guess to western values. Somalis will abuse any system they meet, very much like italians.

Based

desu they're really nationalistic not really that racist, my grandpa and grandma love me and my siblings and so do my cousins in Poland. As for them racemixing I don't think it's common but some fellow burger posted a statistic on Jow Forums saying 1 in 4 polish women in the city of England have a racemixed baby (either with an arab or black)
pic related (the huge meme) was of a polish women and her half breed daughter so it could be true. Who knows haha

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>you can't keep scapegoating Islam
Meanwhile Ethiopia & Nigeria is getting better day by day.

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>very much like italians.
like father like son

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