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greece put a veto, sorry

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Letting the eternal *nglo in the Union was a mistake

Isn't it stupid to have 28 different countries with different rules
There should be the same set of rules everywhere, it would improve efficiency

And finally the mistake has been corrected. Golden future awaits us!

Federation by 2020?

Hello, fellow Europeans and others.

Also, I am quite fond of brits. It's a pity they chose to leave. Hopefully they'll fare well and change their minds eventually.

literally german vassal states, there is no glory or great future for either of your countries. you are FUCKED and KEKED just like us, except your languages will die one day hahaha x

EU is an American project:
youtube.com/watch?v=3AuzLQkHvck

But France is the main promoter for a closer union now, not Germany

Being partners with Germany will lead to prosperity for us all.

>bagnai

right, because being a french vassal state is soooo much better

selling your mother to a nigger will lead to prosperity too

But you more so, seeing that you'll replace Polaks with even more pakis and nogs

I personally believe that all the EU states that don't adopt the euro should be forced to adopt it or kicked out of the Union

>2018 Europe
>vassal state

Sure, mein piddino friend

Ah the day of brexit when we will finally have EU threads without bongs (pakis).

>Hahahaha we might be cuckolds, but you are a bigger cuckold, therefore me being a cuckold is entirely okay and justified!

t. slave boy to pierre and hans

>posts a strongly biased source
>gets called out
>m-muh piddino
Lol

t. the lapdog of the mutt empire

Everyone knows that Commonwealth immigrants are loyal, hard-working highly educated law-abiding citizens, not thieving scum like eastern european sl*vs.

I support a mediterranean union, not this shitty Merkel Empire.

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Where does the seething rage and hatred Britons have against Europeans come from? The world wars? World Cups? What?

we in eu 2020

I think there is a correlation between being gay and being pro EU centralism, this is why there is this big concentration of faggots and europeist here, in one word they are europroktoi: they love take euro upon their asses
>biased
Only piddini will call that stuff biased. Even he's analisis about EU being an american creation it's almost identical to the Limes one.
There is nothing biased about that.

>>Hahahaha we might be cuckolds, but you are a bigger cuckold, therefore me being a cuckold is entirely okay and justified!

literally what you did even before him

ENGELAND RAUS!!!!

I wish, Russia and western europe are complementry, together we can defeat evil anglos

>as if we didn't have enough terroni already

>Only piddini will call that stuff biased. Even he's analisis about EU being an american creation it's almost identical to the Limes one.
>There is nothing biased about that.

>libero + fattoquotidiano
>full rossobruno
>"school of politics" at Lega Nord
>not biased
It's like asking Hitler if the nazis were good guys

Point of EU is that standing together we will not be cucks to Russians, Americans or Chinese. As a family, equal partners who respect each other we can fight against globalization.

>tfw the UK literally confirmed de Gaulle's fears about them being an American trojan horse blocking European integration
embarrassing

European is codeword for Franco-German slaveboy. There is no such thing as a European nation, a European culture, European values. It's a meme word, easier to accept a neutral term like "European" than it is to renounce your own nationality and become "German" or "French". I do not hate Europeans, because there is no single European people.

De Gaulle was pretty based

I've always liked de Gaulle

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The only reason De Gaulle blocked the UK's application was because he didn't want any opposition to France's CAP scam when it was still being formulated. It had nothing to do with some conspiracy about America.

> equal partners who respect each other

tell that to those fucking blood sucking arrogant german bastards

>Limes, the bible of the smart piddini
Dude, if you don't know the basics..

>full rossobruno
>rossobruno
God.
You are one of those that says rossobruno and dare to say "biased" to anybody?
Why don't you argue the themes instead randomly try to destroy the dialogue?
Do you even know who fall in the "rossobruno" category? Everyone in the political spectrum of politics but anarco-capitalists.

t.american trojan donkey

European identity can be created like Americans have created theirs. When there are people who think themselves as European, then there will be European people. And it's already beginning, I think myself not only as a Finn but also as European. I have more in common with Frenchies or Germans than I have with Russians or Chinese or Americans for example.

Yes, that's why he literally said the words "American trojan horse". Thanks for explaining his motives better than the man himself, island nigger.

based European brother

UK was the true scammers in CAP desu, in this respect - good riddance.

Based. We'll be able to stand up to y*nks and ch*nks as another center of power by 2020, when Britain finally leaves.

>Franco-German slaveboy
>German slaveboy
ftfy
the French are irrelevant

>Limes
>piddino
Lol

>fatt*quotidiano + Libero
>not rossobruno
You know, you can be right wing or left wing without being a rossobruno (ie the most retarded of political ideologies)

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I don't know why you are talking about those two newspaper.
And... still no arguments.

So you are fine with Finland submitting to German rule? Considering how hard your people fought against the Russians for your sovereignty, I expected more pride and backbone. Do you really believe that Finland is an equal partner in the Union? That Finland is not entirely at the mercy of the Germans? They do not see you as equal partners. They pursue their own interests, they don't care for Europe. They want to make Europe profitable for Germany. It has always been that way. Your kind of naive do-gooders are useful idiots.

The argument is that your source is biased, so it's worthless

>muh german boogeyman

Two points:
1. I honestly believe that Germans see other Europeans as equal partners.

2.Even if they didn't, we'd be cucked anyway by globalization by countries like Russia, US and China. Atleast with EU we have some say on German behaviour.

Ok, thank you to make me realize the logic of piddini: never talk we anybody, we don't know a fuck and we don't know how to argue but we have the reason because yes!

Here one thing from an "unbiased" source:
video.repubblica.it/economia-e-finanza/qe-fubini-euro-piu-debole-sono-piu-i-vantaggi-degli-svantaggi/194464/193462
"Look euro is stronk, euro is gud for us, we can buy foreign products easier! Liretta was a weak currency, disgusting!"
"Well... euro is weaking right know, -30%, what do we do right now?"
"Oh, nothing to worry about, we saw how the industrial production in Germany is increasing well due a weak euro! This is good!"
Piddini's logic.
Let's destroy Italy to make a favor to Germany.

Says who? What's wrong with the current arrangement? The world is already globalised, and Finland is doing okay. Why can't Europe just cooperate as is? The idea that we must become this centralised superstate is silly, all that does is empower the Germans to pursue their autistic little power fantasies. And why would you want to do that? What, exactly, is so bad about the Americans?

>What, exactly, is so bad about the Americans?

They destabilize ME in retarded imperialistic wars sending blowback to Europe (terrorism, rapefugees), they don't believe in free trade (Trump's trade war), they spy on us, they support their industry on our expense (desu we should do so too to ours) etc. Compared to that what, exactly, is so bad about Germans? Autistic power fantasies? What does that mean in real world?

>industrial production in Germany is increasing well due a weak euro
You're confusing industrial production with export

>muh import
We are an export economy (atlas.media.mit.edu/en/profile/country/ita/) and doing well in that regard. A "weak" euro is actually good for us

What about the underdevelopment in the south, low productivity, political instability, high taxes, pensioners that stopped working at 45 and corruption. Are those euro's faults as well

UK can burn along with its North American family

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Disgusting thread
The EU is a bad joke that's gone on for far too long

>What about the underdevelopment in the south
The only party that tries to bring the attention to this problem is Lega, as Bagnai says in that video.

>You're confusing industrial production with export
You don't produce to put stuff in the warehouse but to sell it, as the bartender don't produce 20 coffee per minute to put on the bar, but he make them for his consumers that can pay him.

>We are an export economy
Fucking exactly! And it's a wrong way to put the stuff, we are an industrial economy, we don't have raw material so we have to export to import them.
>a weak euro
Than why don't fucking take back Lira ffs. If the problem is the German surplus for us why the fuck we keep euro that advantage them on us, ffs!
We lost 30% of our industries in 10 years, goddamit!

Don't worry one day you will be part of the EU too, meanwhile keep paying for the common market

You are deluded if you think a European superstate wouldn't wage war in the Middle East. The resources and strategic location are too valuable to pass up, if Europe centralised and didn't pursue it's interests in that region then nothing would change except your governments would be less free to make legislation. Also, Europe only takes in so many refugees because it chooses to. European leaders could very easily close their borders and send them back, but they don't. Blaming the Americans because the politicians of Europe have no spine makes no sense. I ask why we should empower the Germans because it would provoke the Americans, who have proven themselves to be fair trade and military partners to most of Europe (most of the time). Instead of being allies we would become rivals. Their relative influence and power in the world would decrease, they'd have conflicting interests with Europe in the Middle East at the very least. Things would become tense, competition would increase. And for what exact reason? What does Finland gain from all that? Because as I said, "European" doesn't mean anything, what Spaniards require from their government will be very different to the needs of the Norwegians. A single government trying to govern all that territory will be a massive bureaucratic monster at best, terribly neglectful and ineffective at worst.

Imagine being cucked by a bad joke

>dude lmao lets make a retarded globalist bureacratic superstate and let unelected officials control our country lol
>what could possibly go wrong

Your horse-faced excuse of a leader was an unexceptional politician who, as politicians are wont to do, said a lot of things, none of which should be taken at face value.
To quote Andrew Moravscik (Princeton director for the European Union Program).
>The price of wheat, not the political grandeur and military security of France, was the national interest that drove de Gaulle’s European policy. His European policy [...] was motivated by the same goals shared by postwar democratic politicians everywhere: generation of electoral support and avoidance of disruptive strikes and protests through the promotion of economic welfare and, above all, appeasement of powerful sectoral producer groups. Systematic analysis of the available primary evidence reveals conclusively that the four major European decisions listed above—acceptance of the Treaty of Rome and promotion of the CAP, the Fouchet Plan, the veto of British membership, and the empty chair crisis—directly promoted the narrow export interests of organized agriculture and industry in France or were decisively constrained by those interests.
In all of De Gaulle's speeches, including when he beats the drum about America, he talks at great length about agricultural policy and Britain's conflict of interest with Europe (really with France).
From his 1963 veto speech.
>Indeed, it is obvious that agriculture is an essential element in the whole of our national activity. We cannot conceive, and will not conceive, of a Common Market in which French agriculture would not find outlets in keeping with its production. And we agree, further, that of the Six we are the country on which this necessity is imposed in the most imperative manner.
The CAP was so crucial to France that even Pompidou only agreed to allow the UK membership if they locked in the current CAP arrangement. Naked self-interest, nothing more.
Do you even have a clue what the CAP is? Not certain if this is worth a response.

When you will work for 300-400 euro per month 50 hours per week I'll just say fuck you, it's what you deserve and what you wanted.

I trust more unelected competent ppl than ppl elected by dumb common ppl

Yes like Monti.
You deserve all the worst.

>EU top-level bootlicker cuck
>talking about being cucked
The irony is strong with this one.
But sure keep doubling down on your monumental mistake lmao.
Nice. What else to expect from an Italian subhuman.
Enhoy your new arab german reich

*enjoy

Monti did nothing wrong

yes hello when do we burn the eurosceptics

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lmao new albanian talking shit, pay and shut up, thats what you signed for
ELMAOOOO

The only reason everybody is not sceptic it's thanks mainstream media and fucking merc journalists that should be hanged.

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"la medicina è amara ma necessaria"

basato

this enrages the frenchman

>You are deluded if you think a European superstate wouldn't wage war in the Middle East. The resources and strategic location are too valuable to pass up

Haha I will never ever see Germany waging war there, pacifism and soft power is the European way, not duking it out like Americans or Russians do. We are more civilized.

>Also, Europe only takes in so many refugees because it chooses to.

And this being civilized means that we must take on the moral hazard American actions have caused, ie. rapefugees. It's a shitty thing to do but what's the alternative, let them die in Syria or whatever?

>I ask why we should empower the Germans because it would provoke the Americans, who have proven themselves to be fair trade and military partners to most of Europe (most of the time).

You are deluded if you think that Americans are better allies than our own neighbours. If Americans get provoked by Europeans finally standing on our two feet then so be it. It's because they have no allies, only interests. And strong EU is not in their interests. Because unlike you seem to believe, they are not fair trade partners, only fair weather partners. See Trump. Rather stand on our own than being American cucks. They may be good business partners but only when they are equals, not the current vassal relationship we have going on with the Americans. See also China.

>A single government trying to govern all that territory will be a massive bureaucratic monster at best, terribly neglectful and ineffective at worst.

It seems to work for the US. And it shouldn't be too centralized. A federal structure with common foreign policy, trade and single markets is enough. Leave the rest to the countries.

asalau alaykum w rahmato allahi talla w baraketouhou my muslim brothers

>Germany
>having the final word in international politics
France would probably be the one throwing their weight around, being the one with actual army.

But his assertion is that we'd all be German puppets.

CAP is the common agricultural policy, a necessity to reconcile the market mechanism with traditionally heavily subsidised field of agriculture. Also succeeded in making Europe self-reliant when it comes to foodstuff. Too successful in fact as self-reliance pivoted into overproduction and excessive rent-seeking. Was reformed relatively recently, not enough though.

he's just memeing, just like anyone who calls germany a "hegemon".

Thank you for trying to Counter that anti-german hate speech. Jokes aisde, the brits seem really bitter about the EU and presumable only left because they disliked what their Elites did and blamed all of that on the EU. East Expansion of the EU was spearheaded by the bongs, Penalty payments and Change from 2/3s to simple majority on decisions was also spearheaded by the bongs. Also they have allways controlled their borders, kept the Pound etc.

It seems to be mostly incoherent rage at their own elites that hits us because they are still angry about two world wars and losing their empire. Just read their tabloids when we Play against them in Championships, or now. Everything full of Nazi analogues.

ELMAO YOU CANT EVEN SPEAK ENGLISH DUMB DIGO KEK ENJOY YOUR DEPORTATION TO AFRICA KEK

Said the savage.
You will be annihilated.

TOP KEK LITTLE SHIT YOU CANT EVEN LOSE VIRGINITY LOSER

>pacifism and soft power is the European way
that's because Europe is represented by NATO and the Americans. France is present in Syria, Libya and other of their former colonies btw.
>let them die in Syria or whatever?
no you pay Turkey to keep them there
>Rather stand on our own than being American cucks.
trade war it is then
>A federal structure with common foreign policy, trade and single markets is enough
will never happen
euractiv.com/section/economy-jobs/news/merkel-allies-reject-idea-of-european-finance-minister/

I did when I was 15, loser, now you can keep jerking off on crossdresser.

>A single government trying to govern all that territory will be a massive bureaucratic monster at best, terribly neglectful and ineffective at worst.

That's a silly argument, especially coming out of the UK, one of the most centralised countries in the West.
Centralisation - decentralisation is not a binary choice, there are varying degrees and right now, the EU as a whole is arguably more on the decentralised end of the spectrum.
This whole "bureaucratic monster" argument is mostly bullshit and thrown around by populists, because it plays well with voters.
The EU with all of it's organisations has less employees than the city of Vienna(without our federal government).
You may argue that's still too much, but that's probably because you'd like to see the whole institution dissolved anyway.

>they disliked what their Elites did and blamed all of that on the EU

To be fair, to some degree that blame game is played by local politicians in every EU country.
It's easy to blame "the EU" for their own mistakes, because people generally don't like foreigners and the EU is widely seen as something foreign.
The emphasis is always on us vs the EU, as if they were not part of it.
Obviously the brits took it to a whole new level, spearheaded by their quality newspapers.