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Thankfully we came, pushed Hans's shit in, and put a stop to this insanity.

Yeah and what do you have to show for it? A bloated military that even your massive economy can’t support? You may have achieved world peace later on, but you created the groundwork for your own destruction. You lost, just like everyone in WWI.

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Same for him?

>41 million (deaths)
There's your problem

I think he’s not 100% serious
Why are Euros so easily baited

>be german
>be 50 km from Paris
>Hindenburg redeploys most soldiers to the "eastern front"
>Communists coup Bavaria
>Agrees on demands of surrender from the allies, instigate the Versailles treaty
lol!

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>Same for him?
Yes? We were very irrelevant and neutral.
Sadly the based Madsen LMG wasn't produced in the millions.

Doesn’t matter if he’s serious or not, I get to bump my thread and create more discussion.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundred_Days_Offensive

The last time our military spending cracked 10% of total GDP was in 1956 and the last time it exceeded 5% was in 1989.

41 million died in WWI. What are you talking about?

and people are chanting white pride and advocating EU nowadays
how time has changed.

If you experience something like this why on earth would retards like Hitler think it’s time for round 2?

>deploys east despite Russia pulled out?

French: suffered really hard but at least managed to defend your homeland and claim back Alsace, come out as a victor: time for peace

Germany: suffered really hard BUT also lost and got humiliated by a treaty that paradoxally still lets them the chance to retaliate (thanks anglos :) ). Also persuaded you didn't loose the war but got betrayed : time to claim back our honor

How is that hard to understand exactly ?

>The memory of the 1864 Schleswig War still held strong in Denmark, but entering the war on either side would have been suicidal, so there was no choice but neutrality at a price--Germany forced the Danes to mine the Sound to keep British warships from entering the Baltic Sea, and Denmark was forced to send all of her exports south. Despite Copenhagen's non-participation in the war, a portion of Schleswig was returned from Germany in 1919.

pretty sure it was just short of 20 million
it's 40 million if you count casualties including wounded i guess, im surprised its so high accually when there was so much killing power

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wh*Tes are truly subhumans

Hitler didn’t start WWII. He attacked Poland (the reasons for which are not as simple as just lebensraum), and then the Allies turned it into a world war.

Also, once it became a world war, you don’t just ”back out of it”. Countries have their own interests and will fight until the end, even though they will immediately suffer greatly.

It was clear that Germany would lose since late 1942, but if you imagine yourself in Hitlers shoes - what else could you do than fight until the very bitter end? Hitler and his minions were going to be executed regardless, and at that point it’s just about punishing your enemy until it’s all over.

Just because "Russia pulled out" doesn't mean there was peace in the east. There was full on civil war in the former Russian empire. If Germany wanted to profit from the conquered territories we had to deploy troops to secure them.
seems you're overestimating the American contribution to that war
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_in_World_War_I#Impact_of_US_forces_on_the_war

>200,000 Aussies and kiwis sent to die on some beach in front of Turkish machine gun emplacements
Good jerb.

No, they didnt you dumb fuck.

it turns out brits are terrible at fighting other empires
who'd have thought

The US also underwrote the whole Entente war effort. Huge sums of money were loaned to Britain and France by American banks.

Hitler DID start world war, you dumb fuck. And he only invaded Poland because of lebensraum. Also, nice job allying with perfidious krautniggers, who saw you nothing as sub-human cannon fodder and burned half your country down during withdrawal in 1944. XD

Yes he did, France and Britain had made it very clear they wouldn't tolerate an attack on Poland.
>what else could you do than fight until the very bitter end?
fighting on, despite the obvious fact that you will lose, causing more deaths and suffering in the last years of the war than during the years when it seemed somewhat winnable, dooming your country and nation to utter collapse is a sign of psychopathy, the fact that our population didn't form successful resistance is ashaming.
yeah this is true

Oops. 41 million casualties, not deaths. Not a moron, just a bit slow lmao

Just did the math, 11.5k deaths/day.

lol you're the autist from /his/ that can't write a post without insults right

>takes russian forest instead of Paris

What were the Italian options during WW1 besides dying like lemmings at the Izonzo

Germany was starving due to the British naval blockade, the Ukrainian grain was crucial for being able to continue the war.

My history teacher told us that Hitler was surprised and disapointed when the Brits and the French declared war on Germany, and that he thought they would just let him have his little colonial empire in the east

The Treaty of Versailles was awfully soft all things considered when one takes into account the peace settlement a victorious Germany would have imposed on the Entente (Brest-Litovsk gives us a pretty good idea of what would have happened though) and considering as well that some parties, especially Georges Clemenceau wanted to see Germany burn. Clemenceau even wanted to annex the left bank of the Rhine into France, but was talked out of it.

>eats ukrainian grain instead of French baguettes

No, he started a war, not a world war. Trust me, I’m definitely not defending many actions of the NS Regime, but that’s a fact.

We had to ally Germany because your shitty military alliance would rather side with a neo-slaver communist regime than with us. This happened to be a good choice since otherwise we’d be a poor post-Soviet nation now. We only lost some land, and that’s a hell of an achievement given that we are such a small nation. You on the other hand surrendered within a couple of months since the war started, and lost immesurable amounts of potential as a Soviet state.

Well the general thought was that the Germans would be civilized

Actually that's not true. The British naval blockade had little to do with that since Germany was mostly self-sufficient for food and the only things imported would have been stuff like coffee that didn't grow in Europe. Actually it had to do with the breakdown of the transportation network caused by practically all vehicles and draft animals being commandeered by the army so that farmers couldn't plow fields or get their crops to market.

they could've just focused on defense and wait out the eventual victory on the Western front or they could have sided with the Central powers from the beginning, in 1914 that might've been enough to defeat France.
I'm not sure if this is the case, from what I've heard and read about Hitler it seems that despite is insane policies he was actually a relatively sane strategist (given the circumstances). He must've been aware that the attack on Poland would mean war with the west.
of course Hitler started world war. By your logic you don't start a fight when you spit somebody in the face and then get hit
Don't know where you've got that from but that's simply not true
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turnip_Winter

all of europe belongs to france

Spain was poor, had only a weak army, and the loss of the overseas empire meant that there was no longer any need for an ocean-going navy. Most Spanish commerce and business was conducted with Western Europe and Spain had little contact with the Central Powers countries.

That's true and that's what I said earlier, it was harsh because it humiliated the Germans but soft in the sense that it let them the possibilty to retaliate, a combo that lead to them stomping us out of revenge some years later.

Do Americans really believe this
American soldiers came in with few equipment and had to be trained and equipped by French army
Still they were most useful in the year

>You on the other hand surrendered within a couple of months since the war started
Poland's geography is totally non-defensible. At least you could only be attacked from one direction.

The fuck are you on about? Poland did not allied with Soviet Russia in WW2. Polish goverment in excile never even legitimized Polish people's republic, established in 1945.

And contrary to what stormniggers think, ''neo-slaver communist regime'' was 100x times better than Krautniggers who sought to simply extinguish life between Oder and Ural. (Time would have come for Ugro-Fins too, no doubt. Germans never really saw them as pure aryans, and only allied with Fins to have them attack Soviets who were desperately trying to relieve Leningrad from starvation blockade)

And Russians would have fucking captured you with ease in 1945 after they just done curbstomping krauts, you dumb fuck. Stalin was simply pre occupied with Manchurian campain. Russians simply gave you a pass, you arrogant fuck.

And Yes, Shitler DID start the fucking war. He knew all well that Britain will declare war on him as soon as his bloothirsty troops enter Poland.

I’m so grateful another European Civil war will never happen again. We grew tired of this stuff
Only peace in Europe from now, forever

Harsh where it should have been soft and soft where it should have been harsh

>American soldiers came in with few equipment and had to be trained and equipped by French army

Not _really_ since they gave the American troops those godawful Chauchat submachine guns which were barely even usable. In fact the standard US service rifle at the time was the excellent M1903 Springfield, but they didn't want to bring them over to France for fear that the Germans would capture the things and make copies of them.

Haha do it again Europe!

No, the krauts were beaten by the western front in WW1. Not eastern. They NEVER fucking turned away from Paris during 100 day offensive, you dumb ass.

>I’m so grateful another European Civil war will never happen again. We grew tired of this stuff
>Only peace in Europe from now, forever

Wait, how many battles of the Isonzo were there again? Those were every bit as braindead as the British and French assaults on the German lines.

M1903 Springfield WAS a copy of German mauser, you brainlet.

12 battles, around 1.2 million casualties

Italy at its peak

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>European civil war

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>was 100x times better than Krautniggers who sought to simply extinguish life between Oder and Ural. (Time would have come for Ugro-Fins too, no doubt. Germans never really saw them as pure aryans, and only allied with Fins to have them attack Soviets who were desperately trying to relieve Leningrad from starvation blockade)
The planned Greater German Reich would have encompassed all of Poland, the Baltic States, and the western USSR. Everything in the way would have been genocided.

I don't think Finland was in the territory they planned to take though, so likely they would have been left go.

Only after Austria collapsed in the fall of 1918 did the Italians finally break through their lines. Good jerb.

But Jow Forums told me wypipol were peaceful!!!

Cadorna was called “the butcher” by his soldiers for a reason

You weren't in WWI to be sure, still that era was bowls of fun and good times in Mexico.

they are as savages as Mexicans

Does make you consider though that the Baltic states gleefully allied with Germany when they would have probably been ethnically cleansed after the war.

yeah we were free of wh*Te subhumans
You are calling me wh*Te mapouche boi?

>the Baltic states gleefully allied with Germany
they didn't. There were only some Balts that fought with the Wehrmacht because the Soviets were considered the greater evil in 1941. And there were no indpendent Baltic states anyways since they had been incorporated into the USSR in 1940 (with Hitlers consent!)

>Germany allegedly sends Mexico a telegram that they can have back the clay they lost in 1848 if they ally with them
But some conspiracy theorists believe it was a forgery by the British Foreign Office to goad the US into entering the war on the side of the Entente. After all, given the state that Mexico was in in 1917, one couldn't imagine that Berlin would make such an offer seriously.

>one couldn't imagine that Berlin would make such an offer seriously.
you have a lot to learn about German diplomatic ingenuity under Willy II

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>among Paul von Hindenberg's recommendations included outlawing contraceptives in Germany to boost the birthrate and ensure that they would have sufficient manpower for the next war

I don't think we needed any goading. US sympathies were quite overwhelmingly on the side of the Entente since the early months of the war and we were loaning them tons of money and selling raw materials. Germany was not popular or well-liked by most Americans because they were perceived as authoritarian, goose-stepping martinets and also German manufactured wares were seen as a threat to American industry.

There were exceptions, for example the Irish-American community loathed Britain and was strongly pro-German, and the large German-American community in the Midwest, many of whom spoke little English and ran their communities in German and even printed German language newspapers. However, both groups ended up causing surprisingly little trouble once the US entered the war despite outbursts of anti-German sentiment which took on such excesses as banning the works of German composers and the state of South Dakota forbidding the use of German over the phone lines.

The dude on the right looks like an anti semite

Stalin had a personal vendetta against Poland because he was present for the defeat outside Warsaw in 1920 and in fact had come close to being captured. He spent a good 19 years itching to get his revenge.

I've watched Apocalypse, Verdun a few days ago, I highly recommend it

The nearest precursor to it was the Overland Campaign and the Siege of Petersburg in the Civil War, when months of nonstop fighting caused many men and officers to suffer from mental and physical breakdowns. But even there, it could never touch the unmitigated horror of WWI trench fighting with only single shot rifles, plus fighting stopped with nightfall. 20th century technology meant that fighting could go on all hours of the day and night. Shelling in battles like Verdun just went on and on and on for weeks morning, noon, and night.

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I feel bad for the millions that died under those conditions. I hope that somehow the world doesn't live to see another world war like that.

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>During a visit to Paris in 1924, American writer Gertrude Stein was riding around the city where her car experienced a mechanical breakdown. The driver found a repair garage to take it to and Stein watched as the young man working as the attendant shuffled around aimlessly as if in a trance. The owner of the garage told her "Don't worry about him. Everyone who served in the war is like that. Truly they are a lost generation."

>From this experience, Stein coined the phrase "The Lost Generation" to refer to the generation of men who had fought the Great War.

The early part of WWI (well, 1914 mostly) was more like 19th century warfare with horse cavalry, brightly colored uniforms, cloth hats, and very limited use of aircraft. Late war (1917-18) was more like WWII with steel helmets, tanks, and extensive use of aircraft for reconnaissance, dogfighting, and aerial bombing.

That whole series is good

Didn't hitler get blinded temporarily and sent to the hospital because of some gas? He didn't experience much of the war and when he got out of the hospital he was like WTF WHY WE SURRENDER and that's why he went for round 2.

I read the recollections of a French soldier which included the following commentary: "We used the dead bodies as stepping stones so we wouldn't step in pools of water and get trench foot. You had to turn them over and lay them face down because their stomachs would cave in if you stepped on them."

He did and he forever hated poison gas for it. Although Germany built up a considerable stock of gas during WWII, it was never put to use--Hitler refused to authorize its use due to his own experience with having been gassed.

I still don't get the logic of how leaders in ww1 and ww2 were so morally against using gas but blowing peoples limbs off or putting holes in them with bullets was totally fine.

The first use of gas was in Poland in early 1915 when the German army tried using tear gas on the Russians, but winter temperatures just caused the gas to freeze solid. A few months later, they deployed chlorine gas on the Western front, but didn't consider that the prevailing winds would blow the gas back onto their own lines. The first Entente troops to be gassed was a battalion of Algerians serving in the French army who got hit with chlorine.

It didn't take the British and French long to figure out what was going on and start manufacturing their own gas. Soon much nastier phosgene and mustard gas came into use. Although phosgene was by and far the deadliest type of gas used in WWI, mustard gas became the most notorious due to its effects--horrible and painful blistering of the mouth, nose, eyes, throat, and respiratory tract (phosgene, although more lethal, left fewer visible effects on the victim and did not gain the same notoriety)

Most likely it was considered a cheap, dishonorable tactic. Kind of like how in the Civil War, any soldier caught with glass bullets on his person was liable to hanged on the spot (these things would fill a wound with glass fragments which were not only horrendously painful but very difficult to remove).

>The earliest military uses of chemicals during World War I were tear-inducing irritants rather than fatal or disabling poisons. During World War I, the French army was the first to employ gas, using 26 mm grenades filled with tear gas (ethyl bromoacetate) in August 1914.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_weapons_in_World_War_I?wprov=sfla1

But throwing bombs down on people from planes was totally fine and definitely not a cheap, dishonorable tactic right.

You're mixing up WWI and WWII. In WWII Germany was indeed way more prepared to be self-sufficient, it also had a better supply at the start of the war and submarines were killing the brit at first really badly.
I think that Spain would really join Third Reich in a war if it wasn't for the Civil War.
>Poland's geography is totally non-defensible
what a bullshit, they had rivers and depth to defend themselves; they were just not ready for the war and would lose regardless of what Allies would do because they were done for by 5th day of war and Germans were redeploying army to the West.
They were neutral and Lithuania had even to cede Memel to Germany.
They were attacked by USSR first. Well, not even attacked, but rather anschluss-rekt like Czechoslovakia and Austria.
Poland, stop ashaming yourself. You were rekt even by Ukrainian Insurgency Army and failed pathetically in uprising in Warsaw. You lost war in a few days and fucked up everything - you needed to survive for, like, 1 month. But nope, you were fully rekt in 5 days and fully done for within 2 weeks, so quickly that even Soviets weren't ready for that.
Only Italy had a worse performance in WWII.

Well that was probably the reason for the Blitzkrieg.
Even so WW2 cost more lifes I would rather fight in that one because at least you were not sitting in an hole full off piss and blood, waiting for the next arty shell or gas attack to kill you.

It kind of was though. Bomber pilots were widely detested and if they had to bail out over enemy territory, there was a high chance that the locals would lynch them before the authorities found them to take them prisoner.

>Kind of like how in the Civil War, any soldier caught with glass bullets on his person was liable to hanged on the spot
Another sometimes trick was carving an X in the tip of Minie balls which caused them to expand from the powder gas. Getting taken prisoner when carrying those usually also meant that you'd never live to see a prison camp.

In Vietnam, when John McCain was shot down in Hanoi, the locals set upon and beat the shit out of him before the NVA came to take him prisoner.