Would have exclusive control of the entry and exit of the Mediterranean Sea if it had a powerful navy

Why are peninsular goyims so retarded?

Stoo being a stupid goy, I have not seen a single rational spanish goy thar has half a brain.

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Shut up GOYIM.
Catalonia is Spain.

>has no rivals because it's ruled by a jewish-masonic puppet government
>France has no reason to invade since they are ruled by the same people
>there's nothing worth trading in south america or africa
Why should we waste billions of Euros to create a navy that will be used to serve the interests of foreign powers? If it were up to me we wouldn't even have an army to begin with.

the question of why large and populous countries with empires changed in power so much between the start of the colonial age and the enlightenment is a interesting and multifaceted question. It needs a book probably.

I would say that Spain's military tradition made it a power in the first place but lack of a strong economic tradition caused it to fall behind, very generally

Catalonians are the jews of the iberian peninsula
I say nuke them both out of existence

are you jewish now?

You are GOYIM, are you Jew?

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It’s a function of culture. Its medieval mindset was okay in the 1400/1500s, but from the late 1600s-on it was just outdated. Add to that Napoleon and later the USA and Spain became one step above irrelevant nothing country despite its size, population, and location.

nuke sp*in

If you aren't a chosen son of david and house of Israel, you are a GOYIM.

> size, population
We were always underpopulated compared to other empires like France, Russia or Turkey. We overachieved.

Spain was 20 million in 1940

>is so stupid he can't speak Spanish or English properly
>always gives autistic answers not related to the question
>is here all day and posts himself
Do you have some sort of mental disease? I'm not even joking.

Cuz Portugal does those things xddd

Maintain colonies was pretty expensive

You have a respectable population today. Not sure why you didn’t reach Britain/France levels, though. Holland at least has the excuse of being tiny.

Shut up goyim

What is British or netherlands levels?

>retarded kings
>corruption
>insufficient population/infrastructures
>butthurt self-hating people thinking that fighting civil wars is better than having industrial revolution and a decent economy

The day you finally pass away is going to be a happy day m8.

There are parts of Castille with a lower pop density than Siberia
>long with the Spanish provinces of Soria, Guadalajara, Teruel and Cuenca, Molina De Aragon is fast becoming Europe’s largest desert in terms of population. According to official figures, it has just 1.63 inhabitants per sq km, compared to 1.8 in Laponia and three in Siberia

Britain has 65 million people. Netherlands has 17 million, which makes it the most densely populated country in Europe, but it’s so tiny that that’s still low in absolute terms.

B-but muh Dios patria fueros y rey

But why? There’s nothing wrong with the land, is there? Siberia having a population of twelve people and a goat at least makes sense.

Spain had 25 million in 1939, italy 45 million
United Kingdom Britain 47 million
UK has and had more population than Spain,

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Spain was overachiever, even ruled by retards, by masons and now by NWO

The meseta has never been densely populated, I can't tell you why. I know that from the XIXth century onward there was a trend of migration toward the coast/most important cities though.
Here's the capital of one of Spain's most sparsely populated provinces (Top comfy if you ask me tbqh)

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No, there is not but all the castillians who used to living there 3-4 centuries either migrated to the south or went to the new world.

Britain had a very low population before industrialization.

That looks amazing. I live in Los Angeles, I’d love to one day see a place like that.

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Your home had a low population before I started fucking your mom

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I will one day not be here to protect you and fight for you.

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As much as I meme about hating cast*lle, it is quite a pretty place

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You really should leave that kind of banter to Lesotho.

Meme regionalism. We should have done the same thing France did with their subcultures.

Which is?

>Only became relevant in the early XXth century
>Spain had been a shithole for hundreds of years at that point
Nice try cast*llano, you were the ones that fucked it up

Blame the regions with meme languages. They were the ones pushing for this situation.

Because people here hate the place they live in, that's the mindset of this region, It seems that the future here is to emigrate to Madrid, Basque Country or Catalonia. People tend to show their achivements by where they are currently living. Sum to that the horrible politicians we have, the low birthrate and the lack of qualified jobs and you've got the current irreversible demographic situation.

Yes, Castilians fucked up in not destroying every trace that was left in the regions.

It was an autistic Canadian on proxy named Sean

>t. former /sp/astic

>Because people here hate the place they live in, that's the mindset of this region, It seems that the future here is to emigrate to Madrid, Basque Country or Catalonia

Kinda the same mindset that It exists in arabiclusia. Though people are moving to Germoney and the United khaliphate now.

>Never bother anyone for 500 years
>Say "Hey maybe it would be nice if our language was like co-official in our territory"
>FUCK YOU YOU FUCKED UP THIS COUNTRY
Face it, you were in charge of this place from the beginning and turned it into the shithole that it is.

Yes. The mistake Castilians did is not choosing Portugal over Occitaniggers in the east.

>country fails because its people are rotten to the core, lazy and stupid
>let's blame people who speak a different language even though there were no regionalist movements until the late XIX century, when Spain was the laughing stock of Europe, which is why said movements gained popularity in the first place!
And then people wonder why everything goes wrong here.

Our based SUEVI neighbours knew better than to let their country be controlled by the eternal castillian

this

>tfw we buy a lot of naval ships from spain

are we fucked

>It's the fat bald leftist galician mestizo shitting up threads again

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Leave the Galicians alone, they are bro tier.

>Look at me, mum, I know history from memes xd!

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Yes, people here also tend to emigrate outside of Spain, but we're near Madrid and Basque Country, so they are the most common place to emigrate to.

At least Andalusia still has 7 million people, we're here 2.5 million people, and the population density is really uneven. For example, Palentia, which is a small city, has near the same population of all the province of Soria.

what was its population?

Where am I wrong? The incoming gold was wasted in useless wars instead of invested in improving the peninsula, the empire fell because the spanish """nobles""" in america were a bunch of greedy egoists who thought they were not earning enough money and literally didn't give a shit about honour or loyalty, Spain was essentially african by the 1800s because nobody invented anything new and we had constant wars, fuck, the European countries even exploted our mines in a similar way they exploted the mines in africa, and most importantly, every single leader has looked for his personal gain and ambition instead of the country's good since the end of the middle ages and this can be said for every single person who has held power except Carlos III.

Also I've forgot to say that I live in the meme region of Castile and Leon, and the fact that here we live different people makes it implossible to create a political party that represents us.

Don't you know how to look for things m8? You have a computer with internet acces, just look for it yourself. See? This is an example of Spanish mentality, just what I was talking about.

>Everyone always forgets about Joseph Bonaparte
He would have saved us goddammit

>why are you asking a question on a discussion forum
k
>spanish mentality
kys spanish nigger

How? By sucking his brother's dick and wasting the treasury in fighting for France?

Iberians peaked earlier than us, so they also declined earlier than us, the French, the Dutch etc.

By applying the liberal reforms he supported instead of the two practical idiots that came after him

And with two stupid searches I've found England's population was indeed smaller than Spain's in, for example, 1700, Spain had 7000000 people while england had 5000000. And meanwhile you have been staring at the screen like a cunt.

I doubt liberal reforms had improved the situation. They tried it with Isabel and it didn't work out that well did it?

France has forced French identity upon shitloads of nations that make up today’s France.
Something like Catalonia is completely unimaginable in France because of that.

If Napoelon had won we both would be one of those Nations.

are spanish gfs anything like latinas?

They applied very conservative reforms for most of her reign. Joseph was almost a republican.
>La realidad biográfica de este monarca ha quedado oculta bajo el peso de su leyenda negra, creada por los partidarios de Fernando VII y avivada por la historiografía posterior. Sin embargo, la vida de José Bonaparte fascinó a media Europa. Participó en la Revolución francesa, se convirtió en diputado, senador, ministro y embajador, primero de la República y después del imperio creado por su hermano —del que era sucesor—, y finalmente fue coronado por Napoleón rey de Nápoles, donde se le aceptó como a un gran monarca y en 1808 rey de España. Expulsado de un reino que nunca le quiso, y tras la caída definitiva de su hermano, partiría al exilio en Estados Unidos, donde se convertiría en un ferviente admirador de la democracia.

A proper land reform in the XIXth century would've helped our pop growth and avoided the 2nd Republic's hardest task, but instead we got the desamortizaciones which were meant to improve the financial state of the country but not its economy.

Well, Napoleon would have never been accepted as a legitimated king since he was put on charge by an invading army. Besides, all his reforms would have been revoked with Napoleon's defeat. they even invaded the country when the war was over because Riego tried to push some reforms. I think a land reform alone (meaning purely focusing on this instead of religious freedoms, economic freedoms and so on) would have had the full support of the lower and middle classes. But liberals were autistic and tried to enforce free trade and other things that were bad to the majority of the population, or simply attacked tradition which was also usless and only created them enemies.

no , are worse

That would be great
French culture should be the only culture

Yes, because having internal tariffs would have helped economic development so much.

They have the same disgusting """"presonality"""" and have no respect for themselves at all but at least they are European looking (where I live).

The middle class and the weak industry purely relied on protectionsim since they were not able to compete with the European industry. If a free trade economy had been enforced all the industry and middle class would have collapsed and only anglos and frenchies would have profited. In my opinion the way for Spain was to both redistibute the land more efficiently through state embargoes and to invest public money in building more irrigation structures and later in mechanisation. Spain would have never been a great industrial power because of lack of technology, innovation and initiative, but we had enough land to feed all western Europe if properly administred and modernised.

I mean that before the liberals you had to pay a tax if you wanted your products to enter any city/province.
Also we had quite a long period of protectionism in the latter half of the century.
Anyway, I'm off to bed

Same here, good night

>They have the same disgusting """"presonality"""" and have no respect for themselves at all but at least they are European looking (where I live).
are you a Nigel?

It's to my understanding that those reforms were a textbook case of "muy poco y muy tarde".

If nobility were eleminated and spain stoppwd bwing a feudal state it would be an industrial nation, can you imagine an industrial holy roma n empire?

USA had no industry befoee having a soxiety that favored industry and urbanizations expansion, fat nobility were landed.

>tfw colonized by the lowest caste of Europeans
>tfw not colonized by upper caste Euros like Germanics

Feels good controlling access to the med.

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>>Has not had a powerful navy since the 1500s
1800s and the french are to blame for it being destroyed desu

So is this the power of catalonian/andalusian education?