Do Americans call California Commiefornia IRL?

Conservatives do it all the time, ever look at the comments on a Faux News article?

>Their state motto is the most libertarian cheese: "live free or die". lol
Why are you laughing? Freedom is the most important value.

I asked IRL, not on the internet.

of course, it's just tacky. And libertarians are rife with contradictions which makes it all the worse.

I think calling globalisation left wing is the weirdest part as well
Literally free market at the expense of the working class, how much more right wing is there

>modern American libertarians are essentially alt-right...
those aren't libertarians then. what the hell is a modern libertarian there's only one kind of libertarian

>IRL
no

good post

the other day when that guy in Toronto killed all those people, conservatives were saying it was Islamic terrorism even after learning he was of Armenian descent. Fucking Armenia, one of the oldest Christian nations on Earth that was utterly destroyed by the Ottoman turks.

>anything at the expense of the working class

VERY right wing nigga.

>tfw America thinks it has a Democracy

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Cuba wasn't even mediocre communism. It was just a mad man's playground.

Only republitards, alt right, and conservashit a think this way

I was born and raised in California. I still live here and I routinely refer to it as commiefornia. When you have to live here and put up with our retarded ass state government and their stupid bullshit then you will understand.

California is the worst run state in the union. Look into it.

I think commiefornia is only used in context. Rarely hear people just calling it commiefornia for no reason.

t. Californian who makes decent money and feels he pays too much of it to commiefornian government

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Only rednecks

I hear conservative californians say it when they're complaining about the taxes or gun control or whatever.

it was never Communist, Communism is the stage after socialism. They're still building up Socialism, Democratically, while being cut off from much of the world in trade.

Actually California is the most democratic state in America, and if it was a nation, it would've been the most democratic nation on Earth. Few people know that California and few other small states have direct democracy on a level that would make even Switzerland jealous.

Local governance, private initiate, decentralization and direct democracy principles are what made California so wealthy and prosperous.

For example, all local and state judges, police sheriffs, state and town councils are directly voted by the people. The local and state income depends on the local and state economy. People have numerous rights to withdraw any mayor, chief or even governor they don't like, and this has happened before in the past.

Any new law regarding taxes or debt must be first put to referendum and approved by all people.

The issue with California rather comes from a loophole in the constitution which allows spending by borrowing money without raising taxes, because they know people would not allow taxes to be risen.

California is the absolute opposite of Communism.

accurate. now fuck off commie

>For example, all local and state judges, police sheriffs, state and town councils are directly voted by the people. The local and state income depends on the local and state economy. People have numerous rights to withdraw any mayor, chief or even governor they don't like, and this has happened before in the past.
it's the same in Cuba.

None of their workers own the means of production. Doesn't sound like socialism to me.

This sounds beautiful

the trade unions/state owns the means of production, the the members of those delegations are ex-workers themselves who were democratically voted in by their fellow workers. Say you're a great worker in your shop, and you want to run for local office or something- you can do that and if your workers can vouch for you that you're a respectable, trustworthy person you can get elected and work your way up through the state.

But the state is still not the same as the people in this case. Also, even though unions are a nice step, it's still not ownership.

also, socialism is unique to every nation and it's material conditions. Which is why you see time and time again different schools of Marxist thought popping up around the world (see: Juche in the DPRK)

>Juche

Complete meme and nothing to do with socialism. If a fat midget can tell you what you can or cannot do, there's no egalitarianism.

No it's not, far from it. In California, almost every representative on a local or State level is directly elected by the people, and almost every new law on taxes, regulations on debt must be first approved by a State referendum. People can easily organize a referendum on any topic they want, they have a ''veto-referendum'' right, which means they can vote down a law passed by the California government, they can also recall any representative they don't like, they can also organize ''civil groups'' to monitor the administrative work. There are so many private initiatives, and the direct democracy and local self rule principles are taken an insanely high level, any nation can only dream of having that type of system.

t. butthurt underage spastic

>Retarded libertarians unironically call it Commiefornia and use it as an example of "failed U.S. socialism"

It literally is though, outside of the tech and movie industry bubbles it's an absolute shithole. Probably has something to do with its white population being about 40% desu

In 20 years time the only good thing left in California will be Yosemite

It's embarrassing how stupid you are.

It's a direct democratic process, workers representing workers. What would you propose they do differently? Keep in mind this is Cuba we're talking about, they don't exactly have the infrastructure of other states. They completely skipped the Capitalist phase and went straight from revolution to building Socialism with the threat of America looming just a few skips across the water.

DPRK is so closed off I reserve judgement, but Kim jong Un has given multiple speeches in which he refers to himself and the DPRK as a revolutionary socialist state.

youtube.com/watch?v=xBXZ-8aQj3w

if NK is such a totalitarian shithole why do defectors time and time again try and return home? Not to mention there have been dozens of instances of defectors propagating western lies about the DPRK for a book deal/money, and then later coming out and saying "yeah, no, it was all sensationalized because it sells books. It isn't so bad there."

>Probably has something to do with its white population being about 40% desu
aaaaaaaand there it is. You retards literally cannot talk economics or policy without bringing race into it.

i try not to think about California IRL

Say it with me libcucks

THIRD WORLD SHITHOLE

>Knowingly exposing others to HIV should no longer be a felony, state Senate says
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>Knowingly exposing others to HIV should no longer be a felony, state Senate says
Knowingly exposing others to HIV should no longer be a felony, state Senate says
>Knowingly exposing others to HIV should no longer be a felony, state Senate says
Knowingly exposing others to HIV should no longer be a felony, state Senate says

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California has larger economy than the UK, despite being only 40 million people, and on per capita basis it's twice as rich as UK. The standards of living in California is something the average British citizen can't even imagine or comprehend. It's like asking an Eskimo about living near the beach.

>aaaaaaaand there it is. You retards literally cannot talk economics or policy without bringing race into it.

...because blacks and beaners with two digit IQs and third world norms can successfully replace whites in the 6th biggest economy in the world, right? It worked so well in sub saharan Africa after all

>Being a NK sympathizer

As far as how to improve the Cuban democratic process, I'd give greater control to individual businesses (owned directly by the workers) as well as encouraging foreign investment by easing on the socialist laws for them, but still maintaining strong workers rights.

Literal Jow Forums propaganda. You're a bitter faggot.

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you have such an infantile understanding of the world it's incredible.

I like California, but I would never want to live there myself. The housing is so expensive it's not uncommon to meet people living in their cars.

>California has larger economy than the UK, despite being only 40 million people, and on per capita basis it's twice as rich as UK. The standards of living in California is something the average British citizen can't even imagine or comprehend. It's like asking an Eskimo about living near the beach.

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>only 40 million people
How can you say a place 'only' has 40 million people? That's more people than all of Canada.

>Posts a picture

Literally feels over reals

You're an absolute thicko if Commiefornia's long term prospects aren't influenced by its demographic transition from first world anglo capitalist paradise to third world zambo cocktail. It's no coincidence that cities in the PNW and mid-west absolutely hate the Commiefornian transplants white flighters who try to settle there and bring your faggy liberal politics with them

I don't love the DPRK or anything, I just don't buy into the sensationalized IT'S LITERALLY AUSCHWITZ garbage the west feeds us, because it's been proven false time and time again.

If I'm given the option to side with a noted socialist revolutionary state or the CIA dogs of course I'm going to sympathize with the socialists. Is the DPRK perfect? I don't know, no, probably not, I don't think they consider themselves perfect either. Do I wish them success in building a functional, democratic Socialist state? of course.

Only in some places it's expensive, such as some neighborhoods in LA and the bay area of SF, which is mostly due to the scarcity of land, and the rent control, which is a law limiting the supply of housing, and when you have limited supply but high demand, you get high prices.

The thing is that, if people knew what the issue is, they can very easily vote for any law they want, even if the politicians disagree. Which is something you can't do in most, if not all other countries, with few exceptions like Switzerland.

''Only'' compared to UK, which has almost 70 million. That's almost half.

I suppose that makes sense, still feels weird to me to hear an amount of people that's larger than the population of my country be referred to as a relatively small amount.

Have you ever driven through the central valley cities OP? it's like you've been transported to a third world Soviet shithole

>electing judges
>especially in common law

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The point is that, a state of 40 million people produces more and is more productive than a nation of almost 70 million.

>The housing is so expensive
yep
> it's not uncommon to meet people living in their cars.
never once seen someone do this

Bro, your country is literally a 3rd world shithole compared to California, which explains why thousands of British migrants immigrate every year to America, specifically California, and no, it's not just because of weather.

Well population alone isn't the best indicator of economic robustness

Not just judges, but almost every public representative. For example in France, the chief justice is elected by the politicians who were directly elected by the people, but in the US, and especially California, all public servants, from state judges to municipal councilors are voted directly by the people, which increases the level of accountability. Not to even mention the right to veto-referendum, and private initiate.

How do they avoid voter burnout?

Can you expand on the private initiative?

Of course, not having a royal family parasites that suck half your income helps a lot. Also, having a real -- not a quasi representative democracy also helps a lot.

To give you an example with Bulgaria. The chief justice is elected -- anonymously -- by politicians who were not directly voted in by the people, but indirectly thought party lists. Same goes for all provincial and local judges, police chiefs and town councils. There is virtually no direct democracy, and no local governance. The local expenditure is not connected to the local economy, but it's all centrally funded. Politicians are nominated and funded by the State, and not by private donations or membership fees like it in most EU countries. And then we wonder why the Public servants are not accountability to us the people, and why there is so much corruption. It's because of lack of transparency and accountability.

>Town councils

What? How is this decided without the vote of the people?

Hello Terrone

Well, elections for different public servants are not held in one day, and when it comes to referendums, they are limited to 1 topic at a time. The State usually sends you a guide book before the referendum containing information about the two points of view, and where you can get more information. It's very summarized and easy to understanding. For example, the referendum on legalization of marijuana contained only several sentences, but it had all the info you need to know.

>all public servants
Do they vote for their policemen?

The political parties appoint a town council, for that reason, it's not uncommon to have a council of a city he has never lived in, it's obviously done through party lines. The centralized system blocks the people from governing themselves more efficiently. For example, the money a province can spend on their own issues does not come from the local economy, but from the central budget. In most if not all EU countries, there is a strong local governance and the local economy is linked to the local expenditure. There are probably no Bulgarians who actually know the names of their own town council, including me. I have no idea who represents me.

Citizens can petition and call for a referendum on a law proposed by them, they can also petition a change in the constitution.

Also, through petition they can call for referendum on the recalling of a politician, judge, police chief, mayor or town council they don't like anymore. This happened in California few years ago after a mayor tried to block a law that people voted in by referendum, the people held a referendum to oust the mayor.

That sounds great, but it would depend on how easy it is to call a referendum.

Not policeman, the chief of the local police department. In Bulgaria, if a town or a city is not happy with the way the police do their job, they can't do anything but to wait 4 years until a new national elections are held, and then a new minister of justice is elected, and THEN maybe he would change this one local police chief. But in the US, and California especially, people can vote in and out any police chief they don't think is doing his job. Also, the State ministers are also voted by the people, but in Bulgaria, we can't even vote for the national minister of education who is CLEARLY not doing his job.

New England and mid Atlantic States are richer than California per capita. California is just a big State of 40 million people.

If you unit NY (20M), NJ (9M), CT (3.5M) and MA (7M), it would be richer than California with as many inhabitants.

>not real lolbertism :v)

5% of the people must sigh a petition to hold a referendum, the timeline is 180 days (5/6 months), the results are automatically approved. For comparison in Bulgaria it takes 3 months and 400,000 people just to held a referendum, and after that, to be legal, more people must have voted than the number of the last parliamental elections , which means more than 5 million people... a country with less than 7 million under a massive demographic crisis. I.e. it's virtually impossible to even hold a referendum let alone be legal.

PS: I didn't say California wasn't absolutely wealthy.

Sure, but I'm pretty sure that accounting for inequality, places like CT or NJ wouldn't be there.

Forgot to mention that, in California roughly 20/30 referendums are held each year on various topics such as changes in the constitution, taxation, regulations and so on. In Bulgaria.. since 1900, only 4 referendums have been held, from which only 1 has been legally approved. This is the difference between centralized and decentralized forms of governance.

It's almost like most Americans are retarded and assign labels without knowing what they are.

I think California has more income inequality than CT.

Are you studying Political Science? I don't think I've ever met a Californian that knows a third of what you know.

I hear it all the time here in Kentucky

Euronigger-tier gun rights

The northeast has better cities
Oregon and Washington have better forests
Florida and Hawaii have better beaches
Arizona and Nevada have better deserts
Utah and Colorado have better mountains

California is exactly like a mall food court. It has everything but mediocre versions of everything. That’s why tourists never visit

No, but i've lived there, and i've read couple of books about the American democracy, especially the direct Democracy of California.

California has lost 1 million white people since 2000, replacing the richest demographic with poor Spics.

Sounds sustainable

Where did you live? Could you recommend some please?

I meant recommend books.

Why do people talk like Commieland is as powerful as New York City (finance center - more important than tech and entertainment combined), DC (political center) or Texas (oil, which the modern economy runs off of)

some

do you know what gdp is

because it is

In San Diego :) but before that in Chicago for a while. The two states couldn't be more different. In California people feel in charge of their own state, but in Chicago it's not like that.

Recommend what?

No. It would be embarrassing.

It’s a function of how many “””””””people””””” live there and happen to use US currency. Overinflated

If NYC Finance companies really wanted to, they’d fuck over California. What can california do to anyone else besides give every other state white people?

Yes all the time. I live in California and the conservatives here call it commiefornia quite often.

One of my favorite books is in Bulgarian, written by another Bulgarian who lived in the US, so i can't recommend that. My main focus of interest is the gilded age. Few people know that America had a similar issues with oligarchy and political machines like many countries - including Bulgaria have today.

Change in America came mostly from the Western (less populated, and therefore less corrupt) states who pushed for changes in the constitution. The silver bullet of the political machines of the 1900s in America was the introduction of direct election of senators, primaries (i.e. the people nominate their candidates, rather than the party leaders), and cutting the state subsidy over the parties and replacing it with private donations and membership fees among others. In almost all EU states with the notable exception of Bulgaria, the State subsidy for parties is limited to less than 50% in order to avoid dependency.

Accountability of political to the people can come only if the politicians are - nominated, financed and elected DIRECTLY by the people, that is the case in US, and especially California, and almost all EU states, except .. Bulgaria.

I would recommend any book by Milton Friedman - freedom to choose. Another one is the rise and decline of nations (it's an old one, but i think its good). Also, ''Financing direct democracy: revisiting the research on campaign spending and private initiative''. Generally, any information about how the US dealt with the political machines of the 19th century would be useful information.