Are Slavs white?

Vistulan reporting in.

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Prior to mass sovietization, mass media propaganda and state education propaganda the russian farmer had culture akin to french farmer, the russian urban worker alin to french etc...
Differentiation occurred in 1917, with mass propaganda and mass power to a group of bolsheviks to carry out ethnic cleansing.

And so russian culture became alien and the condition of both urban and rural were in a state of bolshevism with no personal sovreignty.

why are polses either self hating or super jignostic no inbetween?

*poles

because you're on Jow Forums. it takes more character to stand out on an anonymous platform like the internet than real life, where you do already have some form of identity. that's why people tend to do and say crazy things on the internet that they normally wouldn't say in real life.

I don't know about other Slavs but Poles certainly are not w*ite. We are proud BLACK nation with strong BVLLS who will conquer sissy w*iTeoids and enslave their w*ite woman.

>Brown are neighbouring tribes
bit rude

Ukrainians certainly are

No.

No Tara's, you are asian just like us

Only the Catholic ones.

they certainly aren't, every single Ukrainian I've seen has jet black hair like Asians

Define white.
I dont want to be associated with German/English white.

Sadly yes but their history is closely related to steppe people. Everything East of Bavaria was just a bunch of mongols, turks and slavs fucking each other for hundreds of years.

don't worry Mehmet, you won't
>but their history is closely related to steppe people
tell me more about the close connection Poles, Czechs, Croats, Serbs and Macedonians had with steppe nomads

I doubt in Ukraine it looks like we are niggers. There is no difference between Ukraine and Compton in LA for example apart from skin color.

Where do you think slavs came from? for hundreds of years society Ended at Bavaria's eastern border and it was just a bunch of wilderness filled with chiefdoms and nomads. It was a nebulous amalgamation of Slavs and other steppe people like Hungarians who come from further east.

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I see you read your history from wikipedia articles.

>Where do you think slavs came from?
modern day Ukraine

no

Huns settled in Germany.

except for ukrainians and czechs

>mehmet
>xDDD

whatever you say schlomo

In fact, there was a big Slavic empire from the Roman limes to China, but the world isn't allowed to know this because filthy G*rman scientists concealed the truth, even though the forgotten Roman sources write about battles against Slavs they lost. Also, Slavs started the great Aryan civilization in China and Sanskrit is actually a Slavic language. Infa 100%.

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I like the idea but name doesent make any sense.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorbian_March .
If border is called that way, well...

>only people who don't make me butthurt are white
you blyats are adorable

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>westerners in charge of eastern european history
LMAO

reminder that according to western intellectuals Slavs magically appeared out of nowhere in 6th century

>you blyats
Are you a shitalian or some chefura?

hes probably ukrainian

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Я пpocтo Cлoвeнeц

>appeared out of nowhere
>conquered entire eastern europe
>slaves

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Then you're one of us.

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How did we manage to go from this (pražsko-korčakskaja k.) ...

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..to this?

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Thats what they want you to think, by they I mean 'German school of history'.
Fun fact, entire European history we learn in schools today is based on 1878 Berlin congress. Almost every European historian from the 19/20century studied history in Austria or Germany.
Read Mavro Orbini - Kingdom of Slavs and Ivo Vukcevic - Germanorum populus scklavorum.

I forgot to mention that Mavro Orbinis book has 2 versions, original one have 500 pages, commies banned the first 200 pages and just printed the book from the 201st page.

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Another thing I just noticed from your 2 maps, I dont know if anyone noticed it before me.
Everybody say how ancient site of Arkona was the most sacred site for the Slavs.
My question is why is it located on the border of the map? Isn't it more logical to be located near Kiev or something like that, more to inland, "where Slavs originated from"?
Their entire theory is rubbish, I don't know how could anyone believe that crap.

A huge portion of our culturo-linguistic element came from Pomerania.
It's an ancient memory of so called "Venetic" people living in us

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>Sisak is on the river Mura

nice map, Soviet historians

>commies banned the first 200 pages and just printed the book from the 201st page
and even before that, under German monarchy, Russians were simply not allowed to write down their own history due to government censorship. It was a long, long, project of wiping out our roots ready for Western absorption. Are you formulating a theory, perhaps?

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Better?

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how did the avars keep all those slavs out?

they couldn't

>Are you formulating a theory, perhaps?
What I really like to do, is to read old books and see what names people used back then, soldiers/generals etc...
For example I found a ton of old Illyrian/Thracian names that end with *din or *mir. My name ends with *din.
One name really caught my eye, Ardomir, sounds familiar to you?
I dont know anyone in Europe who use that kind of names other than Slavs.
Many Greeks lived there yes, and you can easily recognize them.

They didn't. They just ruled them. When Avars imploded they disappeared and Pannonian Slavs appear on the map

Tharcians were flat out Slavic. Their reconstructed language today has most similarities with Prussian, Lithuanian, and Slavic - Balto-Slav in general, then. This is also why Tharcians were called "boreas" by the Greeks and Russia, "hyperborea" (mistakenly so, but still, exemplifying the connectiom between the two peoples, one tribe). Illyrians were illyrians though, I believe.

In my opinion you can draw a line straight down where finland starts and everything right of that line is not really white (too much mongolian and levant admixture) see image, crossed out lands are not white either

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If Illyrians were Illyrians, where are they now?
1. If Slavs killed them all, there should be some battle, but there werent any, at least we dont know. of any battle, which is I think impossible
2. We know that it took Rome 200 years to conquer ancient Haem Peninsula/Illyria, so I doubt they would allowed Slavs to just settle in their lands without a fight

>Tharcians were flat out Slavic.

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>levant admixture
I think you mean Anatolian and Iranic.
>Ireland not white
You're a little too late.

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I like how ''white'' changes it's definition every few fucking decades

It seems to me like everything is pointing out to massive intermarriage between the groups.
You can physically distinguish a Balkan Slav from others, it points to SOME admixture. Then there are various genetic analyses pointing to a huge substratum admixture to the point where only Slavonia and Slovenia are "genetically Slavic".
Also, note that times have significantly changed since the Roman conquest of Dalmatia. Various hordes roamed through the region and those surviving Illyrians simply had no choice but to become Slavs by adopting our way of living (farming) and speaking in our tongue - which defines a Slav.
This way an Albo looking Serb would be considered Slav where a Lithuanian being same as a Russian or a Pole is not.

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How about we Slavs simply stop considering ourselves as white and self identify as only Slavs?

>no white guilt
>no western degeneracy
>not considered pussies
>not a part of declining world
>we have our own logos by which we live
it goes on..

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Hm, you're right. I underestimated the supposed extend of Illyria and placed it at the Albanian shores alone. My mistake.
>so I doubt they would allowed Slavs to just settle in their lands without a fight
Which is why the official history of Slavs (Hrovats and Servoi, to be specific) being allowed to settle (or more accurately, win back) Dalmatia and Pannonia after the Finno-Urgics (who were set out to liberate the Slavs, and whom the Slavs were fiendly with) sacked Rome, supposedly for nothing. Why would the biggest Empire in Europe just secede land for nothing?
>Tharcians were flat out Slavic
How could "7 tribes of Slavs" find themselves there when the Bulgarians liberated it? Why would Gall Anonim (whos name might as well be a revolutionary act - as opposed to Romanized "Frank"), who was fluent in most Sclavonic languages speak of Tharce as a Slavic speaking nation, when recounting all Slavic dominions? Surely, the Bulgarian language should've reigned ultima - but, also, why would Bulgarians "randomly" formulate Old Church Slavonic there, if there were no Slavs there in the first place?

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>Then there are various genetic analyses pointing to a huge substratum admixture to the point where only Slavonia and Slovenia are "genetically Slavic".
What analyses? Post links.
My ancestors are from Bosnia(Trebinje) and I look like a typical Slav. I'm just a little bit taller from the other Slavs, kek.

I agree.

You’re exaggerating.

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Read Гeнoфoнд Eвpoпы - Бaлaнoвcкий if you can into Russian. First hit on jewgle.

Here I post some tentative maps concerning y-dnk haplos. Slovenes having the same subgroup as Russians is surprising.

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Another one pointing to northern origins of Croatians.
Serbs aren't particularly Slavic GENETICALLY SPEAKING

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That's why I mistakenly said Illyrians weren't Slavic, the natives mixed (to a lesser or greater extend) with us around 3000 years ago, but, after all, "it is not a nation we inhabit, but a language".

I know a little bit, its not that hard to read.
Genetically speaking, Anatole Klyosov says you're wrong.

I know about his theories. They are to be considered but much of it seems to be off.

Where exactly am I wrong?

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i think this map is outdated, a recent study showed that northern croats are r1a z280 like the slovenes

Why off? He is very well respected genealogist. Also Slavs have 2 haplogroups, R1a and I2.
Another thing I just noticed from this map who lived there 1k years ago, in the most orange places, north of Germany/Poland? The Sorbs.

Interesting. That adds onto my theory.

Yes

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Sjeverna Hrvatska n=220:

haplogrupa-broj-postotak

C2-M217 1 0,45
E-V13 23 10,45
G1 1 0,45
G2a 6 2,73
H 11 5,00
I1 8 3,64
I2-M223 5 2,27
I2-L38 3 1,36
I2-L415 1 0,45
I2-YP196 33 15,00
I2-YP196>PH908 23 10,45
J2a 2 0,91
J2b-M205 2 0,91
J2b-M241 6 2,73
J2b 1 0,45
L-M317 1 0,45
N1c 1 0,45
R1a-Z280 48 21,82
R1a-M458 5 2,27
R1a-M458>L260 9 4,09
R1b-PH155>M335 2 0,91
R1b-393=12 5 2,27
R1b-BY611 2 0,91
R1b-L51 16 7,27
R2-L263 1 0,45
T 4 1,82

>and I2
Explain?

>"it is not a nation we inhabit, but a language"
Exactly! This is the way of the Slav. We define ourselves as "those who speak - Slavyane" as opposed to out ancient neighbors "the mute ones - Nemci"
We have absorbed huge amounts of foreign elements thus the genetic and phenotypic differences.

Seems right, we live close by. Link?

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I2a to be more precise.
Whats in it to explain?

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>Somerset not white
>But Western Turkey is
Rly makes me think.

somebody posted it on forum.hr. it's from this study, but i think you can't read it without some subscription or something
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22391654

Cornish people are BLACK.

It's called Eastern Thrace you brainlet

He calls his new field in genetics as "patriotic science". I'm not here to dispute his credentials but he seems to be from a more technical field - biochemistry, physics and microbiology and he lacks typical geneticist knowledge about the migration of genes through time. He proposes an interesting view nonetheless.

>R1a and I2
Where R1a is the original Indo-European component we share with Germanic and Baltic people and I2 was absorbed in Tripolye (culture). It came into our genofond later, this is why Russians, Poles and other northern groups lack this haplo.

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Are Slavs black?

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I can't see shit

i'm a pontid lol

here

>Kurds are Yugos

Živjela kurdska narodna armija!

N-no bully pls.

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Of course

i2a doesn't give you light hair or eyes

I2a and R1a are brother haplogroups it seems :D different origin but close contact with each other.

It does.
I have light brown hair and green eyes.

kurds have r1a also

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Are we not?

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