Learn japanese

>muh kanji

everytime(¯―¯٥)

It's actually surprisingly not that difficult. You just slap a particle to everything to give it meaning. English has more difficult grammar for sure

Maybe for non-brainlets.
Don't be mean.

日本語が難しい ;_;

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To be fair, I learned Hanzi so its a lot easier.

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Do you have Chinese relatives?

少なくとも、文法は簡単だぞ!

Kanji is not hard at all since everything you have to do is to memorize it. Particles are the real thing, you'll never be 100% sure if you should be using が instead of は. Though I have to agree that japanese is 分かり易い (easy to understand), but even if it's easy, it's meaningless to learn it if you aren't interested in japanese culture or won't be living there...

Yeah most of my relatives are Chinese. My parents are from Hong Kong.

How many languages do you speak?

Hakka?

How is Korean for speaking? I want to take classes this year so my gf parents hate me less but she doesn't speak it well and keeps saying I shouldn't bother.

でも欧米人からしたらやっぱり難しいんだぞ

Nah. In the grand scheme of things kanji is the easy part of actually learning Japanese, because all you need to do is grinding 'em till you remember 'em.

Pronunciation is also easy If your native language is also phonetic.

Speaking it it's also easy considering how much you can slurp the language down, but this only works with friends as It might be a bit impolite.

Now, grammar, particle usage, and learning to read contextual cues is what's hard, not to mention that the insane amount of homophones makes listening quite the task.

日本語は、日本に住むか日本の文化に興味ない限り学ぶ意味は無いんだから難しいとかそういうのはないんじゃないのかな?

I can speak English, Cantonese, and French to some degree due to French being a mandatory course in Canada.

My mom's mom spoke Hakka. However my mom never learned it.

This.

Japanese have no grammatics IRL, just for useless books. Everything is contextual, everything is consist of predefined phrases. But you have to tune it up precisely for a context, using all the 364636353426 levels of indirections, 354778 levels of relative hierarchy between the speakers and 678 variants of keigo.

If I take 2 years to learn japanese (like 30 mins a day) and then go on a month vacation, or nips just going to make fun of me and ask me to speak english filthy stupid gaijin? I'd feel like a dick walking in and only knowing a few phrases

あのさぁ…これいっつも思うんだけど「そこに住む、或いはそこでビジネスをやらない限り学ぶ意味がない」とか言うのはくだらないと思わないのか?

世の中皆ビジネスマンなのかよwww

If you will know Japanese much better than any Japanese, nothing changes - they are racists and will laugh at you.

that's just like with every germanic language.

Yeah, that's true. It is pretty easy. But kanji is killing me. And so is the vocab. Why Japanese have so many words that sound the same :(

>Japanese have no grammatics IRL, just for useless books. Everything is contextual, everything is consist of predefined phrases. But you have to tune it up precisely for a context, using all the 364636353426 levels of indirections, 354778 levels of relative hierarchy between the speakers and 678 variants of keigo.

………
t.racist

Deutsch is not that fucked though.

Too many letters and not enough practical use. If I wanted to learn a pain in the ass alphabet I'd learn Arabic, but I'll pass. Not that learning Russian like I am is entirely practical either but at least it covers more than just a handful of fucking islands.

please learn japanese
please love japan

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>not enough practical use
>watching anime
>reading doujins
>shitposting on japanese image boards
>spoken by the best country on earth
seems good enough to me

How is actual literature and cinema in Japan? I have no interest in anime or manga or even most of their Vidya

Its shit.

Be honest with yourself Japan user. I am honest with myself. I know learning Japanese is useless. I do it because it's a fun hobby

They watch/read western or Korean shit like the rest of asia.

愛してる

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The only useful languages to learn is programming languages.

t korean living in asia
its more useful than spending your free time on Jow Forums

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>89956979
why would I bother learning an irrelevant language LOL
everything are anglicized these days

Any Japanese media worth caring about has translations out rather fast, and for the most part I've aged out of any weeb phase anyways. I'm also positive it's possible to travel Japan comfortably without speaking any Japanese. The same doesn't apply as much to parts of ex-ussr.

It'd be typical easy vocabulary flash card shit if it weren't for kanji. Fuck kanji.

>LEARNING JAPANESE
>LOVING JAPAN

Fucking tojos, your language, your country, fuck all of it

Do you really want to travel exUSSR?

I thought that shit was looked down on over there? Your entire country doesn't really consume that trash do they? I thought you people were smart.

>implying translations are good
>implying you can understand everything from subtitles
>I'm also positive it's possible to travel Japan comfortably without speaking any Japanese
define comfortably

Yes, although Russia proper seems a bit pricey. I live in Florida though so literally any change of scenery is an improvement from this shithole.

Comfortably as in fucking Logan Paul pulled it off, and he has an IQ somewhere around 50. I've no real desire or motivation to explore off the beaten path in a country that's xenophobic even if I ever did decide to go see Japan, and all the tourist stuff is pretty well covered.

I did some readings, and I'm gonna do anki in a bit too
It's painful, but I feel progress. Sorta

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Already know 6 of them. Btw, dont ever compare linguistic languages to computer languages. You'll make an ass out of yourself that way. One is intended to issue commands to a CPU, the other is intended to convey a plethora of information to others. So vastly different

>through
>thorough
>though
>thogh

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Dunno about Japanese, if its grammar is somewhat similar to Korean it's ok. Nonetheless if you think that English grammar is hard, you're quite the luny.

This. I remember when I first started learning as a kid all those old text tutorials would try to use that metaphor and it never worked and just confused me. That and comparing computers to cars "the cpu is like the engine..." Yeah nah

хyли ты ycтaвилacь тyпoй блят

I've never met a esl speaker that didn't think our Grammer was hard. Quit the humble bragging bullshit, hans

Grammar*

Really, how many did you meet and what was their first language? German grammar, for example. is 1000000 times more complicated

If you learn some really interesting ones, like Haskell, Forth, Lisp, Perl or Prolog, you can find more similarities with natural languages and our brains machinery and processing of them.
And most of the time professional programmer is writing not to computer, but to her colleagues primarily, who will read, change and use her code.

I'm not denying German is harder but English is widely considered weird. Even Mexicans tell me it's tricky and the exhange kids from all over in half and college complained about it a lot.

Name some languages with a simpler grammar than English then.
>Inb4 Japanese

Are you sure they complained about grammar specifically not pronunciation? There is literally no language with simpler grammar than English. Spanish is much harder too.

japanese

Russian user is right though. Even if you're fluent in Japanese they still won't take you seriously.

>There is literally no language with simpler grammar than English.
Oh. So you really have ANY FAKKEN WORKING RULES ABOUT FAKKEN ARTICLES DO YOU.

but you guys don't use them at all and we still understand you.

既に日本語間違えてるしなwww

the shittiest part in english is damn phrasal verbs

>take in
>take out
>take out on
>take on
>take off
>take away
>take up
>take up on
>take down
>take after
>take back
>take apart
>take over
>take through
>take with
>take up with

holy fucking shit

That's only thanks to our accent that is considered scary like shit by you.
youtube.com/watch?v=oRIsC764Nn4

いや、意味無いだろ?
住むか日本のカルチャー例えばアニメとかマンガとか読めるように、聞けるようにしたいweeb以外誰が日本語なんて勉強すんだよ?答えてみ?

These are all easy

Still a retarded comparison, since at the end of the day it all compiles down into thousands of lines of opcode. Our brain doesn't work like this at all, and neither does natural language. Also, Hasklel is a massive meme

Noooooooo way

There's no point in learning Japanese if you don't live Japan or watch/read anime and manga. Better off learning a useful language like English.

Hasklel is a massive meme for young generation because they never write APL.

Actually the main difference is context we humans use so much.

*Python

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いや、俺が言ってんのはそんなの当たり前の事をいちいち言うのはくだらないってことだぞ?

実際英語以外の殆どの言語はその国に住んだり、文化に興味なかったら意味がないんだからな

Wanna talk about 부다 derivations?

fuck kanji

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well but the main takeaway here is you have the clues about the meaning in every single of these examples. i can explain that to you easily and you can take me up on that.

not true

Really?

Kanji are fine, coming from based middle land. Hiragana squiggles are trash

言葉足らず過ぎて笑うわ

Nah, english is easy as fuck Ivan..

I thought ruskies were smarter than that.

English is the most learned second language in the planet cause is the easiest to learn.

>English is the most learned second language in the planet cause is the easiest to learn.

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I've never seen a gaijin who is good at speaking and writing Japanese tho lol
RENEHIKO's Japanese is ok

How many gajins had you ever meet?

Fixed

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I mean TV, Youtuber, my school's English teacher etc…

すまんなლ(´ڡ`ლ)

I met one who was really good at speaking Japanese on 2ch once, he helped me with my English and I helped him with his Japanese, his writing wasn’t perfect but it was really good for a gaijin

Nope.
>Hangul consonants can be combined into 11 consonant clusters, which always appear in the final position in a syllable. They are: ㄳ, ㄵ, ㄶ, ㄺ, ㄻ, ㄼ, ㄽ, ㄾ, ㄿ, ㅀ, and ㅄ.
>Then, 399 combinations are possible for "two-letter syllables" and 10,773 possible combinations for syllables with more than two "letters" (27 possible final endings), for a total of 11,172 possible combinations of Hangul "letters" to form syllables.
>The placement or "stacking" of letters in the block follows set patterns based on the shape of the medial.
>Consonant and vowel sequences such as ㅄ bs, ㅝ wo, or obsolete ㅵ bsd, ㆋ üye are written left to right.
>Vowels (medials) are written under the initial consonant, to the right, or wrap around the initial from bottom to right, depending on their shape: If the vowel has a horizontal axis like ㅡ eu, then it is written under the initial; if it has a vertical axis like ㅣ i, then it is written to the right of the initial; and if it combines both orientations, like ㅢ ui, then it wraps around the initial from the bottom to the right:

I have just started japanese and I'm almost done with hiragana, how many kanjis should I learn daily till december?