How come Portugal's colonies in South America stayed as one big country post-independence instead of splintering into...

How come Portugal's colonies in South America stayed as one big country post-independence instead of splintering into many small countries?

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because it was only 1 colony, not several different colonies.

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This is incorrect... originally the country was ~14 colonies, then merged into 2 colonies, then eventually merged again into one.

Long story short: atypical independence.

For most countries, you had people taking on arms and actually fighting for their lands. This originated a bunch of countries, regardless of colonial divisions.

For Brazil though it was more like the Portuguese prince (Peter I / IV) splitting the "kingdom of Brazil" and "kingdom of Portugal and the Algarves" crowns. He did it because they knew they would be unable to deal with republicans and the independence movements at the same time, so at least the kingdom was still his familiar possession. Eventually he tried to remerge the crowns and stirred some trouble in Portugal, but he failed.

inb4 why were the colonies a kingdom?

This was done in a rush by John VI (Peter I's father), so it could run away from Napoleon and show its own people the middle finger without being considered in exile.

And yes, "it", I refuse to call that piece of shit by human pronouns.

but we wuz 13 colonies and we became one country
and brazil was like 2 or something

Maybe because they had the same language and religion. The other states were kind of scattered. Well I still don't know why Gran Colombia had to split up. Brazil will surely reap the benefits of staying unified within this century

Initially 14. Pic related - the border is slightly wrong, but this should give you an idea.

The eventual merge into "Maranhão" and "Brazil" was fairly later.

>>Maybe because they had the same language and religion.
Not really. This happened before nationalism; people overestimate the role of languages in those situations. And up to ~1750 a good chunk of the country spoke not one but three languages (Portuguese, Nhe'engatu and Tupi Austral).

On religion: you don't think the blacks and the Amerindians would simply give up their beliefs, do you? It was always religiously heterogeneous.

>Well I still don't know why Gran Colombia had to split up.
American meddling.

>Brazil will surely reap the benefits of staying unified within this century
Yeah, because paying taxes to a remote government in the fucking middle of the nowhere that creates internal strife to remain roughly coherent is surely a great thing for the population, right. /sarcasm

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That's pretty complex to explain. It has to do with the coming of the king of Portugal, Dom João VI, who made us a kingdom, not a colony anymore. He was the first European monarch to set a foot on America.

But notice, he turned Brazil into a centralized monarchy. It was maintained with the two upcoming kings, Pedro I (João's son) and Pedro II (Pedro's son), after our independence, in 1822.
Brazil is a massive HUGE country. Most of its territory was unknown, full of forests, without a free population, without civilization, without art, and without roads. It had opposing interests and a huge amount of slaves with no education.
If Brazil had not become a centralized monarchy, with a powerful king, able to stop any riot and separatist movements, how would it survive?

Cringe, but also based

Dunno if this "cringe" is directed at the history or me...

>Dunno if this "cringe" is directed at the history or me

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Don't compare American history to ours, they have nothing to do with each other, my friend.

>And yes, "it", I refuse to call that piece of shit by human pronouns.

Why

I'd say the inverse: comparing Brazil and pre-1803 USA can be really useful.

1. I was referring to all of latin america
2. our revolution inspired the french one and both of those inspired the rest in Latin America, at least our early history has a lot in common

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>If Brazil had not become a centralized monarchy, with a powerful king, able to stop any riot and separatist movements, how would it survive?

Why would you want it to survive instead of being independent states?

Portugal only got crap on their throne after the Iberian Union, and John VI was a prime example. Weak, not giving a single fuck about the Portuguese, wasteful on State resources, unable to rule but also unable to realize he was unfit.

You had already separatists movements in Latin America. E.g. shortly after the 13 colonies got theirs Pernambuco contacted them for help, but they simply went "yeah, nah, you guys solve your own problems by yourselves, we got nothing to do with this".

I actually want, bro. My dream is that the Revolution of 1932 had succeeded.

Brazil NEEDS to balkanize.

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>Portugal only got crap on their throne after the Iberian Union

Excuse me

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Fine, John V *might* be an exception, from you guys' PoV. At least he secured independence from Spain through both diplomacy and guns.

Still rather an exception compared with, let's say, Dom Dinis or Dom Afonso Henriques.

D.João IV the Restorer,D.João II the Perfect Prince

Oh right, you're trying to understand one the most complex facts about this country on Jow Forums? What about stop shitposting and do something productive like reading an actual books on this subject?

1822 talks about that, for example. "Como um homem sábio, uma princesa triste e um escocês louco por dinheiro ajudaram D. Pedro a criar o Brasil – um país que tinha tudo para não resultar" or:
>How a wise man, a sad princess and a money crazy Scotsman helped D. Pedro to create Brazil, a country that had everything to go wrong

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unironically, Masons
all "libertadores" just wanted to build their little masonic kingdoms for themselves