The Good guys

stay mad gusano

your tio got his slaves taken away?

>Smart bigbrain tier
Democratic socialism
>Brainlet tier
Open markets & governmentally non-interventionalism
>Absolute Brainlet tier
Communism
>Absolute double brainlet tier
National Socialism

ML was pretty shitty, just like stalin who invented it. Leninism is very good though.

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Agree.

Wtf does gusano mean? Is this some /leftypol/meme. I am not latino m8.

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This is all largely because Lenin died super early and Stalin presided over ww2

Also this chart makes the NEP sound like it was all happy fun times when in reality it sucked for a lot of people, as necessary as it was.

Lenin and Stalin were both necessary, and should be understood as two parts of the same long plan.

Both were shit, our ennemies and got defeated.
Yankee pride world wide. Fuck rednecks and commies.

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Leninism was doomed, because World didn't wanted to became socialist.

Real rednecks are those who fight for the right of the laborers, I've read.

Slavery is wrong EVERYWHERE user

It's inevitable. Two failed revolutions in Europe doesn't change that. And either way, how would that mean leninism was "doomed"?

This. Stalinism means recognizing the capitalists will attack you, lie about you, invade you, undermine you, ally with literal nazis against you, etc. Once you admit that it becomes obvious why Stalin had to do it to em

Lol.
Yeah especially soviet slavery. Good thing they no longer exist.

>muh inevitability

You can't use that as a defense of bad strategy, leftcom.

/leftypol/ isnt a thing. Just go to bed.

Oh, I understand.

You've never read a book in your life and know absolutely nothing about any of this, but you still have strong opinions on it.

>soviet slavery

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>an american being american
just let him be, he isn't hurting anyone

>Good thing they no longer exist.
Emm, you still have private prisons. Even Soviets didnt that

>defense of bad strategy
Where did I do that? I said "it's inevitable" in response to "World didn't wanted to became socialist".

There are no good guys.

He's hurting OTHER americans

see: your post

>be Bolshevik
>fight for a dictatorship of the proletariat
>dictatorship of the proletariat (Stalinism) turns around and has you purged
can not be fabricated

>hurting other americans
i mean i know im supposed to feel bad but i don't

Not defending socialism is bad strategy. Stalin did what needed to be done, because the forces of reaction try to crush communism wherever it springs up.

That's a lie the bad guys tell.

Yeah, they had mobile gas trucks instead

OP is a russkie.

BTW nazbol is the only way.

>be this guy's granddaddy
>be a sweaty fat traitor and hoard grain and spy for the germans
>get purged
>cry about it

>>dictatorship of the proletariat (Stalinism)
Very much not the same thing.

Stalin was a dumbass that killed anyone that was a threat to the consolation of power he was building up.
Even if they weren't against him.

Most of you are just brainwashed westerners, as well as your fathers and grandfathers :(
The USSR was neither good nor bad, it was just a ordinary country

Seriously fuck off to /leftypol/ guys. This is not a politics or ideology board. Even /his/ is more suitable
It is a board on 8gag. Also /leftypol/ could refer too subreddits like r/socialism r/last gate capitalism and all their shitry fb pages.
I did tho, labour conditions in the soviet union were terrible. Why do you shill so much for our ex-ennemies. Why do you hate your country and people so much?
How am I hurting americans. You are the guy shitting on us 24/24

Unlike the capitalist police who never execute anyone

>MUH RUSSIANS
No one's voting for Clinton, sweetie

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>be triggered commiefag
>make up a hypothetical situation to make yourself feel better
You can't make it up

What guys do you mean?
I asking because of some of them was really terrible, but it's the history. We need to accept it, figure out and live.
Some people here still trying to do that, it's hard for russians. Times was rude and some thinks that it was needed. Another think that price was too high. All of them has a point.

Stalin became paranoid, yes, because there were genuinely plots all around him every single day. You try living like that for decades.

His personal paranoia and his geopolitical strategy are different things, and whatever else he was he was 200iq

>brainwashed
Senpai you have no idea how many hours of reading it takes to become a communist in 2018 USA, don't speak about things you don't know. No one is out there doing it for you, feeding it to you

>Muh Capitalist police executioners
As opposed to state sanctioned secret police?

where did you read about "labor conditions?"

fence-sitters would rather have a stick up the ass than take a stand for right against wrong

There is actually a difference between killing for good and bad reasons.

>Stalin became paranoid
Thats a funny way of saying he was a dumbass and a gangster.
>kills Sergey Kirov
>Uses his death as a reason to start purge

Call me crazy, but I don't think you know very much about Stalin.

Define "good" and "bad" reasons.

Call me crazy but you're so blinded by his cult of personality that you ignore and dismiss any and all criticism of him.

Defending equality from reactionaries is good

Defending United Fruit from niggers is bad

Thats subjective

Do you actually think that's likely, considering I grew up in a country which uses him as a canonical example of evil?

What exactly is your criticism of Stalin? How was he a dumbass gangster?

I think you don't actually know anything specific and you're just reproducing the ideology you're surrounded by,

This is the true face of capitalism. It relies on LITERALLY denying the humanity of some portion of the population by calling morality subjective.

None were the good guys. It's war.

The british and US forces treated their PoW's the best, and whatever memes are currently popular, the US forces were utter heroes. A generation brought up in the depression, denied luxuries stepped up to the biggest call to giving up what little you had and sacrificed themselves for what they believed to be right.

>Do you actually think that's likely, considering I grew up in a country which uses him as a canonical example of evil?
Looking at modern schools, universities and your posts, yes
>What exactly is your criticism of Stalin? How was he a dumbass gangster?
I already pointed out he was a paranoid jackass that killed anyone that was in the way of his consolation of power.
Even his supporters
>I think you don't actually know anything specific and you're just reproducing the ideology you're surrounded by.
Sounds like you're trying to use a question begging epithet and a tu quoque.
Not a argument

That's subjective
Your opinions aren't "fact"
Even A.I says communism is a failure

As opposed to your retarded system? And what do you mean by >LITERALLY denying?

How come we only invaded germany after stalingrad and kursk?

DDay was the first battle of the cold war, we invaded germany after it was obvious they would lose so we could partition them and fight communism, same as korea.

Go back to your jordan peterson videos, honestly.

>morality subjective.
Prove morals exist

>It's war
No it wasn't? What are you talking about, at no point did op indicate that he was talking about ww2

No Stalin was an insane egomaniac. He turned a movement of workers uniting into a cult about himself. He killed more civilians than even Hitler.

He captured civilians for made up, banale reasons to work to their death building infrastructure and canals. He shot 200 of his best officers because they were suspicious, leading to embarassment by the finns. Stalin was utterly fucking deranged, and if USSR would've stayed in power, you can bet your ass Orwell's prophecies would've rang true.

>Prove morals exist
capitalists

Also, no more heroic than the soviet soldiers, who actually fought to defend their homes and loved ones as their nation was being ravaged by the german war machine

>capitalists
What about them?
Elaborate

someone posted this thread in my anarcho-capitalist discord

>Do you actually think that's likely, considering I grew up in a country which uses him as a canonical example of evil?
That argument could be used for Hitler

Sorry I meant

>prove morals exist
>capitalists

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Shit you're right, whoops

I said the US forces during WW2. It's not like the people on the ground made the call where to invade. Why don't you take a look at how much of your everyday life you take for given and then imagine what it would be like for them.

Go get drunk on red wine with your revolutionary buddies and never amount to really anything causing you to turn permanently bitter while you turn thirty.

Right, except no one ITT is being accused of falling for Hitler's cult of personality...

Are you just really eager to defend Hitler to the point you bring it up out of nowhere?

You're dodging the question
You said "denying the humanity of some portion of the population by calling morality subjective."
Prove your assertion

prove what assertion

>Right, except no one ITT is being accused of falling for Hitler's cult of personality...
This thread is about communism and dumbass like you who fall for it
Also know the proper use of ellipses
>Are you just really eager to defend Hitler to the point you bring it up out of nowhere?
Can you point out where I defended Hitler?
I'll wait

Throw men untill no ammo kill ppls families who desert, generallu just repress and kill goyim.

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>denying the humanity of some portion of the population by calling morality.
Let me guess, this is the part where you are [merely pretending to be retarded]

Yet still according to historian Niall Fergusson the survivability rate as a PoW, you would not want to end up in the brave soviet hands.

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Mad about what?
I don't give a shit about Cubans, let them starve under Castro, I am Spanish.

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What assertion specifically are you asking me to prove

Oh it's the 100% Iberian face again.

dios mio...

>proves my point
The assertion that morals aren't subjective

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I would burn this trash paper, and nuke that island.

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you want me to prove morality is real?

Are you acknowledging capitalism and morality are incompatible?

Oh please, I'm on your side against the edgy revolutionary, but making him prove objective morality in a discussion about the USSR is pointless and just a way of derailing the argument

The "Cuban" state is a trash state that shouldn't even exist, not that I even give a shit about a carribbean island of niggers, I will move to Basque country and settle there.

This makes no sense, Putin is one of the spoiled compradores we installed. He's not a communist

like I said, capitalism depends on racism

I don't care what you think.

How are you calling me edgy when I'm the one talking about right and wrong and equality and racism, and the other side are the ones saying >"heh.... so you really think good exists in this world? there's no good or evil, kid, morality is subjective... kid"

I'm gonna go jack off but I'll be back, so don't act as if I ran away from the argument

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I don't even really agree with the other anons about morality, but damn you really do sound like a tryhard /leftpol/ faggot.

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Question deflection wont help you
From a non-communists point of view
communism and morality are incompatible.
Stop dodging the question and answer it.