Legion or NCR?

NCR. I agree the NCR was fucked up and filled with corruption and an eternal bureaucracy but those problems can be discussed and solved eventually. In a totalitarian state, The only way to change the system is through violence, also the Legion is dead the very day ceaser dies.

House taxes every business 50% on the strip and all that money simply disappears from the economy because I'm not seeing him build anything for anyone.

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House is a Fascist, not a Libertarian, the Legion are Stalisnists

House. NCR are a bunch of faggots and Legion was forced edge lords.

House is a technocrat. He believed that the intelligent and smart (aka his old robotic ass) should rule.

The legion were the real fascists.

>Fascist, not a Libertarian
How so? He lets people be as long as they don't get in the way of profit.
>Legion are Stalisnists
How so? They're closer to being fascists with their fetishization of old empires, conspicuous militarism, obsession with traditionalism, and oppression of minorities.

House

Wild Card
One thing is being slave to capitalism. Other is being slave to the slave owners.

Yes man unless you're a cuckold

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He was spending it searching for the platinum chip. After you kill Lanius he comes up and says how Vegas will be built and and within a 100 years will be sending out space missions. Of course that's just him saying that. Ultimately he was a douche who molded living people into his playthings creating his ideal little city while physically trapped in a tower. Benny was right when he said why does House get to be dictotor of vegas for all eternity because he saved it once? An already eccentric billionaire who can't physically interact with the world and hasn't lived in it for 200 years. Someone that out of touch is dangerous to have as a leader especially one who doesn't seem to die of old age.

If you go Legion you're actually a fedora-tipping incel

NCR. They were the good guys

Literally all factions are flawed because Obsidian actually got the "war never changes" premise of the Fallout universe and didn't just put the quote into the intro four times like Bethesda. I tried to roleplay an NCR soldier because of the dank ranger armor you got, but didn't really give a fuck about the political implications of an NCR victory.

House only has an INT of 5 lmoa

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Its funny how California has the NCR (which I think represents basically the old government) and Arizona is ruled by the Legion who are basically libertarian nutjobs prone to violence

Sorta like real life.

House is enlightened despotism
NCR is democracy
Legion is dictatorship
Independent is anarchy

no, he has contracts with the families and sends courier to fix the transgression, is a corporatist.
>How so? They're closer to being fascists with their fetishization of old empires, conspicuous militarism, obsession with traditionalism, and oppression of minorities.
except that they are noting like actual norman and their system is nothing like traditional Roman one, Caesar even talked about Hegel, commies love hegel. they are trying to destroy tribes and create one mutt army. they are more like Stalinists

Muslim BVLL

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>Cult of leadership
>Militarism
>A big state.
>Half of the population are slaves
>Obsessed with "muh glorious roman empire".

Yeah, "libertarians".

Legion are Muslims and Caesar is just a false ruler that will be overthrown by a rightful caliph

meant to say nothing like Romans*

Hitler co-opted socialist language to garner support for his cause but that doesn't make him a Stalinist. Fascists love to portray capitalism as corrupt and degenerate while presenting authoritarian traditionalism as the only way forward, which is what Caesar does.

Can someone explain to me what the NCR was supposed to be?

Liberal democracy, basically modern America.

it has to be tradition of some culture or Traditionalism with the big T, one Evola and other promoted, Legion has neither. they don't have traditionalism, just because they are brutal and hierarchical doesn't mean they are traditionalists.

>Caesar even talked about Hegel, commies love hegel.

Marx used Hegel´s dialectics as a way to present his theory as a historicist one. Historicism is something easy to understand, There are rules in history and if you understand the rules You will be able to predict the future. Although all his predictions failed horribly. Being fair, Facism is also a historicist ideology

But California in real life is a Communist hellhole, or at least by US standards

what do you mean by historicist? something like Hegel's dialectic never happned

I don't see the home of the wealthiest corporations in the world being communist.

Legion

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NCR is more like Russia desu...controlled by rich oligarchs and only having the appearance of a real democracy.

Read the republic of plato. You will realize that the Plato´s view of time ( aka The world is constantly degenarating, the only way to be happy is to go back to how things were at the beginning) is pretty ingrained in the fascist ideology.

enclave >>>>> ncr > rest

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that's not Fascism, Fascism wasn't worship of the past, it contain a traditionalist element, but Fascism emerged from the Futurist movement. Fascist manifesto was co-authored by Marinetti

Yes Man is the only good way to play the game
inb4 b-but the ending says there's anarchy!!!
who cares about the ending
when you play on your own, you can do whatever you want with factions you meet, nobody tells you what to do, you don't have to destroy Brotherhood of Steel, etc

i always end up playing on my own, even if i planned joining NCR or Legion because it just feels better

Is this unironically the best fallout? I liked the recent one but not as much as New Vegas

>A THREAD ABOUT VIDEO GAMES!!!! I MUST REPLY QUICKLY!!!!

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all me

Haven't played the older ones, but New Vegas was my favorite
FO4 was dog shit

it's not a thread about video games, it a thread about THE VIDEO GAME

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based graham

FO4 wasn't all bad.
I liked systematically killing all the ghouls from my settlements and turning them into food for the people.

>Fascism wasn't worship of the past

Are you sure? Mussolini´s goal was to recreate the roman empire. There was a worship of the past in fascism, user. Also, Every historicist movement is based on this platonic thought directly or indirectly, Hegel´s and the fascists included.

he didn't want to recreate the exact same Roman empire and Roman empire was always up to date and always innovating, tradition was part of Fascism, not the whole thing of it. Plato was right, Aristocracy is better, but I don't think we are constantly degenerating.

NCR for NV
Railroad/Minutemen combo for 4

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