What do you think about the following Japanese logic?

Japan claims that Dokdo is their territory for following reasons.

1. Japan has long been aware of the existence of Dokdo, but Korea is not.

2. The Japanese government established a sovereignty over Dokdo in 1905, when it moved Dokdo to Shimane Prefecture.

3. There is no Dokdo on the Korean territory where Japan gives up its sovereignty over the San Francisco Peace Treaty.

4. The documents issued by the US military at the time of the Korean War show that Dokdo was incorporated into Japanese territory.

5. Japan calls on the International Court of Justice to judge Dokdo issues, but South Korea refuses to do so.


But these are all ridiculous claims.
Now, I'll tell you Korea's logic.

1. Korea imported 'Ulleungdo', an island near Dokdo in 512, and from there, Dokdo is visible to the naked eye. But there is no place to see Dokdo visually in Japan.

2. Before Japan's incorporation of Dokdo in 1905, Korea has stated that the jurisdiction to Dokdo as "Emperor Gojong decree No. 41 'in 1900.

3. There are 3358 islands in Korea, and it is physically impossible to specify them in the treaty. (Note that the 3358 numbers are not fully compiled.) So it is a ridiculous claim that Dokdo is Japanese territory because Dokdo is not mentioned in the territory that Japan should give up. Furthermore, the map based on the San Francisco Peace Treaty treats Dokdo as Korean territory.

4. At the time of the Korean War, South Korea lost to North Korea in a row, leaving only small territory. The US, which worried that the Korea would be all communized in such a situation, was to make Dokdo Island into Japanese so that Dokdo could be included in the American influence. But this is not the official position of the US and it had not been implemented.

5. Because it is so natural that Dokdo is Korean territory, it is not subject to territorial dispute and there is no reason for South Korea to judge it.


Which of the two countries do you think is more valid? I want to hear your opinion.

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ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/竹島_(島根県)#韓国軍による日本人漁民殺害や日本漁船拿捕
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mofa.go.jp/a_o/na/takeshima/page1we_000057.html
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mofa.go.jp/a_o/na/takeshima/page1we_000065.html
mofa.go.jp/a_o/na/takeshima/page1we_000066.html
dokdo.mofa.go.kr/kor/dokdo/faq.jsp
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Dokdo is Serbian.

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wow!

Who gives a fuck?
It's just a batch of land with nothing on it.

Why don't they just claim dual ownership and one country owns the island for 6 months, then the other country afterwards and so on?

It's called takeshima and it's Croatian clay

Which territory Dokdo becomes is an important issue because of the exclusive economic zone. And it turns out that there are many minerals under Dokdo. It is fortunate that Korea dominates Dokdo, but since the Japanese are provoking it, the Korean government is worried about it.

doggo is Korean food

Same reason why we should care about Clipperton Island

>Dokdo is visible to the naked eye
>87 km
Big doubt.
Besides, it's called Liancourt Rocks and it's rightfull French clay.

I searched the island in Encyclopedia, and the contents were as follows.
At the beginning of the 18th century, British pirate Clifferton was discovered and made a base. From the end of the nineteenth century there was a territorial dispute between France and Mexico, which was attributed to France in 1932 as an intervention in Italy.
I want to know more about this territorial dispute.

ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/竹島_(島根県)#韓国軍による日本人漁民殺害や日本漁船拿捕
竹島 (島根県)
>韓国軍はライン越境を理由に日本漁船328隻を拿捕し、日本人44人を死傷(死亡者数は不明)させ、3,929人を抑留した[18]。韓国側からの海上保安庁巡視船への銃撃等の事件は15件におよび、16隻が攻撃された。
>1953年(昭和28年)1月12日、韓国政府が「李承晩ライン」内に出漁した日本漁船の徹底拿捕して以後、日本漁船の拿捕や銃撃事件が相次ぎ、日本の漁業従事者に死傷者が多数出る事態となった。同年2月4日には第一大邦丸事件が発生した。済州島付近で同船の漁労長が韓国側に銃撃を受け死亡。また日本人漁師の瀬戸重次郎が殺害されている。

>The Korean army caught 328 Japanese fishing vessels because of crossing the border line, they injured and deaths 44 Japanese and detained 3,929 Japanese.
>Fifteen incidents such as the shooting to the Japan Coast Guard patrol vessel from South Korea, 16 ships were attacked.
>1953 (Showa 28) On January 12, after the Korean government thoroughly seized the Japanese fishing boats that caught in the "Syngman Rhee Line", the Japanese fishing boats were captured and shooting cases were repeated one after another, and many Japanese fishermen were killed or injured did.
>On February 4 of the same year, the First Daido Maru Incident occurred.
>In the vicinity of Jeju island, the fishery head of the ship was shot by the Korean side, and he died.
>Another Japanese fisherman, Shojiro Seto, is being killed by them.

>Dokdo is Korea
didnt this meme die in like 2011?

It's visible.

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We had a colony there but due to a civil war in the country it had to be abandoned.
The french just went in and took it, fucking Italian king obviously was going to give it to the Fucking french, even tho France doesn't even touch the same ocean
Its like a Falklands situation but nobody actually lives there
Since then we keep a permanent navy garrison on all of our islands in the pacific

Ok, what is your punchline?

I also admit that it was not a good thing that Korea had done much damage to the Japanese ship, and that the countermeasures were too severe. But this is what we are talking about: Why do we break into the territory of another country without permission?

Which country's claims are more valid?

don't you know a justification of south korea owning the rocks is just a justification of 李承晩 who killed over 1,000,000 Koreans, and tortured lots of jap fishermen and also killed them lol.

South Korea, including 李承晩, has justified the truth, but Japan is trying to justify it with crappy or ineffective material. Even if there were no signs of manipulation that jap are good at, they were all made for illegal territorial invasion. Why? Korea has first established sovereignty over Dokdo in the modern international system.

I have not been able to clarify the punchline because of the amount of writing.

so you want to justify 李承晩's deeds, right? thats what your government has been doing. lol
if your government didn't justify 李承晩 and the rocks, south Korean's lies would be revealed lol.

Do you say that it was good thing that many Japanese were killed by Korean in Japanese territory?

Image is stupid as fuck, distance from a country should be measured from mainland, not islands.

As some Koreans have said above, I am sorry that many Japanese people have died. (I do not know if the government thinks so, too.) And I told you that I was Korea, including Lee. It means that Korea will insist on effective domination of Dokdo even if it was not even Lee. In addition, starting with the MacArthur line, the Japanese military map in 1936, and the map that Japanese Mainichi Newspaper introduced in 1952 by analyzing the San Francisco Peace Treaty(It is estimated that the Japanese Ministry of Foreign Affairs submitted a map to the House of Representatives.) also says that Dokdo is Korean territory.

It's because two islands, Ulleungdo and Oki island, are obviously territory of Korea and Japan.

The reply from the second sentence does not seem to be the reply to the person.

Why Korean faggots alwayz claim about Takeshima? No Japanese care about such tiny rocks here. Korean are wired peoplez.

Because of あべしんぞう. あべしんぞう and jap government are keeping on tackling.

what do you think of this?
yeoksa.blog.fc2.com/
he says 90% of Korean history is distorted.
and do you know the vids in where some South Korean revealed South Korean anti-jap education. thats already deleted soon after he up loaded it.
thats South Korea.

Because Koreans killed Japanese fishermen and sea lions habitared there to get it

How Koreans are brainwashed lmao

There is an article on how to look at economic growth in the Japanese colonial period. In 1926, the proportion of poor Koreans rose from 11.7% to 30.2% in 1933. The development and growth seemed to have occurred with the input of Japanese capital and technology, but the lives of the majority of Koreans were deprived. Especially after the Sino - Japanese War, Japanese imperialism was severely deprived of the materials needed for war, and the life of the Koreans had to become more depraved.
Do you know why Koreans have become so depressed even though the gross national product has grown faster than the population growth rate? It is because the capital owned by the Japanese exceeded 90%, except for the assets owned by the Chosun government general office. In other words, the Japanese imperialism suppressed the economic activities of Koreans and was not done by the hands of Koreans. The Japanese imperialism invested in Korea is to detain more. Korean workers' wages, which were only half of Japanese, higher labor costs of Korean farmers, which account for more than 50% of the harvest, and reduced rice consumption (though Japan increased rice production) tells Japanese intention.
I'll just talk easily. Japan has developed Korea to detain, and the lives of Koreans have not improved.

>As of February 2017, there are two civilian residents, two government officials, six lighthouse managers, and 40 members of the coast guard living on the islets

So just 50 people? Give me an AR15 and a couple of magazines, I can clear the islands and declare a new sovereign state.

It's retarded, more so when they claimed it during a period when Japan exercised big influence on Korea and on a literally who? newspaper that nobody read (and which they notified no one about) so nobody could dispute their claim.
They also call it "bamboo island "or some shit, when it seems there are no bamboo trees there.

Why are you Koreans talking about Takeshima on here Jow Forums or other web boards? You can’t change anything if you claim about this problem to announce to other countries’ people.
Plz know “law” and your childrish actions are totally out of common sense of the world.

japs are liars. they have no morals. they make up for their lack of morals by being extra polite

the international community condemns japan. look at the thread. nobody agrees with the jap point of view

I think Japanese government should know law first.

did you read the blog?
it could be soon deleted as usual like the vids were.

Your information is wrong
Read all of these

mofa.go.jp/a_o/na/takeshima/page1we_000057.html
Recognition of Takeshima

mofa.go.jp/a_o/na/takeshima/page1we_000058.html
Sovereignty over Takeshima

mofa.go.jp/a_o/na/takeshima/page1we_000059.html
Prohibition of Passage to Utsuryo Island

mofa.go.jp/a_o/na/takeshima/page1we_000060.html
Incorporation of Takeshima into Shimane Prefecture

mofa.go.jp/a_o/na/takeshima/page1we_000060.html
Incorporation of Takeshima into Shimane Prefecture

mofa.go.jp/a_o/na/takeshima/page1we_000060.html
Incorporation of Takeshima into Shimane Prefecture

mofa.go.jp/a_o/na/takeshima/page1we_000061.html
Takeshima Immediately After World War II

mofa.go.jp/a_o/na/takeshima/page1we_000062.html
Treatment of Takeshima in the San Francisco Peace Treaty

mofa.go.jp/a_o/na/takeshima/page1we_000063.html
Takeshima as a Bombing Range for the U.S. Forces

mofa.go.jp/a_o/na/takeshima/page1we_000064.html
Establishment of “Syngman Rhee Line” and Illegal Occupation of Takeshima by the Republic of Korea

mofa.go.jp/a_o/na/takeshima/page1we_000065.html
Proposal of Referral to the International Court of Justice

mofa.go.jp/a_o/na/takeshima/page1we_000066.html
Q&A About the Takeshima Dispute

>many Japanese people have died.
Many Japanese people were killed by Korean
Koreans killed many Japanese

kanami?
read this first.
yeoksa.blog.fc2.com/

And American and European should know law as well?

fake news

Korean proverb: “If you lie one hundred times, it would be true.”
But sadly this works only in Korea.

thats not even a news. some old South Korean's experience.

dokdo.mofa.go.kr/kor/dokdo/faq.jsp

do you want to say "believe a big liar"?

THIS is Korea, you know kek

>judge
the matter should ve settled with a katana duel between the champions of the 2 nations