What are Jow Forums thoughts on them?

What are Jow Forums thoughts on them?

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i have no thoughts on them

literally just syrian but is Christians with a different sect and some can speak old syriac language

They must regain their land from filthy Kurds.

Are they just larper or do they actually descend from ancient assyrian? Im confused

I have spoken frequently about them (or 'us') and their language on this board. I never made a thread about them knowing this board's userbase, and the last thread I saw about them was a travesty.

So I'm willing to answer your questions and try to prevent that from happening to this thread too.

not larpers. just managed to survive cultural arabization of Syria when islam spreaded. even the word syria on itself is just greek word for assyria so you can argue that syrians are more of assyrian Muslims lost their old culture, even then the shami dialect although is arabic, has still syriac words in it. it boils down into religion but most just call themselves syrian Christians instead.

I don't know about genetics, but as far as language and culture continuity is concerned, which usually implies a genetic tie as well, they speak dialects of Aramaic which differ from those spoken to their West and experts believe this is due to a gradual process of bilingualism replacing the original Assyrian Akkadian. I believe words have been 'discovered' by linguists that come from Akkadian and which were not known because the northeastern dialects were not written until about the 1500s. Apparently, the language they speak was already the majority language instead of Akkadian there when the Assyrian empire was finally destroyed.

I believe you were in the /MeNa/ thread where I discussed this and I said that "Assyrians" actually call themselves Syrian and tried to explain it a little even though any naming question is complicated.

Retard, Assyria is In Iraq, Meaopotamia if you prefer, they aren't native to the levant, nor Syrians are Assyrians, they're two completely different ethnicities that don't even cluster genetically. Syria is a colonial creation that managed to get a little of Iraq historical lands.

Assyrians /=/ Syrians

By /=/ do you mean 'not equal/same'? If so, I'm pretty sure that's =/=.

They call themselves Syrians (like I said at I am an insider) and it has a religious meaning, and it may have been influenced by Greeks using Syria for Assyria, so he was right about that. If you want me to explain in more detail, I can try.

>If so, I'm pretty sure that's =/=.
Sorry about that.

>They call themselves Syrians
They don't.

>may have been influenced by Greeks using Syria for Assyria

It does, but Assyria wasn't situated in Syria. They were from modern day Iraq and expanded in the Levant. Syrians aren't Assyrians but arabised Arameans.

"The Greeks used the terms "Syrian" and "Assyrian" interchangeably to indicate the indigenous Arameans, Assyrians and other inhabitants of the Near East, Herodotus considered "Syria" west of the Euphrates. Starting from the 2nd century BC onwards, ancient writers referred to the Seleucid ruler as the King of Syria or King of the Syrians.[18] The Seleucids designated the districts of Seleucis and Coele-Syria explicitly as Syria and ruled the Syrians as indigenous populations residing west of the Euphrates (Aramea) in contrast to Assyrians who had their native homeland in Mesopotamia east of the Euphrates.[19] However, the interchangeability between Assyrians and Syrians persisted during the Hellenistic period"

>They don't.

I'll say what I said in another thread where it may have been you insisting that they don't: what makes you so sure?

And to give just one instance, the same one I showed there, this is from a British traveller in 1890: ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/b/bird/isabella/persia_and_kurdistan/chapter33.html

>I write of the Christians of Urmi and its plain as Syrians because that is the name by which they call themselves. We know them at home as Nestorians, but this is a nickname given to them by outsiders, and I know of no reason why we should use a nomenclature which attaches to a nation the stigma of an ancient “heresy.” They are sometimes called Chaldæans,84 and the present Archbishop of Canterbury has brought into currency the term “Assyrians,” which, however, is never used by themselves, or by any Orientals in speaking of them. The Moslems apply the name Nasara (Nazarenes) solely to the Syrian Christians. They claim that Christianity was introduced among them by the Magi on their return from Bethlehem.

I should add that the word/name she is referring to has not gone out of widespread use the way that "Roman" apparently has with Greek people, just to avoid any doubts.

All of the followers of Aramaic-utilizing Christian churches are called Syrian Christians. Thus, likewise, the Christians from Kerala, India are "Syrians," as opposed to "Franks" as those Indians would later called the Portuguese, who are no more Frankish than South Indians are Assyrian. Syrian is just another of these medieval names like "Roman" for Greek or Orthodox and Frank for Latin or Westerner or Catholic. Only, it is used every day by the "Assyrians". The name is used almost as a synonym of Christian. Is there anything else about this you would like me to clarify? The use of the name Assyrian is another subject as well.

One more obvious case before I finish - the Syrian Orthodox Church.

And I know, the center of ancient Assyria was in Iraq.

You don't have to reply. Just don't go around telling people things like you know them when you don't.

Bump.

sand people who wish they were something else
like all other sand people around them

>yfw you inadvertently cause the near-extinction of Christianity in the Middle East

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Is this a haiku?

And again, I can try to answer questions.

How do syrian orthodox take your claim on assyrian origin? Since they identify themselves as aramaic, such assertion could be offensive to them

based