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Women have full control over their bodies. They just shouldn't be allowed have complete control over a fetus that is a direct result of their decision to have sex (i.e. abortion on demand).

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>Oh boy
stop

Oh girl.

>then the EU forces it to vote for the referendum a second time like a slap to its face,
And there I was thinking that continentals were better informed about the workings of the EU than we are.

Agreed, everybody should have autonomy over their own body. Including unborn children who can't defend themselves from someone who decides to kill them.

We'll be voting on that along with removing blasphemy at the same time.
Have to do some housekeeping on the some of the silly stuff in our constitution sooner or later.

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If you want to see the utter state of modern Irish society, just have a look at some of the shite being posted under the #HometoVote hashtag.

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Is she /ourgirl/ lads?

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Has Bertie stated which way he's voting?

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Alright lads, how are you going to vote on

>Referendum on whether Ireland should have directly elected mayors
>Blasphemy
>The role of women in the home
>extend voting rights to citizens living abroad
>liberalising Ireland’s divorce laws
>reducing the voting age to 16

Last three are obvious "Níl" of course

>seems needlessly expensive
Technically we don't even "need" a referendum now. The law is fine.
This other one is completely symbolic to boot too, they stopped doing anything in accordance with what it said decades ago.
If anything, what it will translate to is a semi-symbolic reduction in benefit rates to married mothers, that's it.
But the symbolic value is the entire purpose of purging "Catholic Ireland" aka Ireland and making us demoralised cultural and political slaves, and sending out the legions of dimwitted poisoned scum to the polls to let them claim it was Ireland itself that pissed on its own grave.

kill male babes (i hope all adults is dead alrady)

rare

>>Blasphemy
Should be taken off at this stage. It's just a restriction on free speech.

>>The role of women in the home
Does this have any real impact anymore?

>>extend voting rights to citizens living abroad
>>reducing the voting age to 16
No, no, dear God no.

They're doing something noble. Making the journey to vote Yes so women won't have to make the journey to England.
What illustrates the utter state of our society is the fact they're willing to travel halfway around the world for our democracy while we have 30%+ of our locals who won't bother to get off their arse to cast a vote now or ever.

Yeah getting rid of blasphemy is a no brainer, the only people who want to use it are Muslims anyway

I'd want to get rid of those for the same reason I'd want to get rid of the queen if I was English.

Sure it doesn't do anything, but it's a national indignity.

>Referendum on whether Ireland should have directly elected mayors
Yes. Can't be any worse than the existing system. Maybe it will lead to some accountability in local government.

>Blasphemy
Not sure yet.

>The role of women in the home
Not sure yet. I haven't head any compelling arguments as to why it should be removed though.

>extend voting rights to citizens living abroad
No.

>liberalising Ireland’s divorce laws
No (probably)

>reducing the voting age to 16
NO.

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>They're doing something noble. Making the journey to vote Yes so women won't have to make the journey to England.
Fuck of with that Jow Forumsireland nonsense. You wouldn't be saying the same if they were coming home to vote No.

>Not sure, probably no unless they remove some other bureaucrats
>Remove it
>Keep it
>No
>No
>No

>>Referendum on whether Ireland should have directly elected mayors
It won't keep greasebags from having influence from behind the scenes. Democracy causes at least as many problems as it solves over the long run, but I would vote yes to fuck over the current crop of mayors.
>Blasphemy
DEUS VULT
>The role of women in the home
In the home. Have no expectation that it will be saved. Women will be smug about it, never mind that all that has been produced is wageslavery, and all they got out of it was the "right" to be hoors and send their children off to shithole schools from the minute they're born.
>extend voting rights to citizens living abroad
They shouldn't even be allowed to come home to vote, they should have been living in Ireland beforehand. But if we're going to allow any citizen to vote, the current state privileges the richer ones, or at least the dumb students. On the other hand, they have been too liberal with the citizenships, and we don't need more people coming in who are for all intents and purposes totally deracinated, so it's a tough call.
>liberalising Ireland’s divorce laws
Totally against it. Should never have been legalised in the first place.
>reducing the voting age to 16
Fuck no.

>but it's a national indignity.
Why is it a national indignity?

Spending 100 euro on a plane ticket for to have a holiday and influence the future of a country you probably wouldn't have gone back to otherwise is, if they're not swimming back, landing on some cove and slicing their way through the bush to a voting station there's fuck all noble about it faggot, we're not living in pilgrim times anymore.

But you just know the entire repeal argument for the blasphemy amendment will be "I want to bitch about the Catholic Church all I want because I hate them and they're evil".

It seems like an agreeable sentiment on paper if anything
>41.2.1 In particular, the State recognises that by her life within the home, woman gives to the State a support without which the common good cannot be achieved.
>41.2.2 The State shall, therefore, endeavour to ensure that mothers shall not be obliged by economic necessity to engage in labour to the neglect of their duties in the home.
We could do with something that promotes motherhood

is silly bollocks*

Sure there were even people on Twitter paying for the tickets of emigrants so that they could fly home and vote. I know it's not illegal, but it feels very undemocratic

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Realistically we'll just get some dumb hate speech law that protects Muslims but not Catholics.

>We could do with something that promotes motherhood
Especially considering how many women seem intent on rejecting it.

An chréatúr...

A bigger national indignity is having English as an official language tbqh

>Referendum on whether Ireland should have directly elected mayors
I'll listen to arguments, don't really have a view on it.
>Blasphemy
Obviously repeal, it's not even enforced so there would be no pragmatic reason to oppose.
>The role of women in the home
Obvious repeal, it's an outdated law which states women should prioritise work in the home over employment.
>extend voting rights to citizens living abroad
I'm not in favour of this at all, only those living here have a full stake in the outcome of an election.
>Ireland’s divorce laws
The current wait time of 4 years is excessive and serves no purpose, should obviously be changed.
>reducing the voting age to 16
I don't think this has a hope of passing but I like the idea and think it would help introduce youth to the election system through schools instead of just expecting them to pick it up at some stage post-school. As well as a 16 year old having a lot at stake for the duration of whatever government is elected or law is passed.

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I doubt it because Catholic voters still hold a lot of sway in Ireland. But I guarantee the entire debate will revolve around the freedom to bitch about Catholicism while totally ignoring the Islamic issue (and other religions in general).

>Obvious repeal, it's an outdated law which states women should prioritise work in the home over employment.
It's not even a law

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>But if we're going to allow any citizen to vote, the current state privileges the richer ones, or at least the dumb students
This is indeed an irony with the current referendum. The same ones complaining about having to book a flight to England are easily capable of travelling home to screw over the people living in Ireland.

Getting rote tonight lads. RIP Ireland

>think it would help introduce youth to the election system through schools instead of just expecting them to pick it up at some stage post-school
That's what CSPE is for.

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>As well as a 16 year old having a lot at stake for the duration of whatever government is elected or law is passed.
Most 16 year olds are fucking idiots though. I wouldn't trust one to vote for their favourite flavour of crisps, let alone in a general election.

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CSPE is a doss class.

So you're saying that people who treat politics as something frivolous and not worth their attention should be given the right to vote?

It is what you make of it. I really enjoyed it because it introduced me to topics I had never previously learnt about (plus the workload was very light). Do they still have that awful "Travellers are great and an integral part of Ireland" section on the curriculum though?

Mayors might at least have a bit more accountability than council managers, but we need more powers at local level to have any effect.
Blasphemy should be gone, It just restricts free speech and some muzzie will abuse it in the future.
Role of women is a non issue, waste of money.
I'd give votes abroad to anyone who was a citizen who lived here within the last 10 years, seeing as governments here have used emigration to limit anger against them in the past. For Dail elections have international constituencies like the French have, and give a full or even multiple constituencies for Norn Iron. If you haven't lived here no vote though. This would also be a good time to fix the register and have postal voting.
No to the last two.

Bríd Smith's PBP pink fag truck just drove by my house blaring something about voting yes from a speaker, 5 (You)'s and I'll spit in her window driving by.

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>Bríd (((Smith)))
hmmm

alri gonna do it wish me luck boys

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>Were you not giving out to him about his rampant secret having the other night
Was that Froggy? I can only recall Lux and myself discussing it, but my memory is known to be quite patchty. If so though, I feel I may be deserving of an extremely sincere apology, right?

>Referendum on whether Ireland should have directly elected mayors
No view, shall listen to the arguments.
>Blasphemy
Don't like the idea of people being overly disrespectful to a religion, but I don't think they should be jailed for it or whatever else. Nothing wrong with criticising and debating the principles of something.
>The role of women in the home
Women aren't obliged to work in the home, and they shouldn't feel pressurised to do so. Seems a bit sexist and old fashioned but I'm too informed on what exactly the articles state.
>extend voting rights to citizens living abroad
If they are taxed in some way or perhaps have have only been gone a year or two, then sure.
I'm quite interested in some form of an emigrant tax and how it might work, and this could be one of the perks that paying the tax would bring. We could make it optional, if you want to vote then pay this tax, else don't pay the tax and lose voting rights and whatever else.
>liberalising Ireland’s divorce laws
Don't know a whole lot about them, open to hearing arguments.
>reducing the voting age to 16
Nein.

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Remind her of her dead kid she aborted in the UK too, she mentioned it during Claire Byrne.

Try and do it while wearing some repeal apparel to confuse them.

*not too informed

DAB ON THEM

>shouting "Baby murderers!" and spitting at them while wearing a repeal jumper and yes pins

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CSPE is just information, it doesn't teach engagement like how to assess political promises, the values of party vs independent, identifying your political position and high priority issues etc.
Teenagers would learn a lot more through some responsibility in the process and may be more politically well rounded as young adults, less politically indifferent and less exposed to manipulation by single issue meme parties.

>it doesn't teach engagement like how to assess political promises, the values of party vs independent, identifying your political position and high priority issues etc.
If we can do that ourselves, so can everybody else. It's only the idiots that end up not engaging in the political process. Letting 16 year olds vote is not the solution.

>CSPE is just information, it doesn't teach engagement like how to assess political promises, the values of party vs independent, identifying your political position and high priority issues etc.
Those things come with age, always have. It's why the wisdom of your elders used to be something worth consideration for the young.

>Teenagers would learn a lot more through some responsibility in the process and may be more politically well rounded as young adults, less politically indifferent and less exposed to manipulation by single issue meme parties.
That's incredibly naive/optimistic of you.

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>Don't know a whole lot about them, open to hearing arguments.
The law currently states couples need to live apart for four years before they can seek a divorce, the amendment seeks to cut that to two. That's all it is.

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>The law currently states couples need to live apart for four years before they can seek a divorce
What's wrong with that?

>the wisdom of your elders used to be something worth consideration for the young
The youth a thousand years ago were little shits too.

>amendment seeks to cut that to two
Don't have too much of an issue with then I guess.
What are the opposing arguments, as opposed to those based around "till death do us part" and so forth?

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I just don't like young people as a demographic. They're a constant disappointment.

As an American i just want to say you're welcome for our support and we will never give up until the women of your country have half the rights of our own like our god intended for all white people.

Good thing we're about to legalise killing them at the root then.

>colleagues at work voting no
>immediate family voting no
>i'm voting no
Do I live in some sort of bubble and if so is that a good thing?

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SHOOT ALL BABIES

What's with all the irish itt? This was our fight.

Slippery slope, it'll be 2 years, then 1 year and then finally no-fault divorce whenever you want just as the glow-in-the-darks want.

>immediate family voting no
All of them?

Probably the usual "destruction of the family unit" sort of arguments will surface but I don't think there's been much debate around it yet.

I got into a fight in CSPE once cause I wouldn't put up with a twat like you.
He had the excuse of being 14 though, but you're a fully grown sad sack of a man baiting for responses from right-wingers on an online anime imageboard.

Is a no vote pro tiny little beautiful baby genocide, or pro sanity?

Independent Connacht when?

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Not soon enough.

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>I got into a fight in CSPE once
Good for you user, I hope you've learned some restraint since.

>All of them?
May have once again got my definitions wrong. I meant siblings and parents (i.e. the ones that live in the house), not cousins, aunts, uncles and such.
Is close family the word perhaps?

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If it is a bubble, it sounds like a nice one and I think I might be currently occupying a similar one. Coming back to my homeplace to vote (never changed my address) has made me realise that I might have been seriously underestimating how many unexpected No voters there are. People I know who I would have assumed to be unwavering Yes voters are voting No.

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The site's busted for me.

>Not soon enough
You'd abandon us just like that?

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You can't base an economy on the Wild Atlantic Way, Enda Kenny, and Galway hipsters.

>Is close family the word perhaps?
Yes.

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You can abandon Dublin too.

>Fishing
>IT
>An urban region which isn't a mess like Dublin
>Farming
>Seizing the Shannon
It's got a few things going for it aside from Enda.

Can we do post birth abortions for animefags they are doomed

>Coming back to my homeplace to vote
Be interesting to see how the rural urban divide shapes up. It seems to have been downplayed quite a bit, from the media I listened to at least.
>I would have assumed to be unwavering Yes voters are voting No
Mostly young people I presume? Was that what made you think they would vote Yes?

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Given the likelihood that Dublin will vote Yes in a landslide, that can't come a moment too soon.

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I feel like im being ignored just because im not irish. Get a fucking grip you orange haired Jewish fucks. You need us

>Seizing the Shannon
The mighty river Shannon belongs to Munster, Connanon.

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No I got that much. I was asking if the entirety of your immediate family were voting no instead of just most.

Think of it more as abandoning Dublin. You should do the same. Join us in the Fenian sun brother.

>You can't base an economy on the Wild Atlantic Way, Enda Kenny, and Galway hipsters
I don't believe you.

>>Seizing the Shannon
We need to stop those Dubs from stealing Limerick's water.

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>Independent "Connacht" + Donegal, Monaghan, Clare, Limerick, Kerry and Cork
And unlike Catalonia, the Republic renounced the claim to a united Ireland to try and solve the North's problem.

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What's your prediction for the final result?