The dude literally ended unions and fucked them over until they were little more than powerless cucks in society...

If you are President and don't commit some light treason what are you even doing?

Iran-Contra was a very serious crime but not treason, and so far as I know there's no direct evidence he had anything to do with the hostages

>union says ''we don't want to work''
>don't think they are right so go to work anyway
>literally get prosecuted by law for going to work because some fat slob said you couldn't
communists are a special breed of retarded, this sort of collective mentality is worse than insect chink
fuck off

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>Americans have literally been brainwashed to hate the thing which is designed to protect them from shitty employer practise that exploits them like slaves

How did this happen?

Unions are only me if I work somewhere for 20 years
Until then they are just robbing me every week

Unions served an important purpose in the 20's, and I don't think they should be outlawed
But mandatory worker unions are one of the biggest scams there is

T. Michigan resident, most jobs here require union membership
Even though this was recently made illegal, they just offer Union contract during your job interview, if you sign up you get hired, if not they don't offer the job to you
So technically they aren't "requiring" employees to join the union, they just don't hire anyone who doesn't sign up with a union

>So technically they aren't "requiring" employees to join the union, they just don't hire anyone who doesn't sign up with a union
Its the same fucking thing. Its not even a loophole. You just rephrased it.

Exactly, our state government is Soviet tier when it comes to labor laws (and corruption)

Thanks GM!

>frogposter
>never worked a day in his life
>lives in workers heaven

yea i cant help but feeling the need to skin your neet ass then slowly roasting you while you are still alive

American loopholes are very retarded, they're the most obvious ones, which wouldn't hold up in our country's.

It's the same thing with cluster bombs. Cluster bombs are illegal by international law, but for something to be considered a cluster bomb, there have to be a certain amount of clusters in it. What Americans instead do, is making the bombs with MORE clusters, so technically it isn't a cluster bomb. Oh and of course, they're the ones blocking a revision of the laws.

We kinda have established union laws

Internet right wingers from socialist utopias are like that. I doubt it’s even legal to work for 2 full hours without a 30 minute break in Sweden but they happily tell you they hate unions

>muh americans
This shit gets boring to read after a while

Disregard scandis, they are self centered, rude, and take themselves way too seriously

Naw unions are great, ignore libertarian-swedes.

Doesnt sound too bad. I mean, if you wanna make a cluster bomb and risk getting hurt, you’re liable for it.

>be right winger
>bash unions your entire life because you're a hard working blue collar unlike those lazy communists
>companies take production abroad and replace workers with machines
>"YO WTF THE UNIONS DOING FUCKING COMMUNIST GLOBALISTS!"

>unions are bad
lol they might not be the best, but their purpose is to look after workers, they are necessary.

I'll never understand how a common man can think unions are too powerful and need to be curtailed, but think nothing about the incredible power and influence of corporations, who only care about profit and shareholders. It's like these people WANT to be completely cucked by corporations and have the spoils of their labour go almost entirely to a tiny elite.

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Everyone can be but I don't judge someone based on the stereotype that's given to them

We did

Yeah Reagan was a god on earth right?

War on drugs went really smoothly didn't it?

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I agree, however unions are bad if they keep outdated unprofitable industries alive artificially

Thats my fav war besides the war on terrorism.
Both are great wars.

At some stage the needs for unions disappears. America isn't there yet, but we are here. Our unions do shit like complain when their finishing time goes from 4:51 to 5:00
www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-20/ato-admit-working-hours-are-below-community-standards/8284384

>At some stage the needs for unions disappears
lol, unions are just lobbying organizations after all
the need for lobbying will never disappear

>American loopholes are very retarded, they're the most obvious ones, which wouldn't hold up in our country's.
Yes, the loophole here is that the job is not advertised as union only, but employees can decide who they want to hire, union, or non-union
Technically they now allow anyone to be hired, but in practice it's still union only
Job openings just stay open longer

>It's the same thing with cluster bombs. Cluster bombs are illegal by international law,
No, that's because Supreme Court has stated that no international law can supercede American federal law
If the law wasn't made by American citizens who are part of the American government, then it is illegal to impose those laws on any American citizen (in our sovereign territory of course)
And the Senate has never banned cluster bombs, so it's legal for us to make them

It's why we didnt join the ICC

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get fucked we are, unions do stupid shit pretty regularly, but without them we would be at the mercy of corporations.

And remember those random people who were killed when they walked past a wall on a construction site a few years ago? The union was demanding that the site get shut down because it was unsafe, but the construction company refused.

Without unions, we'll all end up on casual contracts that give us no benefits and pay us barely enough to get by. It's happened to a mate of mine, and Amazon want to make the practice more widespread.

The battle of corporations vs workers never ends, and it is ALWAYS in favour of the corporations.

Move to fucking america if you hate unions. Lets see how much you’ll hate unions when your job gets moved overseas for the 10th time or your employer fires you for getting sick.

That's because unions are making paying domestic workers much more expensive so companies are forced to seek cheaper options. If unions didn't exist, America would still have the millions of jobs lost to the chinks and robots

I mean unions as particularly powerful bodies. Workplace laws already more than protect the worker. Back when the unions were strong under the Labor governments the workplace was over-regulated and it made doing anything impossible. If a cable was unplugged you literally needed to get an electrician to plug it back in.

I didn't really explain myself well in that post. I support unions in Australia at their current state. I don't want them any weaker or any stronger. They're good to ensure workplaces stay safe, but not to push for further regulation.

This
Unions served an important purpose, and I have no doubt that the day after they are banned working conditions would become slavelike, but modern ones stifle productivity and innovation
Know why USA has no public transport? Because if we did then less people would buy (American) automobiles, which would mean that some autoworkers would lose their jobs. Using this logic unions lobby for government to heavily tax trains/busses/public transport, making them too expensive to implement
This keeps employment up, but results in no long term gains.

Large unions can be just as corrupt as any cartoonishly evil "corporate elites"

buses, trains, trams, trolley buses employ more ppl than some shitty cardboard muscle car, both in production and in maintance

plus the infrastructure, just this alone brought "eastern europe" development youd never see before

Dude, unions disappearing would just mean corporations are free to roll back all the achievements and concessions unions got them to deliver. Unions today, in countries where they are lazy and unambitious, and don't dare push even harder for decreasing labour time and raising wages along with productivity, are a guard that serves to ward off employers enfringing on workers rights again, which they will always do when given the chance under capitalism.

>ha ha this guy fucked the common worker BASED
this not even fun anymore

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I'm pro-union you idiot.

Going too far either way is bad, too pro-union and productivity goes down, too pro-corporation and worker's get fucked and quality of life plummets. Workplace laws are currently pretty good, but honestly do need changing again because of the previous casual contracts that are becoming more common. We can already see where that will lead in britain, with their 0-hour contracts (where you're on contract, but your employer isn't forced to give you ANY hours of work in a working week).

>Large unions can be just as corrupt as any cartoonishly evil "corporate elites"
Yeah but the difference is that unions might be corrupt in order to make some money for themselves, but the corporates can easily be worth 10, 100, 1000, or MANY more times as much as the unions, with no concern for workers or the environment, only profit. The scale of the damage corporations can do is far greater than what unions may do.

>I'm pro-union you idiot.
I think he was agreeing with what you were saying, adding to it.

upon reflection, you could be right, thankyou finland

>forced

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You need to read up on your Adam Smith.

Unions stop caring about anything but their own political power once they grow big enough. Happened in here already and there is basically zero reason to be in a union instead of paying to open unemployment fund. Now the unions do nothing but block any kind of political decisions that might threaten their position in the government-union-business trifecta, regardless of the consequences to normal people or economy.

>buses, trains, trams, trolley buses employ more ppl than some shitty cardboard muscle car, both in production and in maintance
But those jobs are temporary, and not part of the auto-union, so they don't matter to lobbiests, and they are a smaller voter block, so politicians don't care either
>plus the infrastructure, just this alone brought "eastern europe" development youd never see before
And unions are the reason American infrastructure is turning to shit, mostly built in the 50's and well past their expected lifetime
That and voters autism against tax increases (they want more government services, with less funding )

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Don't forget the whole flooding the country with spics and said we should have an open boder both ways.

In the Netherlands the employer union and employee union basically decide our wages and employee rights togheter.

While politicians leave it to them.

Unions aren't perfect, that's completely true. They work for the good of workers in their industry, but they aren't equipped to push for larger, society wide reforms. Even so, they are still very useful to have. Having small unions just means having big business be all the more influential and powerful.

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>In the Netherlands the employer union and employee union basically decide our wages and employee rights togheter.
Sounds comfy, in America our employer and employee unions are the same thing

And they do nothing but beg politicians to get involved (dat delicious tax money)

Same thing in Sweden. Hence we have no minimum wage set by laws, it's worked out by union negotiations instead.

>in America our employer and employee unions are the same thing
literal fascism

We do have a minimum wage (1550 euro + 8% vacation bonus + 4 weeks paid vacation). But it's lower than the minimum wage set by the unions in many branches.

I don't know what he is talking about. Unions are Independent organizations from companies. I'm sure there are companies that establish sham """unions""" for workers to submit complaints but those aren't actual unions.

When it comes to employee rights I think the weirdest thing in America is having a set amount of sick days. As if you can plan when you are going to be sick or something lol.

>This is why the most unionised countries have the highest quality of life, and levels of wealth in the whole world.

Just no, South America is the perfect example. They tend to become mafias if you give them too much power

Same here that's why Macron made some unions less powerful.

Employers don't even have to give any sock days at all lel. Americans aren't so much citizens but more like a resource to be farmed.

We don't have a minimum wage here, but over 95% of our workforce is covered by collective agreements negotiated between unions and employer representation.
The problem is, our workers enjoy the benefits whether they are union members or not.
So overall union membership is in declince, because people take those benefits for granted.

>Français, pour nous, ah! quel outrage Quels transports il doit exciter! C'est nous qu'on ose méditer De rendre à l'antique esclavage!

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Here you can be sick for 2 years and your employer can't fire you.
After 2 years you can get fired and the government takes over.

Although employers have the right to let an independent doctor check if you are truly sick and can't work (but not ask what the condition is).
And the employee must work towards reintegrating into the company when able, even if it means doing a different job. So if you become disabled or something, they will just assign you a new function.

You also have to stay available. Pick up calls and shit.

I'd just become a comfy neet fast as hell desu. If you are sick for the long term in America you can either pay into private long term disability insurance or go through the government with social security disability. Of course you actually need to be able to prove you are disabled from your condition. Some people get it very easily for muh anxiety and other people can actually be very disabled but get denied.

That's a good thing, the unions need to be popular amongs workers to have some real power now. Before the most extreme and unpopular unions managed to be very powerful because old laws were broken.

Also the labor laws are retarded, it's so risky to hire people in France that unemployment is at 10% for no real reason. Only spoiled boomers and brainwashed millennials complain about the changes. Most workers are more than happy to see some retarded privileges disappear to make the market more open to everybody.

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Bad guy. Has a really shitty legacy. But unfortunately he has a really good image, so all the terrible consequences of his presidency are either blamed on someone else, or seen as somehow a good thing.

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A lot of people abuse car crashes for that. And then get some back/neck pains that can't be explained.

>it's so risky to hire people in France

Why is this? What would be the risks the employers is taking?

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Isn't the government there trying to minimize welfare programs or something? I had heard that the king said the age of the welfare state was over a while back.

Fuck's a union? I remember reading about those and their existence in the UK, but I don't know much.
QRD?

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Having a useless worker that you can't fire because if you fire him he can sue you and you will have to pay an amount of money that is determined by a judge. And some union friendly judges used to ask huge fines that would make the business go bankrupt. That's one of the new law Macron made, now there is a limit to how much money a judge can ask in case of conflict.

Public workers are way more protected than private workers, and members of unions are more protected than normal employees. But their protection is so strong that in some case they are basically impossible to fire even if they shit on the desk in front of everybody.
That's why it's was very common and it still happens that some employees are "mis au placard" which means that their boss will only give them the most boring and useless task to do in the hope that one day they will get bored and leave their job. But the situation can last for years and years. In some places, some employees will be paid to come to their job and not do anything of the day. Because their boss want to fire them but can't, and they have to keep coming to their job to not give a legal reason to fire them.

He might be too shitty because of his savage decisions, but he made a big favor to U.S. citizens, unions just represent workers when they are small, but when they grow they start to rule your country, you can't make something they don't want because they will all go to strike until you do what they want, they become a literal mafia, Argentina, Brazil, me, etc. we are the perfect examples of why you can't do any reform to fix the country because these faggots will go to strike if you touch their interests (not workers interests, but their dirigents interests), and people will get mad at you because services don't work, forcing you to do what they want. I'm not saying you have to repress them, but put them under control and making impossible to grow.

Yeah, many psychological disorders like autism and adhd arent an excuse anymore.
And for regular welfare which everyone gets when he's looking for a job (which is different from uneployment benefits or sick leave) you now have to be older than 27 years.
They cracked down on the duration of unemployment benefits as well and people can get fired more easily.
Health insurances arent entirely covered anymore, but, besides the insurance you pay for, you have to pay for the first 380 euro a year that you make in expenses.

And so on.

Some unions in some sectors are notorious to have the worst trash. Being member of a union is a good way to make sure you are almost impossible to fire so, usually the worst employees are members of the most radical unions.

>A trade union or trades union, also called a labour union (Canada) or labor union (US), is an organization of workers who have come together to achieve common goals; such as protecting the integrity of its trade, improving safety standards, and attaining better wages, benefits (such as vacation, health care, and retirement), and working conditions through the increased bargaining power wielded by the creation of a monopoly of the workers.[1] The trade union, through its leadership, bargains with the employer on behalf of union members (rank and file members) and negotiates labour contracts (collective bargaining) with employers. The most common purpose of these associations or unions is "maintaining or improving the conditions of their employment".[2] This may include the negotiation of wages, work rules, complaint procedures, rules governing hiring, firing and promotion of workers, benefits, workplace safety and policies.

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I see.

he's just capitalist dog, contributed to the destruction of ordinary people's lives