As a native speaker, how would you rate your own language in terms of difficulty?
After having analysed Romanian pretty deeply, I can confidently say that without having learnt it as a child or without living for a long time here, it’s almost impossible to get proficient at Romanian. Its hardest and most irregular part is probably verb conjugation; there are a lot of forms and verbs that are, say, identical except for the first letter, have dramatically deferent conjugations. The noun genders are not as illogical as German, for example, but the plurals are pretty much random and I think that the most efficient way to learn nouns is not by learning them together with the gender, but together with the plural and deducing the gender from it when needed.
I’m definitely glad I don’t have to conciously learn Romanian and, as hard as German (what I am learning now) would be, I know for sure that it is not as difficult as Romanian.
So, what do you think about your language?
As a native speaker, how would you rate your own language in terms of difficulty?
I think Finnish gets even more harder than Romanian
How irregular is it? I have learnt Estonian for a while and it was pretty hard, even at the basic level that I was at. I’ve heard that Finnish, while being similar, is more irregular than Estonian.
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Unluckily It is pretty easy. Your gypos learn it in less than two months.
english is pretty easy, no?
hardest part is probably pronunciation of some words, and words sounding completely different to how they are spelt
Most parts of English are easy except our spelling system. The irregularities we do have we share with other Germanic languages.
Man I love how many Latin roots English has, I just wish German was like that too.
Interestingly enough Dutch is like a "halfway" language between English and German in many respects. This includes the overall "Latin-ness" of the vocabulary.
French, pretty easy.
Harder than the other two South Slavic languages but easier than West and East Slavic languages. Harder than the Germanic and Romance languages.
I was just thinking about this, after I am finished with German (should this ever happen) what would be easier to learn, Italian/Spanish or Dutch?
lots of rules and TONS of exceptions
btw, my language has probably the most demanding pronunciation rules of any Slavic language and is hard for even most other Slavs to get right.
Since Romanian is your native language, Italian would probably be the easiest for you.
t. dude who has studied both Italian and Romanian on duolingo
easy peazy lemon squeazy
>no nasals
plebejusz
How important/prominent is tone? Do you notice it? Is it more than glorified intonation?
I don't know if my language is eazy or not to learn but learn it
>studied on duolingo
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>on duolingo
duolingo courses are worthless
Italian is easy, the only problems are the 10000 verbal forms, and the concatenation of some particles to words.
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The bright side is that since 80% of the population butchers it with awful dialects anyway you can make yourself understandable quite easy
So what's with this loop? It’s pretty nice
It's amazing how many non-linguists say that, yet DuoLingo keeps winning award after award from linguists and educators who actually know something.
Besides, you can shit on Duolingo all you want, it doesn't change the fucking point that Italian and Romanian are very similar. Or do you disagree with that too?
Probably the hardest germanic language
English is pretty irregular - lots of stolen bits from incongruous languages. If it weren't already everywhere, I doubt anybody would speak it.
Brainlet tier, like anything Sp*niards ever produced.
Well apparently pretty fricken easy from what Jow Forums tells us
7.5 I would say.
Several irregular verbs, full of exceptions and things aren't pronounced as they are written.
Cree
Works nothing like any european language. But in contrast to other native langs, they say its one of the easiest north american languages.
Ive studied a very small amount of japanese, and from what i can tell, there are some similarities
That’s very interesting, tell me more
You're the user who speaks Plains Cree, right?
I was reading on some of the differences between the various Cree dialects, e.g. the y-dialects versus the n-dialects. To my understanding, everything in this map that is labeled as "Montagnais" or "Naskapi" is substantially different from other Cree dialects, and not that intelligible for other Cree speakers. However, I'm unable to find any information on whether the "James Bay (Eastern) Cree" falls in this category or not. Also, I know that Atikamekw is fairly different as well, but is it also unintelligible, like Montagnais? Is it closer to Western or Eastern Cree dialects?
Well, considering the fact, alot of missionaries/europeans were able to speak it back then, i guess that would say it might be easy. But that doesnt mean there wont be difficulties.
Cree is polysynthetic, which means words are very long on average and a sentence could only be one word.
What would you like to know?
Yeah m8
The eastern cree is definitely a cree language dialect, but the phonology is a is a bit different once you pass james bay as they palatalize some consanants, and vowels are ‘kind of’ switched around which can confuse you.
i.e. how we have K’s, the have CH’s.
“It’s raining”
>PC: kimiwan
>EC: chimuwin
Honestly id compare to an accent (compare aussie to canadian english).
In written form, you can see the similarities, plains cree. But spoken can confuse you as what word theyre saying (“car vs. automobile” kind of thing).
Atikamekw is alot easier to understand the EC, so id say theyre a cree dialect too. Although i cant say much, cause i dont know much about them.
Not sure of that helps, but im willing to answer anything
Hungarian grammar is pretty fucked up, it looks like it was designed to look so complicated as to intimidate language learners. I briefly looked into learning Finnish a while ago, and that appeared to work in a similar way.
It must be hard to get into, but I know a few (that is, two) people who learned it and speak it really well--I wouldn't hage had the patience and dedication for that. Hungarians usually take pride in the idea that their language is one of the most difficult ones in the world, which is kinda dumb.
How is the Cree speaking community doing generally? What is the attitude of younger people about it? Does it carry any negative reputation?
So if I understand correctly, the only really outlandish dialects are the Montagnais/Naskapi ones?
You are retarded latinfags. Romance languages are all super easy.
intelligent latin bvlls
english
you autists learnt it so it cant be hard
damn, never realized all my typos
>you can see the similarities, like in* plains cree
>Atikamekw is alot easier to understand than* EC
we're the most widely spoken native language in Canada (5th in north america). more speakers than Inuktitut. people are saying that they hear cree spoken alot more nowadays than what they heard back then; say, the 80s.
the younger generation seems to hold it in a high regard, but not many put in the effort to really learn to speak it. But, at least the number of speakers is growing, rather than shrinking. as far as i know, there isnt really a negative rep for the language. alot of people seem pretty interested id say
pretty much yeah. The east Cree are honestly more just phonologically different. although, they do have their own unique way of speaking/sayings. whilst the montagnais/naskapi are both phonologically and morphologically different.
"he hunts"
>PC: mâcîw
>EC: nituuhuu
>M/N: natau
in my opinion, they might as well be classified as their own language.
kinda like how Norwegian dialects differ from south to north
Easy as shit, I've been able to speak it sense I was a baby
maybe a 6 out of 10,we have gendered words and tildes that point out the prosodic accent of the word or grapheme which can be hard to get used to,but most of it is pretty straight forward,and we only have one letter the english language dosen't have,although there are some pronunciation differenses like sh is written as ll
also counting is very straight forward
Really makes me happy to hear that, thanks for sharing your unique expertise
Yeah, its pretty cool when someones interested in it. Just glad people are aware of the language's existence
Finnish boys get me even more harder if you get my meaning
kys homo
I would rate Dutch with a 5/10 (higher number being more difficult) for people who already speak English or German. It would be an 8/10 for people who only speak languages like Japanese or Arabic. Our grammar is a bit retarded at sometimes, like with verbs ending in "d" or "t", but it should not be that much of a pain to learn.
finnish boys are cute tho tbqh no homo
Finnish is like older Estonian, or actually we used to speak pretty much the same language couple hundred years ago, but I think Finnish is slightly harder than Estonian.
Probably tied for the easiest germanic language along with norwegian. The pitch is probably the only thing that could be considered hard about it.
Its more like 900 years at least when Finnish and Estonian started to diverge from each other
Yeah but they were still a lot more similar what they are today.
Most of the speakers of Aramaic haven't even heard of the different dialects, i.e. that they exist, let alone mastered them. It's also barely written down. I won't mention English since that's discussed frequently.
Is your native language Aramaic?
I'd say it's pretty easy to learn the basics but if you want to go académie française tier you'll get a ride worth your money
Dutch is easy to learn but hard to master. Most foreigners I know who've been here for a mere year will understand everything you say them in dutch but are too afraid to say anything in dutch themselves because they can't get all the details finetuned.
Eh, I think English is like that as well.
It's easy to have "functional portuguese". I have never seen a foreigner speak it perfectly
Probably only British English (and Australese?) work on this level. American English is more basic and has no "finetuning".
10 english is like a children's language compared to it
An Estonian guy once told me that older Estonians can understand Finnish, but not younger Estonians. Similarly no Finns can understand Estonian. He said that this was partly because during the Cold War Estonians would listen to a lot of Finnish radio. Have either of you heard this?
German not that hard, not that easy
Challenge accepted.
Yea they watched a lot of finnish TV in Tallinn during Soviet times