If socialism was a failure, then why 90% of russians want to live again under comunism?

ayyyy lmao

they chose to be there
individuality

It was for economic reasons. Not political.
Back in 1953-80s cities were clean, prices were cheap and everyone had his own flat and dacha. That's why.

do they also choose a system where is cheaper to be sick than to be healthy and companies have every economic incentive to make you sick like putting poisonous chemicals in water and food?

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yes we all did
stop pretending this isn't our choice and that there are some who choose to do the contrary

do u realize companies had said that curing diseases goes againts their economic interest?

Also, what if it's cheaper to simply pollute a river than not doing it?

Do you also agree there should be not borders and people should move freelly between countries (no borders)?

Also, do you agree that culture has not economic purpose and the only purpose of culture and art is to be basically just another corporation product to be sold?

Capitalism doens't even have a proper valuation function for art.

I think this has nothing to do with commies, Ivan
Even US (supposed polar opposite of the USSR) has lots (read: too damn many) of people idealizing the 80s right now

You are right. But you think people know?

>do u realize companies had said that curing diseases goes againts their economic interest?
yes. then why do they make people sick in purpose if they said that?
>Do you also agree there should be not borders?
no
>and people should move freelly between countries?
yes, as long as they fulfill the "welcome in" requisites of that country. their home their rules
>do you agree that culture has not economic purpose and the only purpose of culture and art is to be basically just another corporation product to be sold?
how can art and culture be sold if they have no economical purpose?
your redpill makes you high, not woke. estás delirando big zero

give me some examples of communist paradies

>no
borders goes againts globalists ideas (capitalists).

>yes
no, capitalists are flooding white nations with shitskins.

>economical purpose
art has not economical purpose retard.

That's like saying religion has an economic purpose.
The point of art isn't economical but spiritual.

Otherwise you may think an orchestra playing beethoven and surviving on goverment grants is worse than nigger doing crime music because nigger music is more profitable.

Cuba has less crime, less poverty, better healthcare system than the US.
Also they have higher literacy and no AIDS.

>a system where is cheaper to be sick than to be healthy
...you mean existing in general?

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people were healthier back in the XIX century than in modern day america.

keeping a sick population makes companies make record profits.

Fake news.

>the only purpose of culture and art is to be basically just another corporation product to be sold
you said that not me
who's the retard here?

>people were healthier back in the XIX century than in modern day america
which is why they all died of influenza. ya right
>keeping a sick population makes companies make record profits
but didn't you yourself say that companies have losses if people get sick? (less workforce, more health insurance expenditures, etc.)

>people were healthier back in the XIX century
Blatantly false.

>you said that
e-flux.com/journal/43/60205/art-without-market-art-without-education-political-economy-of-art/

Literally google: art evaluation in a capitalist system.

capitalism doesn't have a real fair evaluation of art beyond making money.
Is a fair critique of capitalism.
capitalism makes your culture into a shit version of the worst of american culture.

>people were healthier
obesity levels.
cancer was literally unknown before 1950.

people simply got sick and died back in 19 century, but overall average people lived lives without having to take drugs every day for the rest of their lives because they didn't exist.

>Cuba has less crime
the government does the crime, and they don't accept competition
>less poverty
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
they can't even eat beef and they have "less poverty" hahahahahahahah
>no AIDS
fatal bullshit
once Cuba is set free all the AIDS cases will appear in broadlight and the stupid bydlo will say "with Castro we didn't have AIDS! this is a setback!"

>there were no fat people in the past
because everyone was starving
>cancer was literally unknown before 1950
yeah before that it was called "blight from the gods" or "strange tumoration"
>overall average people lived lives without having to take drugs every day for the rest of their lives
nigga are you admitting you stopped taking your anti-psychotic pills? you NEED those pills
back then the people like you would die during a violent exorcism or locked away in an asylum

>capitalism makes your culture into a shit version of the worst of american culture
not in my country, does it happen in your country?

>average cuban earnings are 17-30 USD a month
I guess when everyone is poor, no one is right comrade?

>less crime
of course there is less, because when the government doesn't release statistics it doesn't exist right?

>literacy rate
dictatorships fucking love high literacy rates so people can read the state run newspaper and propaganda

mybudget360.com/35-million-americans-on-food-stamps-12-percent-of-us-population-on-food-stamps-highest-since-records-kept-in-1969/

12% of americans can't even afford food.

forbes.com/sites/maggiemcgrath/2016/01/06/63-of-americans-dont-have-enough-savings-to-cover-a-500-emergency/#4bcdd6c04e0d

63% of americans don't even have 500 bucks in savings for an emergency.

businessinsider.com/heres-the-average-net-worth-of-americans-at-every-age-2017-6

average american household wealth is the same as a thirld worlder (40k).

nbcnews.com/health/health-news/drugs-alcohol-suicide-killing-more-americans-ever-n850266

Americans are killing themselves because of drugs and depression.
Life is so much better in a capitalist country.

Modern day india, China and japan have less than 5% obesity rate.
India has a 0% obesity rate.

But yeah, keep repeating cold war capitalist propaganda.

reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/7yfd9a/this_is_how_brainwashed_americans_are_about/

>there's not brainwashing under america
you're entire educational system is a propaganda machine retard.

>people simply got sick and died back in 19 century
Yeah, quite a lot of them like kids in their first year of life. The mothers in childbirth. People who got pneumonia, tuberculosis or some other easily curable disease. Your first heart attack was usually your last. If you had allergies or intolerance to something common, you probably died because nobody knew feeding you those would kill you. Cancer wasn't unknown, it just was either undiagnosed or something else killed you before you could get it.

there's not cancer on modern day populations that doesn't have a western food diet nor they live filled with wifi signals.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_China_Study

people get sick under a capitalist food system.

Do you even know what cancer is

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>India has a 0% obesity rate
ayo hol up hol up
u be saying
that India is communist????

>88% of americans eat a meal everyday
that's 287 million people out of 326M
>63% of americans are sloppy and can't manage their own finances
not the fault of the system
>Americans are killing themselves because of drugs and depression
and what do i care about that? i'm not unitedstatian

literal especulation
people had cancer in the past too

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_China_Study

cancer is result of a western diet filled with sugar and poisonous chemicals.

there's not cancer in some parts of the world that doesn't adopted a western diet.

Fits the definition of "Die before you can get cancer"

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>This article may present fringe theories, without giving appropriate weight to the mainstream view, and explaining the responses to the fringe theories. Please help improve it or discuss the issue on the talk page. (December 2015)

>there's not cancer in some parts of the world
So you don't know what cancer is, and you didn't read the page (let alone the actual book)
Good job friendo

>he doesn't know he has been so much brainwashed since child he has an emotional response over some basic criticism of capitalism
>le socialist/communism is completelly evil
literally brainwashed like all cold war americans.

medicalnewstoday.com/articles/320156.php

most of the chemicals used in western food causes cancer.

sugar is extremelly toxic for the body.

draxe.com/bpa-toxic-effects/

BPA is another chemical that is extremelly toxic but used in western food.

How do we even survive if we don't eat sugar or animal products
Is this some incredibly obtuse vegan propaganda thread disguised as an angry Colombian

there's already sugar in most food idiot, mainly fruits.

refined sugar causes cancer.
cancer is considered a job risk dissease among sugar factory workers.

>eating meat causes cancer
>eating sugar causes cancer
>eating wheat causes cancer
Yeah, yeah, everything causes cancer, we are dead men walking already. Yet the average lifespan continues to grow.

If you want to see how socialism ends, just ask some Venezuelan, I'm sure you won't have any trouble finding one in your country.

But you just directly told me that 'sugar is extremely toxic for the body', be careful when typing your insane ramblings

Regardless, the 'no animal products' thing was a pretty big mention in that book you liked
How are island nations relying on fish meant to survive?

venezuela is not socialism.

There hasn't been any socialist country EVER.

replacing the corporate lords with the party lords but keeping the same economic system in place is not socialism.

Venezuela is the fault of rellying on a single export for everything.
China is also communist but everyone keep saying is a capitalist country when it uses the same economic model as venezuela.

processed sugar is not natural dumbass.

that's like calling coca cola as natural as fruit juice.

>The information in our articles are NOT intended to replace a one-on-one relationship with a qualified health care professional and are not intended as medical advice.

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Oi, read what I said Juan
You typed out that just 'sugar' was bad, then changed to refined afterwards
I was advising you to be more accurate

Also,
>There hasn't been any socialist country EVER.
I wonder why

>Venezuela is the fault of rellying on a single export for everything
ayyyy lmao
Venezuela is the result of Chavez and his money stealing ALL of the money, with """nationalization""" of all companies
>it's not that it doesn't work, it just has never been tried!

because r*ssians are bandits, war mongers, rapists and thieves.

they know that an honest living will never pay off in their corrupt shithole, during the good old USSR days they raped anyone they wanted without much retaliation...they long for those days to return.

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sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/10/171013103623.htm
I can link plenty of journals that link cancer with sugar.

>China is state capitalism
>but let's forget that venezuela is also state capitalism
wew lads.

the propaganda has rot their brains.

marx himself said countries need to be first capitalist before becomming commies.

Chavez was a dumbass that rellied on oil high prices to give niggers free shit.

Not the fault of socialism.
>but china is not real socialism

State capitalism is the model that venezuela and china and the soviet union uses.

So tell me how socialism could be properly implemented, since nobody has ever done it

and his posse* oops
yeah look at Chavez's daugther, what an example of socialist solidarity

now find me journals that link cancer with computers
and once you realize you've been using a carcinogenic product never log in again
>Not the fault of socialism
everything's the fault of socialism, even the one that you said that """""capitalists"""""" are flooding the countries with non-whites

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Marx himself said your country need to be first a capitalist one before becoming socialist.

do u even read marx?

youtube.com/watch?v=ysZC0JOYYWw

here, have this lecture that explains what is real socialism, from a real marxist.

you do realize marx wrote socialism comes after capitalism has reached it's end?

you can't force socialism.

>try to establish socialism/communism/anarchism/whateverism
>always end up with some sort of "state capitalism"
Guess why that is

Invasion of Hungary 1956
Invasion of Czechoslovakia 1968
Invasion of Afghanistan 1979

youtube.com/watch?v=ysZC0JOYYWw

why don't you listen to marxist explaining what is real socialim like an adult rather than being triggered by the social programming you had in your MK ultra propaganda you call education?

youtube.com/watch?v=ysZC0JOYYWw

>Afghanistan
>Invasion
Burger education

your daily reminder that the USSR periosd is why r*ssians are getting killed and bombed in their own shithole afrika tier ""nation"" today.

and I fully support the total slaughter of these red animals

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The only way capitalism will 'end' is to reach full robotic slave autonomy so money is not required any more
Unless you have a time machine, you'll have to help us capitalists develop robots in the meantime

>enjoys pensions, public education, public healthcare, limited hours of works, unions, public vaccination, workers rights, which are comunists ideas first implemented in soviet union.
wtf I hate having rights.

Um yeah, USSR invaded Afghanistan in 79 and occupied it until 89.
And don't do that thing where you say "America did the same thing." I know that and amd opposed to that as well.

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ewww Arthur C. Clarke, please spare me

>why don't you listen to marxist explaining what is real socialism
because it's boring
explicamelo como si fuera un nene de 5 años, a ver

except they aren't, unless you confusing russians for ukrainians

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Norway

hey russian bolshevik cocksucker\

did you know that after my family had to leave my country because of communist persecution here during the go'ol'PRL times.

We sponsored and supported the Taliban in Afghan as r*ssian cocksuckers like you were invading the place?

they nailed a lot of your comrades too.

Allah bless them.

would do it again.

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you can't have a capitalist system where only 5% of the population have a job.

capitalist is killing himself by outsourcing or automating the jobs they need so they can sell their own products.

do u agree people (especially poor people) should have enough money to afford, food, shelter, education and basic entertainment?

If yes, you're a communist.
If no, you're a capitalist.

Hey come on, slave robots is a cool idea
Also it really is the only way colombiaposter's fantasy is coming true

>first implemented in soviet union
Have you been reading old soviet propaganda or something? But it's a deflection anyway.

USSR didn't "invade" Afghanistan. They supported the communist government fighting against the mujaheddin.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Republic_of_Afghanistan

it will also lead to stagnation,
which Arthur C always solves with """the singularity"""" bullcrap

only a Sith deals in absolutes

People were taking arms against a government they opposed.
In America, traditionally we believe it's the right of the people to overthrow any tyrannical government.

Long Reign The Taliban

you have my best wishes

youtube.com/watch?v=VeJxWA7Oy-Y

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>Stagnation
Not if there's literally anyone still studying at that point
Some people will continue trying to make things better even when not directly rewarded, they'll only stop when they believe there's nowhere else to go (and considering there are still people trying to create perpetual motion, that's never going to completely happen)

they're ideas from comunists.

capitalists goal is always to extract more wealth from it's workers by paying them less.

socialism goal is social egalitarianism.
capitalism goes againts it by wealth acumulation and wealth inequality.

How about 1968? Got anything clever to say about that?

Vietnamese people were also taking up arms against a government they opposed too.

>if you're anti-soviet you have to be a sunni-shits supporter
only a Sith deals in absolutes

studying what for? make things better what for? to live like happy hippies while being served all in hand?
seriously mate, good ol' Arthur didn't think it through
Gene Roddenberry at least invented outside threats and challenges (namely the Klingon and Romulans) to keep humanity entertained

>capitalists goal is always to extract more wealth from it's workers by paying them less
t. socialist understanding of economy

There are many different ways how to "extract" wealth from people and giving people shit wages is only one and usually not the most succesful one at that.

>companies wont outsource jobs if they can
???

Is not like is what they've been doing since 1980.

why do you think china became a powerhouse?

of course it's not the most successful
at some point there will no longer be a market if you kill the consumers

>you have to be a sunni supporter

lol no shit dumb south american cocksucker!!!

how'd you figure that 1 out?

youtube.com/watch?v=t6L-BuL4CQ8

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The Soviets btfo the Mujaheddin in almost every battle haha
youtube.com/watch?v=i8K0sW8GX-4

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you are a disgrace. repent before is too late for your soul

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>jobs are outsourced
>people where the jobs were outsourced from get poorer
>people where the jobs were outsourced to are richer
Eventually it will sort itself out. Not to mention the great outsourcing is usually a sign of uncompetetive taxation and unionization.

go fuck yourself

youtube.com/watch?v=tgODb9Bu4IM

It depends on who you're asking.

It's good for thirld worlders?
yeah, no doubt.

It's good for first worlders?
No, they will have to settle for cheaper wages, lower quality of living and becoming like a mediocre developed thirld world countries.

By logic a good that is too expensive (first worlders wage) can't compete with a cheaper good of the same quality and have to lower it's prices by some way to compete.

They're doing it via inflation in america.

>Eventually it will sort itself out
there's always a loser otherwise it can't be called a competition
then again, what do you care about unitedstatians becoming poorer? i'm not one and you're not one

I dunno, I like to argue about dumb shit on Jow Forums.

much better than hilo latino and pointless meme spam.

ahahaha alright

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>why 90% of Russians want socialism
Honest answer: it is an envy for soviet boomers, just like burgers envy their boomers. When many products were cheap (even if availability was shitty), job for everyone, etc.
Yes, there were tons of shit which comes with that, but in all honesty many poor Russians see this as an upgrade. Russian "flyover state" is outside of Moscow and St. Petersburg and it wants communism. Also aliens in Moscow who can't afford buying an apartment in their lifetime who think that if there was socialism they would receive a free flat.
>inb4 angry moscowpidor reply

>No, they will have to settle for cheaper wages, lower quality of living and becoming like a mediocre developed thirld world countries
It's called not living above your means. Which the West has been doing for a very long time by basically eating away their future.

well, acording to capitalits theories of economics, some more expensive good will have to become cheaper to compete with a cheaper good, in this case wages.

There's not reason why a company should pay an european or american 100 bucks per hour when It can hire a really smart south american for half the price or an indian or chinese for like 1/6 of the wage.

after 100 years of being communist slaves, the uncertainty of change is difficult to accept. ofc, communism murdered and oppressed them but they became used to it and made lives in this system.
populism (giving free shit) is an addiction difficult to overcome for a society

there's a famous saying
"a bear locked in cage for 20+ years will remain inside the cage once the doors are open"

Except this is incredibly simplistic and doesn't reflect reality. First, you are ignoring distances. Shipping isn't free and while some goods can pay off to have shipped from China, it's not all of them. Second, quality management. A customer expects a certain level of quality and chinks and indians might not be able to provide that. Third, productivity. You might quite well reduce the price by making shit more effectively. Then there is control, risk of losing know-how (if you make something in China, you can bet your ass chinks are going to copy it and try to make it even cheaper). Also, if everything gets outsourced, how are the outsourcing companies going to sell the shit they produce cheaper now when the customers are poorer?

Are all Colombians mentally disabled or is it just this tripfag

the majority of their posters is,
but this tripfag gets all the kudos in it
guess what other boards he frequents? Jow Forums, Jow Forums, Jow Forums, Jow Forums and /ic/