How do you feel about Russia having murdered a whole plane's worth of innocent people?

The russian regime (the "government") are probably worse and more harmful to the world than terrorists.
Putin's government poisons people in other countries, intentionally shoots down civilian aircrafts, funds and supports separatists and all kinds of rebels in western nations.
Why doesn't NATO finally invade and liberate the whole world (including ordinary russian people) from those tyrants? Or NATO pussies can only invade Iraq or Lybia?

Пeчaльнo, нo фaкт. Зaпaд для ceбя yжe вce peшил, eмy никaкиe фaкты нe нyжны.

it's alri

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you forgot your proxy Ivan

The thing is you wouldn't be happy with any sort of proof offered anyway. Russians act like proof would be enough for them but anything they get they say isn't real proof.

Also the activity of kremlinbots noticably increased lately. It probably has something to do with the elections in Italy.

Hi, Taras

If we could we would.

I didn't.
It doesn't change the fact that you still have no proof.

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Don't care about Russians. You own people ask for proof from your corrupted lying elites gov.

>The russian regime (the "government") are probably worse and more harmful to the world than terrorists.
>Putin's government poisons people in other countries, intentionally shoots down civilian aircrafts, funds and supports separatists and all kinds of rebels in western nations.
it's called espionage and undermining your enemies, all countries do it but Russia is a convenient boogeyman for the West

Could you please learn some proper english before writing here, Taras?

I honestly can't understand it. Putin's regime LITERALLY commits terrorist attacks on British soil, kills hundreds of westerners, openly trying to destabilise and corrupt the western countries and undermine their security.
Why doesn't NATO recognise it as a declaration of war?

What word did you not understand, Boris? Corrupted, lying or elites?

"Look, soldiers, there's another silly british thread"
"Lol"

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Russia gave weapons to Ukraine separatists, who accidently shot down a civilian plane (because they thought it was military plane).
It was a tragic incident, but if anybody is to blame, it is the government of Ukraine, for letting civilian planes fly over such unsecure territory

>all countries do it
I don't remember western countries shooting down planes full of russian civilians or organise terrorist attacks in Russia.

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I can assure you our government has lied about nothing.

He is working for Russian audience here, so he don't really need proper English, Russians will understand him.

Thanks for your totally unbiased input, Ivan.

What would you accept as proof then? You didn't accept the opcw when they agreed with our findings.

It's a war we don't want to fight. Even if Russia is bordering on a failed state it still has nukes.

how am i wrong?

>In an extract from Peter Oborne's new book Not the Chilcot Report, the author explores how Tony Blair lied to take the UK into war.

But he is right, that should be first question to ask, why passenger plane was flying over the area where were antiaircraft weapons in use.

>the opcw
Did you read the report? They said 'something like some neural gas idk'.

why would Russia shoot down a civilian aircraft and put herself in a harder spot than she already is
the West btw had supported ,and somewhat still does, the fundamentalist islamic insurgency against the Soviets and secular/marxist forces in Afghanistan and the ME alltogether

IMHO the most realistic scenario is that the aircraft was mistaken by radars for a fighting jets and since it was heading towards the russian border the russian military ordered to shoot it down.
"Separatists" or any amateurs wouldn't be able to shoot an aircraft flying this high so it was definitely done but professionals, most likely russians.

It must be a conspiracy! Evil NATO sending aggressive planes over Ukraine that innocent Russian soldiers might accidentally shoot down. Poor Russia always getting bullied...

>the West btw had supported ,and somewhat still does,
>and somewhat still does
the fundamentalist islamic insurgency against the Soviets
Soviet Union doesn't even exist. How can you support forces that fight against it?

No, corrupt and greedy Ukraine officials allowing civilian planes fly through an unsecure air corridor, because they want to earn more money

>irony instead of serious answer

That never was the case, john. Never.
>Another instance of extraordinarily biased propaganda occurred when Western newspapers deliberately misreported the tragic events known as ‘Bloody Sunday’. This was during the Western-financed 1905 troubles in Russia, when on 9 January a crowd led by the renovationist Fr George Gapon (who later committed suicide after it was discovered that he was in fact a secret agent), led a crowd to the Tsar’s Palace with a petition, knowing full well that the Tsar was absent, and terrorists in the crowd, hiding behind icons, opened fire on the troops who defended the Tsar’s residence. Many died in the crossfire, possibly as many as 128.
>When the Tsar heard of the events, he personally generously compensated the families who had lost members in the crossfire between terrorists and troops. He at once instituted a commission to investigate workers’ needs. However, in comparison, in the next two years several thousand were to die at the hands of terrorists, of whom only a few hundred were captured and punished, many of them fleeing to Western countries, such as Britain (Lenin), the USA (Trotsky) and Switzerland, where they were deliberately protected by the authorities. Even the Edwardian British children’s book ‘The Railway Children’, written by E. Nesbit, sentimentally supported the protection of anti-Russian terrorists in England, which was a reality, for example the formation of the Bolshevik Party in London.

i mean the "moderate islamists" in Syria today. All that nebulous anti Assad crowd. I imagine that more or less it's the same people from back then.

Report this kremlinbot spammer.
He literally posts the same shit in every thread. Check

Even dutch fine with that
> The Public Prosecutor is investigating the involvement of seven Dutch companies in the construction of a bridge from Russia to Crimea. Due to EU sanctions against Russia, Dutch companies were not allowed to help build that bridge, NU.nl reports.

>it is Ukraine's fault Russia invaded their country and shot down a civilian airliner

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Assad literally genocided hundreds of thousands of innocent Syrians who showed their disapproval of his tyranical rule.
Of course people don't want to live like that so they are fighting against him and his bloody regime.

Don't you like the facts, Boris?

Post proofs pics I lost my old folder

NOT THE FIRST TIME THEY'VE DONE THAT

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I think that's the commonly held belief on this. I don't think Russia deliberately downed a passenger aircraft but it did happen because of their negligence.

>against him and his bloody regime.
To establish regime a thousand times worse. So nice. Iraq was such a perfect case for bringing democracy to the east.

>It was a tragic incident, but if anybody is to blame, it is the government of Ukraine

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Ukraine's fault is charging money for letting planes fly over a territory which they don't control and thus can't ensure their safety.

By your logic if US supply ISIS with weapons it's Syrian government to blame

>Ukraine's fault
IVAN LITERALLY SAID THAT!!
ahahahaha

> Forbes: Russia closed its airspace on Ukraine's border hours before MH17 disaster
> In actual fact, Forbes writes, no agreement was reached. On 14 July, Ukraine closed the airspace above the ATO zone to the height of 9,454 m, above which it was possible to fly, and Russia imposed restrictions to a much higher altitude of 16,150 m. When asked by DSB experts about why Russia imposed a ban higher than the Ukrainian one, the Russian side kept silence.

Yes if Ukraine had just let Russia annex their land this would never have happens, truly they are the bad guys here.

So what's your counterpoint, Boris? 'Muh kuremurinu turoru' as usual?

radars can't mistake airliner for fighter jet
even if they did it would get intercepted by fire not medium range aa missile

fighter*

>radars can't mistake airliner for fighter jet
Really?

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If Syria allows planes to fly over territory that is controlled by ISIS, then yes

Different speeds and radar profiles.

I don't know why Russians always ask for proof as though they're really interested. Nothing would ever be good enough for you so why bother?

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>How do you feel about Russia having murdered a whole plane's worth of innocent people?
I'm more amazed they first came up with bullshit theories and keep denying it when they could have said from the beginning it was an accident in a warzone.

>>oh no he ask for real proofs he must be a russian proxy
There is photographs of if moving in with a buk and moving out without one and forensic evidence the plane was hit with a buk like weapon.

It's a good deflection (in their mind).

There were different theories, but no one official, because Russia don't take part in official investigation. And some people, officials too, asked why Ukraine didn't close airspace there. But this is not Russian prerogative, official investigation team should ask this, but they won't because Ukraine there too.

we will never know for sure
one side will always blame the other and there will be no clear evidence ever.

What the Brit said.

>it's another British accuse Russia of something without any proof thread
Can we stop these?

Ask Brits.

I'm pretty sure it was retarded separatists who shot the plane but idk why is it Russia's fault
even if it was get used to it, shooting down planes full of civilians is our tradition

The Dutch investigators are the ones accusing Russia. They're right, of course.

It was a Russian Brigade that did it, not separatists. The Brigade fucked off back to Russia pretty soon afterwards.

taras, change proxy

what is the evidence

So where's the case in the international court if there's so many facts?

Why Russians are so evil?

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Reminder that there are hordes of kremlinbots operating on this site right now.

Good question, Pierre.

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I don't get why Russia just doesn't say the truth? That some idiot sepratist got his hand on a anti-air system and accidentally shot the plane.
It was absolutely an accident. You can tell the rebels shat themselves when they saw the wreckage in the first footage shocked by what they had done. It wasn't really their fault as well since Ukrainian military planes were flying at near the same altitude in the same airspace.

Much evidence. So trustful.

What about a transport plane?

Russians have a problem with telling the truth.

>Brits
>said something about truth

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>Give me proofs!
>No, not THOSE proofs

Russia, America, and China deserve to get nuked for the amount of shit they pull off

Why we should say this. Russia was refused from investigation and refused from shring investigator's documents with them. Why Russia should say anything, if we are not even part of investigator's team. Its their job.

>Why isn't the accused murderer allowed access to all the evidence

Hmm, I dunno.

Canadian cavalry, where are you?

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Then why Russia should say anything about this investigation.

Because you did it?

Forgive me, Netherlands

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Who said this? People who conspired in closed group? And part of this group actually killed Russians, but still their citizens.

no