Looting of Cultural Heritage

Brits deserve them.

Lmao I doubt that even banana republics would sell such parts of their culture

museams are free, fuck paying them, we got them legally from ottoman bros.

As far as we're concerned though, we bought them, and that's that. The fact that the rulers who sold them to us were themselves debatably illegitimate doesn't matter. We bought them.
So you're right, it's a conversation that's not going to go anywhere.

They're beasts?

They'll never be returned because it'd open a whole Pandora's box as far as international law is concerned.

Nothing wrong with it, shit poor countries can't preserve ancient monuments and often destroy them, if it wasn't for the Brits noone would even care about all of those and they wouldn't have been unearthed.

>rule for 800+ years
>illegitimate

Greece counts as a white country for the sake of white guilt so never.

White countries only bend over for non white countries.

I did say debatably, I was trying to be polite.

Nevermind, it's like talking to a wall. Imagine half of the stones of Stonehenge missing and being some thousands kilometres away cuz we wuz some rich bois and we bought them legally from your conquerors, in a parallel universe of course.

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>Be kike and arrogant
>Claim that the UK takes care good of them
>They damaged them trying to clean them LMAO

A cheap and good way to get a souvenir. I'll take everything I can get my hands on with me when I go to Greece during my summer break. Some pieces of stones on heritage sites and something that looks fancy would be such nice souvenirs for my friends

...

Good luck trying to smuggle even a tiny coin LMAO

Malay lad really? You have had ancient statues defaced and ruined by Islamics. Statues, and humans beheaded.

Return Hagia Sophia to the Byzantine Greek Christians then.

yeah solid

>hey would just lose their popularity if they returned in the countries where they're originated from.

Fuckton of stuff just stays in storage unseen by anyone.

Priceless artifacts are safer in those museums than in corrupt shitholes

>MUH HISTORY
But isnt Brits conquering all those places and digging all that shit that was forgotten by natives part of history too?
inb4 racist

>Nevermind, it's like talking to a wall
He said, with no intention of changing his mind.

Some cultures and ideologies would have destroyed them.
People are so ungrateful a once powerful empire chose to preserve and learn.

>Talking about corruption
>Pretty much every western country is corrupted, less or more
Autism hits again my dears

They remain and history is recorded.
British history is being rewritten but not yours

if any other country had something like that of ours they would be all
>HAHAHA BITCH KEK BRITS CRY MORE ITS OURS
fuck you, we're keeping them

right, the worst offenders are egyptians, they had thousands of years to preserve all that shit and let it decayand now they pretend they care because they know they can bring tourists with it

The current Egyptians are not ancient Egyptians, Cleopatra was a Macedonian I think. Alexanders great granddaughter? Something like that

Not really. What's with people like you having this

>I act liek X so everyone is X.

It's autistic as hell.

He's not wrong though. Spoils of conquest and war is a thing. Could have been worse if it wasn't us.

The current egyptians have over 90% of genetic link to ancient egyptians. They are not wewuzzers, they are actual, legitimate descendants of ancient egypt, only with a tiny % of somali and arab admixture.

WE

Why do you hate the best culture that has ever existed Canadian?

>As far as we're concerned though, we bought them, and that's that

Evidently you did not, there is no credible receipt that allowed Elgin to remove and ship the artifacts.
He only bribed a local Mayor. That's why he made such a fuss to leave quickly, destroying many in the process.

provide citation

Oh the irony;
ekathimerini.com/12743/article/ekathimerini/news/how-a-tent-owned-by-louis-xv-and-napoleon-went-to-monastic-greece

Actually you treated them the worst way possible, there is no worse than you.

africaresource.com/rasta/sesostris-the-great-the-egyptian-hercules/who-are-these-modern-day-egyptians-by-moustafa-gadalla/
>The Moslem population of Egypt (about 90%) are Arab settlers from the Arab Peninsula (Saudi Arabia.) The Christian population (about 10%) are the true Egyptians, referred to as Copts, and the descendants of the ancient Egyptians.

They're safer in the hands of European s than in the hands of the countries they came from. They'd just be smashed like what ISIS did. If those artifacts were in Europe they would still be here.

The British Museum is free to enter ? Are you a retard ?

>It has been written and repeated, that the Ancient Egyptians accepted the domination of the Ptolemaic and Roman rules, that they had willingly changed their religious beliefs into Christianity, and a short time later, they willingly accepted Islam as a substitute for Christianity. Accordingly, many conflicting sides, who use Ancient Egypt to promote each’s own agenda, insist that the ancient religion and traditions have died. The truth is that they never died, and they continue to survive within the silent majority–the Baladi people of Egypt.

>They'd just be smashed like what ISIS did.
Lmao, ISIS smuggled a lot of artifacts for their gain. They aren't as stupid as you think. Soon we will be seeing those itens popping up in private collections elsewhere.

>rule for 800+ years
Where is your history books Ahmed ? Athens was conquered in the 18th century, that was a bit more than a 100 years rule, with Northern Mainland being the exception all other places has less than 200 years of Ottoman rule ue to the Venetians and Francs, the North which had the longest had 400.
And just for the record the first time Turks had a firm Europe was at 1381 in Gallipoli, so there is your history knowledge.

*have
*firm foot at

I say this as a liberal leftard...

Those countries cannot get their shit together enough to protect their own heritage.
Look at corrupt countries like Greece.
Look at Afghanistan demolishing the Buddhas
Look at Arab dindus looting the Iraqi museum and stealing/looting THEIR OWN culture
Look at Syria demolishing 5,000 year old ruins

Take it all, I say

Russians did this a lot with german prussian art

>Look at Afghanistan demolishing the Buddhas
Indeed.
Do you think Myanmar just decided one day they were fed up with Islam?

>there is no worse than you.
You know that isn't true but you can say it

>le "might makes right" lads

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Indeed. The only counter-argument is all the shit that was destroyed by bombing in WWII, but that was almost entirely warring countries and only counts are "not having their shit together enough" if you count Europe as one nation, which it sure as shit wasn't in WWII

>Look at Arab dindus looting the Iraqi museum

You caused Iraq to become unstable...

Stop making fake facts
you will get called out on it

You destroyed the Benin kingdom because of some bullshit then you looted their treasures, took it abroad, then used it to shit on the natives by developing rhetoric to deny the fact that africans mmade those items

On top of that the Benin Bronzes aren't even displayed at all, they just are stuck in storage.

>You caused Iraq to become unstable...
Can't argue.
The destabilisation of Libya was worst.
Europe is fucked now

I thought museums get loaned that shit and pay the owners or whatever a fee.
And then there is stuff that was actually bought from museums and belong to them

>Could have been worse if it wasn't us.
I doubt it. Brits like to say that but that doesn't change they're responsible for a lot of current problems in the world, eg. radical Islam or the destabilisation of the Middle East. Though your partner in crime, the USA, are mostly carrying out that shit

Benin was where existing African slavers became super prosperous when Northern Europeans discovered a resource there?
Slavery existed for millennia in Africa.
It was African Bantus who enslaved fellow Africans and sold them to the highest bidders.
Northern Europeans ended human trade.
Aren't you lucky you were a descendant of European colonial slaves and live in a first world country.. Not the ones Arabs took.. Their descendants don't exist because the men were gelded.

And Poles pretty much took (or rather were given) german soil with all kinds of shit.
Russia got good shit like Königsberg but at least they fought for it.

What the hell are you talking about? I never even mentioned slavery! The slave trade was stopped sometime before the Benin expedition you idiot.

2/3 of the Elgin Marbles are sunk in the sea since the ships plunged because of the overweight, during the process of removing them from the temple ten's of them were destroyed because Elgin due to his lack of a lifting crane simply let them be thrown down.
Elgin wanted to nail the Marbles on his tower walls.
In the British Museum people were allowed to rent the room where the Marbles where held for a party.
In the processes of cleaning the Marbles due to their "yellowish" colour you eroded them.
You are literary the Worst, only the French can surpass you in the fact that they deliberately destroyed what they couldn't carry so that other European Powers won't have an equal amount of artifacts as if this was a raiding contest.

All colonial slaves from Africa came from Benin

user many came from Central Africa and other parts of western Africa. We aren't even talking about slavery you hysterical woman. Stop changing the subject

All slaves came through Benin. The slavers abducted them from all over sure but that's where they were sold.
You mentioned Benin. It's synonymous with thee slave trade

otherwise it would probably still be untranslated in a hole in the ground
it is

The Atlantic slave trade was done by then. fucks sake you had NAVIES to prevent transit of slaves.

>You are literary the Worst,
>only the French can surpass you
make up your mind Konstantinos

How ancient were these antiquities then?

Arabs didn't genocide and replace the people that lived there before they assimilated them, Egypt had a huge rural population you don' just replace that shit.

In my opinion SACKED countries should shut the fuck up and pay a fee to enter our fucking museums to watch their own artworks
VAE VICTIS

And why does a Canadian care?

France did that not the us

The French explicitly called for it. You guys legit did do nothing.

Why does it matter to you. Based off your posts you'll make bs about it regardless.

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Take it up with the Egyptian Arab author. I simply linked something I read after the outlandish claim from the Brazilian

>Better Brits than Turks.

Uhm, what's the difference?

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most of the places this stuff was """looted""" from would have seen it utterly destryed, sold off, or simply lost

better to have it protected than sitting in the private bathroom of some oligarch

Barely matters at all. Things are as they are, they could be worse. We might never have known they existed and be discussing anime instead

>We might never have known they existed and be discussing anime instead

You really think that?

or the latest burka fashions
>grill or no grill I just can't decide

Stop acting insufferable and embarrassing if you can manage it

Why are canadians being pansy faggots ITT when there was never anything to steal from their shithole?
Mud people in disguise if you ask me

Not a real Canuck Pierre

> We might never have known they existed

Here's the thing, British could have just simply bought a carving from local or use legal means to obtain it from the people in the area.

>most of the places this stuff was """looted""" from would have seen it utterly destryed, sold off, or simply lost

What do you mean "looted", Like many artifacts were gotten through conquest then sold off to pay off the cost of it or the soldiers looted them then sold them off.

Of course it is you retard, every respectable museum of the world has no entrance fee.

yea and we're lucky they ended up in premier institutions like the museums they currently inhabit rather than some dusty private storage room or smashed to bits

In the sum of things it really makes no difference whether the Ottoman government was legitimate or not, it would even be better for your case if they were. The Greek government didn't even exist at the time he stole the bloody rocks and it would be a legal nightmare to say otherwise.

Was watching this doc on hidden art. My god the amount of old masters stored away in vaults because there's nowhere to display them.It didn't look dusty though tbf

Should've been in their home countries already. It is very funny to observe the mental gymnastics of those who don't agree with the returning of stolen goods.
>B-But they are better off with m-me
Even if that was true, it isn't speacially for Greece, in good heart, what should be done is technical partnership alongside the returning of the itens.
The Elgin Marbles case is a shame, part of it even sunk to the bottom of the sea! I remember other absurd cases too, like the some brit stealing Khmer engravings, but that one was arrested.
And by all means, returning those itens doesn't mean art from other places will simply vanish from brit or french museums! Those institutions borrow and lend artefacts all the time.

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