The EC on Wednesday went ahead with controversial plans to link distribution of EU funds in member states to respect for rule of law issues.
The EU executive under its proposals for the next EU budget wants to introduce a new mechanism to discipline countries where the judiciary has been put under political pressure.
The executive led by Juncker wants to be able to "suspend, reduce or restrict access to EU funding" in a proportionate manner to protect EU investments and EU taxpayers' money. "Only an independent judiciary that upholds the rule of law and legal certainty in all member states can ultimately guarantee that money from the EU budget is sufficiently protected," the commission said.
According to the proposal the procedure could be invoked by the EC when authorities managing EU money "proper functioning of investigation and public prosecution of fraud or corruption relating to the budget" and judicial review are in danger in an EU country.
The move is seen as a way to sanction EU members notably Poland and Hungary two countries which the EU has investigated in recent years for curbing the judiciary's independence.
Commission president Juncker insisted that the measure is not against any member state. "It's not a Polish question it is a general question" he told reporters.
According to the proposal the commission wants to remain in control of the decision. Member states have proven to be reluctant to sanction one another undermining any effort by the commission to rein in countries challenging EU values. Under the new plans the commission could trigger the procedure after which the EU country concerned would have one month to explain itself. The commission then decides on whether to suspend funds with only the majority of EU member states able to overturn the decision. That broad commission power could upset member states making a deal difficult. The measures would stay until the commission decides the deficiencies in the judiciary no longer exist.
They hope to curb Russian influence by forcibly assimilating them to western European culture
Noah Scott
they have a lot of space to work with considering the EU is viewed most positively in the east
Caleb Diaz
Why do you think West Europeans even want to contain Russian influence? We are just some bydlos who make a convenient buffer zone for them when Russia goes tard rage again. Germany preaches to Poland while ignoring Russian sanctions do make easy money. Same thing with energy. Germany is praised for it´s green energy initiatives while their CO2 emissions rise because nuclear power hurts their feelings. They say we need to diversify our energy imports to raise energy security, so they build a fucking gas pipeline from Russia. Westerners are a bunch of fucking hypocrites.
Cooper Sanders
Why did Eastern European countries even join EU in the first place if they don't want to respect the rule of law?
Hudson Price
For economic benefit.
Landon Jenkins
Kinda leechy thing to do desu
Josiah Campbell
how dare they join an economic union for economic reasons
Matthew Gonzalez
EU was a political Union in 2004
Daniel Reed
Cant leave this piece of shit soon enough, if the EU refuse to reduce costs and increase efficiency why the fuck should we keep throwing money into the sink, retarded bureaucracy circlejerk. Fuck it.
Ryder Clark
Joining the free market was probably a bigger motivator than subsidies. I wouldn't call joining an economic zone for access to their market leeching.
Parker Flores
We do respect the rule of law. It is ex-communists who lost their comfy jobs scream now that we do not respect the constitution and for some reson western politicians believe them. As for me it was a right move to get rid of all people who served for the previous system. If the EU wants us to keep red scum then they should give them a shelter in their own countries.
John Scott
>EU values oh fuck off cunts
Samuel Gutierrez
Aren´t there ex-commies in the Law and Justice Party as well?
Hunter Murphy
There is one converted and retarded opposition is using him as an example of how corrupt is LnJ party. Really pathetic.
Connor Adams
kurwa debilu jebany wypierdalaj na /p*l/ śmieciu prawaczku śmierdzący
Jacob Johnson
>kurwa debilu jebany I seem to have started to pick up some Polish over the years.
Camden Robinson
my russian-estonian buddy says the exact same thing, lmao.
Western Europe has already invested trillions in Poland, they can't kick us out.
And I don't see how the rule of law is violated here. The only change is that politicians have more power in the process of electing judges which is normal in many western countries including Germany as well. Why do you think the system where judges elect other judges is any better? Why would judges be less corrupt than politicians? Why do you think judges don't want to support their cousins or cronies? I trust politicians more because they were democratically elected by the people.
John Gray
>Western Europe has already invested trillions in Poland, they can't kick us out.
Sunk cost fallacy
Jordan Watson
Based. Can't have an Union with rogue states running around refusing to fulfill their responsibilities.
Austin Cruz
It will just be abused to force your countries into islamic dieversity.
Adrian Williams
BTW the EU violates its own law. They want to punish us even though no one sentenced us. He'll, no one even accused us for anything at court. This situation is like a Kafka's book - Poland will be punished even though no court ruled against us, the procedure that is meant to be used in such cases (article 7) wasn't finished either. How is THIS the rule of law?
Christopher Scott
Not giving you gibs is not punishing you, it's not giving you our money. Fucking leech. I hope EU destroys itself over this, the whole 2004 enlargement was a fatal mistake. Better to burn the whole rotten building to the ground.
Asher Rivera
The migrant quotas for EE countries are very small, basically symbolic. The ones that do end up here run for the West at the first opportunity.
Kevin Hernandez
And nobody sanctions you yet. A court will decide if the statement is true that your jurisdication isn't free enough and then you will be sanctioned if the majority of member states does not disagree.
Learn to read.
Carter Lee
We joined the EU only for money. Without it it doesn't make sense to be there, it doesn't have any other profits.
And yes, this is kind of a punishment, because the EU promised us money when we were about to join it and now it doesn't want to fulfill it's obligations. The EU doesn't respect it's own fucking law yet it accuses us for breaking the law. A bunch of hypocrites.
They can't stop giving us money until we're deemed guilty by the European Council following the provision of the Article 7 or by the EU Court of Justice.
And I don't know why you even care about the rule of law in Poland. How does the system of electing judges in Poland affect your personal life? I'm sure it doesn't. So stop crying. We get EU money and work for cheap in your factories so you could buy cheap goods in your shops. We like it, you like it. Stop thinking of how political things are going here.
Nolan Sullivan
I hope the sl*vs suffer
Zachary Rodriguez
t. leech
Lucas Stewart
nexit
Chase Carter
hold the fuck up pierre, not all slavs are bad. We for an example are majority pro-EU and francophiles as well, don't confuse southern slavs with n*rthern slavs
Oliver Nelson
Based EU
Hudson Evans
>And I don't know why you even care about the rule of law in Poland. How does the system of electing judges in Poland affect your personal life? I'm sure it doesn't. So stop crying. We get EU money and work for cheap in your factories so you could buy cheap goods in your shops. We like it, you like it. Stop thinking of how political things are going here.
Because I don't want my country to be in a political union doing business with an authoritarian shitholes. I'd rather see the Union collapse than to continue doing business with Poland or Hungary.
Brody Lewis
It's ok, eastern europeans There is always a choice...
Absolutely The USSR is to the Russian Federation what the German Empire was to Weimar and later the 3rd Reich.
Ethan Hughes
France is the most civilized nation in Europe from all the relevant ones. It should be leading the EU, not G*rmany
Ayden Gonzalez
The EU is a fucking scam.
Aaron Lee
You buy so much stuff from an authoritarian country like China and you don't see anything wrong with it. Polish political system doesn't affect you at all. We don't make you adopt it in your country, you don't have to come here or anything. You're in the "political union" with many countries like with Russia in UN, so what? As long as it doesn't affect your life - why would you care? Poles don't complain.
Joseph Martin
You get my gibs monies. No gibs for authoritarian shitholes!
Asher Davis
Bulgarian are honourary francs
Connor Rivera
Well, when they practice realpolitik you shouldn't be surprised. I won't say it's not scummy, though
Austin Thomas
>Commission president Juncker insisted that the measure is not against any member state. "It's not a Polish question it is a general question" he told reporters. lmao what a dishonest cunt If he wants to get into political slapfights he could at least be open about his agenda. It's not like it's not obvious.
Caleb Nguyen
The eu was a mistake
Robert Miller
>t. ate without a fork and threw excrements through windows until his king visited Poland
Mason Smith
>Well, when they practice realpolitik you shouldn't be surprised. That´s probably one of the main reason Western countries are so successful. When westerners bomb people or fuck other nations over they always manage to give an impression of goodwill and righteousness no matter their real motivations, when others practice realpolitik it´s Machiavellian and cold-hearted. Can´t say I´m not impressed though.
Gabriel Allen
There's nothing dishonest about his statement though? The EU clearly lacks any institutionalized method of dealing with states that skirt around their responsibilities, Poland has only demonstrated this problem.
Nolan Walker
>while also containing Russian influence? EU and post-WW2 Western Europe never tried to contain the Russian influence. Why would they? They'd get along with Putin if not for their American overseers and the anti-Putin Eastern European EU members. See Nordstream. Or any Western right-wing party, they always suck Putin's dick. This.
Isaac Scott
this weź zatamuj odbyt komuszku
Gabriel Sanchez
Do you seriously believe the initial quotas wouldn't be followed by more of them?
Aiden Barnes
A paintjob is not much of a choice
Owen Clark
Even if the quotas are increased, they will leave within a month
Hunter Brooks
They were not followed by more of them though. The only way for them to be increased would be for another human catastrophe to happen.
Cooper Rodriguez
They should also curb funds for any member state that doesn't take in their fair share of refugees.
If Poland and Hungary had taken in their fair share, there wouldn't be such a huge load on Germany, Sweden and other countries.
Joseph Wilson
God bless EU
Tyler Rodriguez
The EU isn't there for money distribution. The EU doesn't even have enough money for it, as it constantly requests payments at rich countries. And the courts of these countries have to decide later. The EU itself would long be bankrupt without it. That's why this stance. It is there to subsidice some EU project, but not to finance whole country deficites.
Thomas Sanchez
Why do you keep making these threads, Macedonianon?
Owen Lewis
We are actually an export country regarding energy and our emissions are the lowest in the EU still. Our politicians just milk the lower CO2 limit. Don't be a fool and say you wouldn't use it, if you could.
>Germany preaches to Poland while ignoring Russian sanctions do make easy money pic related, where are the eastern countries, Poland excluded?
There's absolutely nothing fair about those shares, because they were never a part of the whole deal. Accepting them is a completely random demand. We don't get funds for importing potential rapists and terrorists, we get funds for very specifically defined economic laws to which we adapted. That's the exchange.
Joseph Rivera
Oh no, what will we do
Jason Lee
Interesting, why is Norway so high? I thought Russia is one of those countries which doesn't really need Norway's oil.
Jacob Bell
I dont pay any taxes that go towards the communist party in China, do you even realize how unlegitimate would the EU be seen in Western Europe when Poland and Hungary just say fuck off to everything that doesn't involve giving them money to improve their countries?
