WE DID IT REDDIT!

Listen, immigration is like drinking alcohol. If you drink the right kind of alcohol and not too much of it, you're gonna have the party of your life. Drink too much and the wrong kind and it's gonna be a disaster.

> let's do another world war then ? This is a shit argument

Why do you think we're at war all the time?

>Anyways if Mexicans were that great half your country wouldn't be pissed enough to build a wall

This is typical though. Before the irish and italians were hated. hell, we even lynched a few italians back in the day.

There isn’t gonna be a wall bro

*upvotes*

hello cletus
cringe

*gives reddit gold*
elegantly said fine sir

reported to the magapedes

migration here should have stopped in the 80's

cringe

>Anyways if Mexicans were that great half your country wouldn't be pissed enough to build a wall

If Mexican migration was that bad then the US economy would be declining instead of being at an All Time High.

id argue with you, but in the end i dont care if muttistan goes down the shitter

>HURRRRR AMERIGA GOTTA STAY HUWIHTE
Kill yourself.

"Goes down the shitter"

It's you going down the shitter.

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>I think it's only beneficial in New world countries, desu. Without mass migration we wouldn't be where we are now
It's only beneficial when you either need unskilled labor for factories (we don't) or you are getting only skilled labor in fields you need (we aren't). We have people competing to do jobs teenagers and high school dropouts would do but because the pay is now so low they won't.

Irish and Italians were more similar to the core population, multiculturalism was not encouraged at the time, English was mandatory, the welfare state did not exist, birthright citizenship was not granted, and after the influx occurred the borders were shut for 40 years to allow time for assimilation to take place. There's not a strong analogy between earlier waves of immigration and what's happening today.

ding ding ding.

it can be damaging if you are young and dont own property or have a job

>Why do you think we're at war all the time?
Thanks for proving American leftists are just as warmongering and insane as the rightists

>This is typical though. Before the irish and italians were hated. hell, we even lynched a few italians back in the day.
We lynched Italians here as well and that is probably why everything ended up being fine. If Italians were treated like the west treats immigrants today they wouldn't be anywhere near that integrated.

Well then why did Trump's election not ruin the USA ?
Anyways economy isn't all that matters. France just elected a president who thinks it is, and yet it isn't getting any less shit for the people who have to live here.

reading comprehension

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Whiter than José and Maria

As someone whose parents migrated from a shit hole I can confirm that most migrants are fucking morons. What I don't get is the part that they come to a successful country like Germany and refuse to get rid of their shitty original cultural traits and adapt some of their host's. After all there's a reason their original home countries are shit holes and for the most part the reason it that their culture us backwards. Instead, they're proud of being backwards and actually promote being backwards to their children. Luckily my parents were smarter than that but the same can't be said for most migrants.

>English was mandatory
No, it wasn't. Before the world wars, German was the most spoken language, there were german schools everywhere.

>Irish and Italians were more similar to the core population

Yeah, tell that to the Nativist parties that hated them with a passion.

>birthright citizenship was not granted

It was easier than today. You just had to show up at Ellis island and be let in, now you have to wait 10 years.

> after the influx occurred the borders were shut for 40 years to allow time for assimilation to take place.

Lol what? Where are you getting this? Look at the damn statistics.

>There's not a strong analogy between earlier waves of immigration and what's happening today.

Most Mexicans do assimilate, actually. It's only near the border region where a lot retain their culture. After the second and third generation, many can't even speak spanish. Why do you think real Mexican posters make fun of CHIs?

absolutely hebraic world view, as expected

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>Irish and Italians were more similar to the core population
Just say you mean "DE'RE HUWHITE RACE THERFUR SUPERIOR XDD!", Cletus.
>multiculturalism was not encouraged at the time
Yet it occured on levels even moreso than today.
>English was mandatory
I guess that's why so many more communities back then spoke their own languages (ie Germans, Italians, Slavs, etc)
>the welfare state did not exist
Not something to pride yourself on, Cletus.
>birthright citizenship was not granted
Yes it was you absolute retard.
>and after the influx occurred the borders were shut for 40 years to allow time for assimilation to take place
>implying there was no immigration from the turn of the century to the end of WW2
Are you retarded?

>German was the most spoken language, there were german schools everywhere.

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"Jose and maria" isn't an ethnic group. You people ignore all the Asian/Black/White Hispanics because you only see the 'brown' as different.

Economist is a decent read.

because it is different

>american leftists
>implying

>Thanks for proving American leftists are just as warmongering and insane as the rightists

Like, when has this ever been a question? it's fucking known. They just lie about it after they voted for war in iraq or bombing Libya.

>We lynched Italians here as well and that is probably why everything ended up being fine. If Italians were treated like the west treats immigrants today they wouldn't be anywhere near that integrated.

Different scenarios. after generations most Italians assimilated.

>MUH RAYSHUL PURRITY

Are you seriously this retarded you didn't know German was the second most spoken language in America before the world wars?

pretty dumb poll, every country needs migration because there is no chance you can fill every skill gap purely with those born in the country
at the same time importing more people than your infrastructure can handle is obviously a giant pain in the arse and just lowers everyones quality of life who isnt a rich fuck

Thank god. Learn from our mistakes.

> German was the most spoken language

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>Before the world wars, German was the most spoken language

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real polls
>organisations funded to push an agenda
twitter polls
>completely unbiased truth

>Like, when has this ever been a question? it's fucking known. They just lie about it after they voted for war in iraq or bombing Libya.
So you are both republican and in favor of immigration then ?

>Different scenarios. after generations most Italians assimilated.
Our Italians assimilated too. There is no "Italian community" of any kind anymore, unlike other communities no matter the amount of generations.

Most spoken immigrant language, context.

Countries like USA and Australia are the biggest brain drainers, selfishly stripping the best human resources from struggling countries. Then they turn around and say "these migrants are bad for us and not true Americans/Australians!" It's like they're trying to be peak-evil

All white people are invaders

>So you are both republican and in favor of immigration then ?

I'm a centrist in favor of limited immigration, depending on the economy.

This, we are a proud mutt country, diversity is what makes the USA strong.

German was not the most common language at any point. That's a silly thing to say. Why say that?

And sure, the Irish and Italians received disdain. But that has nothing to do with whether or not they were more similar to the core population than modern immigrants, which they obviously were. Do you think that nativists of the time would have preferred that Hispanics come instead? Obviously we both know they would have no such preference.

It seems you don't know what birthright citizenship means.

Saying the borders were "shut" was hyperbole. What I'm referring to is the drastic restrictions on immigration that were put in place in the 1920s and continued until the 1960s.

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>If Italians were treated like the west treats immigrants today they wouldn't be anywhere near that integrated.

And how many West African immigrants are being lynched by native-born Frenchmen, user?

It's hilariously absurd of you to pretend that your country is doing less to assimilate immigrants compared to a period in your history where you were lynching them.

if the spics we get here are the brain drain from latin america i can only imagine how fucking retarded the rest of lat am really is

OH NO NO NO NO

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>And how many West African immigrants are being lynched by native-born Frenchmen, user?
None, why ?

>It's hilariously absurd of you to pretend that your country is doing less to assimilate immigrants compared to a period in your history where you were lynching them.
What ? Obviously lynching is more of an incentive to assimilate, not less

Holy shit, its me or this board is full of "new europeans" what a cringe, now i can see why europe is in this situation.

>And sure, the Irish and Italians received disdain

But that's the problem in a nutshell. Immigration to the US (as an example) has been steadily widening with each cycle.

>Irish Catholics
>Southern/Eastern Europeans
>Cold War flotsam and jetsam

Even now US "conservatives" are making arguments similar to what you're making. "There's no need to worry about legal immigrants, they're only coming over here because they love America, and American ideals and freedoms, so much!"

>German was not the most common language at any point. That's a silly thing to say. Why say that?

"second most spoken language"

Can't you read? There was a backlash during ww1 and ww2, and many states adopted laws limited what language you can be taught at schools.

And sure, the Irish and Italians received disdain.

They were treated much worse than immigrants are today, that's just just disdain, it's out right hatred.

>But that has nothing to do with whether or not they were more similar to the core population than modern immigrants, which they obviously were

How is an italian more similar to the core ANGLO/WASP population of the US, compared to say, Cubans?

>. Do you think that nativists of the time would have preferred that Hispanics come instead?

Well, just look at their views towards Puerto Ricans.

>It seems you don't know what birthright citizenship means.

Did I bring it up? I said it was easier for immigrants to get citizen back then, than today.

>What I'm referring to is the drastic restrictions on immigration that were put in place in the 1920s and continued until the 1960s.

I hope you realize Latin Americans were exempt from these restrictions. The restrictions were against asians/eastern europeans (who would have been 'closer to the core' of americans according to you cuz hurr europeans.)

Latin Americans weren't restricted till AFTER the 1960s immigration laws.

>if you're not racist you're not European

>Jow Forums thinks rigging twitter polls will change anything
Grim

Excuse my shitty grammar, I posted too quickly.

Have you ever been in paris? The niggers literally attack you if you don't buy their shit

Stop pushing the "all Japanese are the same" bullshit. Just because Asians may all look the same to you, Japan actually has a pretty diverse mix of ethnic groups constituting the population.
Japan also isn't an old world country.

>le huwiiite genocide meme

Literal fiction, there's more, so called. White people now than ever before you dumb shitposter, the whites haven't been replaced or le genocided they're more than ever before but also have to coexist with some other people that have not exactly the same shade of skin as them, what's the problem.

It's a pretty simple thing to grasp that ease of assimilation is related to similarity between groups. The words even share the same root. Are you really gonna pretend that Japan could assimilate Nigerians as easily as it could Koreans? Come on now.

You're genetic scum.

>if you don't eat the black/arab
cock you are racist
California?

I hope you understand there were no limits on Mexican immigration before 1960s.

It's funny you posted Louis CK, since his family is Mexican.

who are you quoting, my white catholic friend?

>WE GOTTA PROTECK DUH HUWHITE RACE FROM RACEMIXUN AND DUHGENERACY PUSHED BY DAH JOOS!!!
Kill yourself.

I think 30% of board content here is now just retards talking about things Jow Forums do

and, what the fuck does that change ?
we also have "a pretty diverse mix of ethnic groups" here, that doesn't mean i want to live with niggers

How mad are you, right now?

>have to coexist with some other people that have not exactly the same shade of skin as them, what's the problem.
they are criminal, poor, retarded, they kill people, they leech welfare and also they smell terrible, that's the problem

Typical Jow Forumsqueer obsessed with non-white dick

Hello, Cletus. Are you still assblasted that "based" Trump didn't bring about an "epic" race war?
ah yes, "they are scary and smell bad", a stunning argument from the frenchman

>smell terrible
>frenchposter

:thinking:

das rite sweetie
behold, the quintessential american jaja

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>Are you still assblasted that "based" Trump didn't bring about an "epic" race war?

Yes, I am assblasted that a president in a country I have never visited and have little connection to beyond distant relatives didn't start a race war that he at no point during his campaign explicitly or implicitly advocated.

You literally said that i'm racist because i disagree with the actual state of europe, you do even know what is the meaning of that word? Mohamed/umbala and their friends are not like mexican people.

Nice cherry picking. This is the Mexican-American governor of Nevada. See, I can cherry-pick too!

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whatever, france is on its way to being a 3rd world country and anyone can see it, at least in a few years i can be like "see, i told you so" and maybe you'll stop being morons for a second

>france aint white i tell ya there are mudslim rape gangs all over geneva!!
Hello Cletus

Hey, I never I'd like to see france filled with third worlders, my post was
I want to see france ...french ofc. You guys have cute bois.

>See, I can cherry-pick too!
Yeah, I bet you're good at picking fruits.

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You can't even read your own post. And you're getting so mad for no reason. Calm down. You literally wrote

>Before the world wars, German was the most spoken language

Which is not true at all.

One of my main points is that previous groups of immigrants were treated more harshly and given fewer allowances. That speeds the assimilation process. So we agree about that. Asking about Cubans is really disingenous on your part and you know it, Cubans are a tiny fraction of US Hispanics. And you leave out the Irish entirely when you make that comparison. Silly.

Yes, Latin American countries were not subject to the quota system. But if Latin Americans had actually been coming in any significant number, they would have seen restrictions imposed on them too. The acts were tailored to address what was actually happening (Eastern and Southern Euro immigration). Latin American immigration was not happening.

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Oh good one, coming from Canada whose largest export is Maple syrup.

>using a laughing reaction image for your own post
*SNAP*

I don't care about the "white" race in the US. It's the result of a century and a half of mass migration and population churn (driven by socioeconomic turmoil) preventing the creation of organic local/regional identities.

>this thread is STILL up
What the fuck are the mods paid for?

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There's context, obviously I meant out of the immigrant groups. Should have been clearer on that, though.

>But if Latin Americans had actually been coming in any significant number, they would have seen restrictions imposed on them too

Actually they were, at least from Mexico, which is what Operation wetback fixed, which ironically was started by the Mexican government asking the US to stop the entry of Mexicans into their country, since they were losing a lot of labor. The current immigration crisis is over, but if the Mexican government wasn't so incompetent, they could have stopped it from the beginning.

Either way, that still didn't place quotas on Mexican immigration till the 60s. I kinda forgot what my point was or what we were arguing now. I agree that there should be more emphasis on assimilation instead of Multiculturalism, though.

We were arguing about how previous waves of immigration to America were very different compared to modern immigration patterns. The source of immigrants is now more remote, assimilation is not enforced as rigorously as in the past, illegal immigration is now tolerated, multilingual ballots are now provided, welfare is accessible, and there is not likely to be any pause placed on immigration as there was in the 20s.

For all these reasons, the situations are quite different, and people who suggest that the results will not be different are mistaken.

The relative "pause" in immigration happens because of backlash, which is what we're in atm, though. With trump in the white house, and mexican immigration reversing.

Largest sources of immigration happening now comes from visas, like the h1b. Letting in millons of indians and chinese. Doubt trump will do anything about that, though. I'm all for limited immigration. I was just arguing, at least regarding latin American immigration, that they weren't so different from say italians or other southern European immigrants we got. Statistically, hispanics mix with non-hispanics the most, so it's not like they're this giant monolithic group of brown tiny people.

I don't think a 40 year pause on immigration is likely to occur. Neither do you. That was possible in the past because of a widely-held belief that America was and should remain a unified nation. Far fewer people feel that way today.

I would agree that Hispanics are the best candidates for assimilation out of all modern immigrant groups. But if you are perpetually receiving new immigrants, and what used to be the core population only continues to diminish over time, assimilation will not occur. You need something to actually assimilate into.

based

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