Flippening this year

let's go boys

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Fuck off pajeet.

haven't u heard?
The pajeets own crypto now..

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Bitcoin Private is legit, but Bean Cash is the true Bitcoin Cash

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I've been lurking here the past couple days during this brief BCH pump, and as a disinterested observer mostly with low market cap shitcoins but still not a complete brainlet, I'm starting to get confused.
I was led to believe continuously that BCH was utter shit, and BTC was simply indisputably better, I was led to believe that this was the case with so much certainty that there was no point even arguing it anymore and anyone who even ventured the alternative hypothesis must be a troll or a paid shill.
I have with zero exaggeration over this time seen every single actual argument involving someone on the BTC side vs someone on the BCH side result in the BTC side getting embarrassingly slaughtered, to the point they have no response at all and just resort to emotional rage and throwing out insults and threats. The BCH side although obnoxious, smug and arrogant but hey this is fucking Jow Forums, seems way more intelligent and well informed than the BTC side, who unironically seem like they may as well be third world paid shills with a poor grasp of English.
Was all of this really the result of a propaganda campaign? Is the reality of it exactly opposite from what a casual disinterested observer might otherwise believe? What is actually going on here?

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Wrong. Bitcoin Cash Private is the real BCH.

Bitcoin CA$H

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>Is the reality of it exactly opposite from what a casual disinterested observer might otherwise believe

Yes, user. BTC is "better" than BCH because it has more support currently and higher market cap. That is literally it. If the fork resulted in BCH being called BTC, and BTC becoming "BTC Legacy" or something, then it would have dropped out of the top 100 by now.

BCH is objectively superior in every other way. Which will succeed? Maybe both, who knows.

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Vast majority of bch holders are bitcoin holders who got the fork money. Nobody has actually bought bch with cash. So the flippening is kinda meme when btc core holders are the ones who profit most

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>have forked coins
>also bought more
>youcan'texplainthat.jpg

Omg amazing lol

>Muh Segwitcoin

BCH at least is working towards something useful for the masses, like email or facebook, while BTC became am elitists ''digital gold'', its a lot easy to like something that is useful to many people than some elitists very expensive toy.

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Someone redpill me on this please;

Some tiny pieces of shit exchanges such as nanex and orge carry Bitcoin Private but Bitcoin Cash isn't listed. I tried to buy some shitcoins but as BCH wasn't listed I couldn't move money to them.

Why the fuck do they do this? Do they really expect me to use BTC and wait hours or days for the transaction to go through? I realise nanex requires nano for most pairs but the coin is fucked half the time so I can't move it off Binance.

Even a larger shit exchanges like cryptopia and coinexchange deliberately misname Bitcoin Cash as bcash, it's fucking annoying as fuck.

When the fuck are these exchanges going to bend over and accept Bitcoin Cash as their lord and master and add fucking pairs? I want to use Coinex but they've got hardly any pairs.

There will only be one.

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These guys will make it.
Some interesting articles to read for people doubting BCH and not knowing what is going on between BCH and BTC:
>blog.plan99.net/the-resolution- ... abb30201f7
Person who was working on early BTC together with Satoshi, criticizing BTC problems that BCH is trying to fix. Really worth a read.
>news.bitcoin.com/gavin-andresen-drops-a-new-concept-on-github-for-bitcoin-cash/
Another person connected to Bitcoin's early days is showing interest in BCH by providing some github activity, worth a read too.
Basically this whole shitstorm is because CORE team (People resposible for new features on BTC chain and it's wallet) refused to fix issues mentioned in the first article. They could've increased the block size and then started to focus on more future-proof fix, but they didn't do it...why? they could've prevented the "BCash" fork but instead they forced it, to gain total control over development of BTC chain. BTC has been centralized ever since the fork happened. People wanted to start fighting against banks, while they ALMOST already won...
tl;dr BCH is the true vision of the orginal BTC before it forked due to SEGWIT, while the current BTC is hijacked by people wanting to CONTROL IT. Buying BCH is like buying BTC in early 2017.

OMG lol

>Bitcoin and Bcash both drop out of the top50 because of all the infighting and confusion caused by shills
>Flippening is claimed when Bcash is 54th with Bitcoin 55th for a brief period
>No one gives a fuck as usual

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>blog.plan99.net/the-resolution- ... abb30201f7

correct link plz

Sorry.
>blog.plan99.net/the-resolution-of-the-bitcoin-experiment-dabb30201f7

And so it was solidified.
Bitcoin is Peer to Peer Electronic Cash

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You might laugh at him for selling his coins in 2016, but he was in Bitcoin for something more than just money.

Bitcoin Cash is not an attack on Bitcoin. Bitcoin Cash IS Bitcoin, the natural evolution of Bitcoin. Segwit is a lethal mutation which will run its course.

Exactly as you are, people are wising up that there's nothing behind the bravado, and BCH is simply the better mouse trap. There's a reason BTC advocates will go to any length to avoid discussing the actual merits of their chosen attributes, and bluntly it's because there aren't any.
Ignorant tribalism only lasts so long. In the end, the truth always comes out.

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He thinks BCash is shit too.

The order came from blockstream to DDOS Jow Forums because BCH was getting too popular.

I'm on board BCH, all my crypto is in it. I have a question about this image though: Why is BTC worldwide payments "sometimes"?

Image is from:
bitcoin.com/info/what-is-bitcoin-cash

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Article explaining SEGWIT from good and bad side.
>medium.com/@exantebroker/on-cryptocurrency-scaling-the-good-and-the-bad-of-segwit-9e5234575041
Why some of the China miners didn't want segwit implementation.
medium.com/@ViaBTC/why-we-dont-support-segwit-91d44475cc18
Can you post it, or link to it? I would want to read it. I only read that one tweet from Nick Szabo calling "BCash" centralised sock puppetry or something.

Is btc really "permissionless"? Is it true that blockstream controls the github and won't allow people to develop on the network? I am genuinely asking and not trolling so id appreciate a real answer instead of shit flinging. thanks

he is salty he dismissed bitcoin cash

he was always an ass, I'm glad he is gone

If lightning doesn't get traction, core is dead, so anything you say about core is also a statement about lightning, given that it's been forced into the architecture of the entire system.
That said, lightning is a hub and spoke routed network, which is massively centralising all on its own and creates high pressure to have the vast majority of participants interacting only through these central hubs, but as if that wasn't enough, because channels must be funded, well funded hubs are even greater points of centralisation.
The banks will run the well funded hubs.
The same banks that dutifully cuck for the state and trip over themselves to proactively obey every last little edge regulation possible when it comes to fucking the vast majority of their customers, particularly the imposition of amlkyc.
Bank doesn't want you paying someone? Then you probably don't get to pay them, period.
Ergo, sometimes. Depends on if the banks and states let you, basically. Just like the present system.
This is not an accident and anyone suggesting otherwise is either an idiot or in on the scam.
You didn't really think they'd just give up without a fight did you? That is what all this core nonsense is really about.

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Because sometimes your transaction gets stuck in the mempool for weeks because you didn't pay a ludicrous fee to get into the next block.

In December fees were $50+ and transactions were stuck in the mempool for weeks before dropping out.

uh, did you read my question?

yeah i know. it's just strange to not say it's worldwide since you CAN use it worldwide even if it's super expensive for people in some places.

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Stay mad, corecuck :^)

youtube.com/watch?v=nAMRFDs9iOs

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(you)

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Yes it's true. Needed changes that were always in the original plan but compromise the business interests of blockstream were locked out (on chain throughput increase) while controversial changes required to advance those interests were forced through (segwit, rbf, sabotaged op_return).

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(you)

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ver has done so incredibly much for bitcoin, he's definitely someone you'd want on board for your crypto... and now he's on board BCH because it's the bitcoin he worked so hard for back in 2011

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C O P E

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Pretty much.
He OWNS 30k BTC, if he wanted he could retire anytime and yet he works on promoting BCH... He does make himself look like a fool a lot of times though. I don't know why he is doing that, BCH would be way higher if Roger acted a little better and not so butthurt all the time.

I doubt it. Ver has done a lot for BCH. He just gets attacked relentlessly by the other side.

its bc he doesn't have btcp and is fucking terrified.

He's done fairly well, it's only when he starts talking about his libertarian fantasies that he seems retarded. Also when he said that insider trading is OK, that was fucking stupid.

Roger Ver was a millionaire before he had even heard about Bitcoin.

He had already retired and was just having fun in Japan with various women when one day he heard about criminals selling drugs online with some kind of magic money that the government couldn't do anything about. Since then he became hooked on the idea of a currency that offers total economic freedom from the government.

I honestly, genuinely believe that the guy is not in this for the money. He wants to change the world, he is a true believer in crypto.

Anybody that want to learn more on who Roger Ver really is listen to this:

bloomberg.com/news/audio/2018-04-10/the-world-is-cracking-down-on-bitcoin-except-japan

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btw where did you hear about the 30k BTC sum? as far as I've heard he's always careful to not tell anyone how many bitcoins he own so where did you get that number from?

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>He OWNS 30k BTC

He owns close to 300k BTC, and probably half a million BCH

well deserved like Satoshi's coin desu

again, where did you get that number from? i've never heard him discuss how many bitcoins he have.

fuck off, roger. seriously.

>i've never heard him discuss how many bitcoins he have.

thats because he is not an idiot, and its the #1 rule of crypto

but its an open secret, he is the guy with most bitcoins in the world, and won private bets over this

>imagine letting Roger live THIS rent free in your mind

Those libertarian fantasies are the only value in any of this. Take them away and it's just another extremely inefficient money transfer mechanism subject to the same state controls and pressures as the rest of them.
But regard them as a non negotiable part and parcel of the product, as they clearly were intended to be right up until the hijacking age reassertion of state control, and you have the only realistic mechanism for peaceful overthrow of the current post Westphalian political order and the absolute death of the modern nation state.
For a great many of us, that's the only reason we're interested in this. Fuck lambos and thots, I want the state's metaphorical head on a pike.

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Yeah flappening of ltc more likely

yes, sorry to interrupt your extremely organic conversation/thread.
bye.

>so far gone he actually believes hes talking to Roger

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you guys hiring or what, i want to be a discord shill slut too daddy

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>he thinks that he can't possibly be wrong and everyone on Jow Forums in the bch gang is from discord

oh no no no no
HAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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>Flippening this year

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Yeah, I made a mistake
>cnbc.com/2017/12/05/winklevoss-twins-head-the-list-of-people-getting-very-rich-from-bitcoin.html
Also in that one infamous interview of his, he mentions in rage how rich he is
>youtube.com/watch?v=OJT2CbfHTpo
That guy was provoking Roger so hard...

This is unrelated, but can someone post that doom spider mastermind edit with vitalik head? it made me laugh so hard internally when I remembered it.

I hate this fucking faggot in the video, what minute does he say it?

it's the exact figure i was wondering about, this is like saying that its an "open secret" that bill gates is rich

i never watched that whole thing because that guy was being such a dick. he really deserved getting the finger and anyone thinking poorly of roger because of him getting angry (since he's human) are jerks. if anything all these emotions proves further that he is a true believer and not just in it for the money. he really believes bitcoin (in its original form) can change the world for the better.

do you have the timestamp for when he says how much he has? would save me the time to go through 45 minutes.

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well yeah
i mean, you're all here saying stuff like
>Ver has done a lot for BCH. He just gets attacked relentlessly by the other side.
what are we supposed to think, that you're communicating naturally processed thoughts directly from a real boy brain
idk buds, we're all dead in the end right
gl

god damn it i started watching this thing and it's just 6 minutes in and it's already bothersome

that Bitcoin Error Log guy says that "oh how great bitcoin is because it's open source and anyone can contribute to it, it doesn't have any leader" but he fails to realize that the fork from the project is exactly in that open source spirit. bitcoin has no leader, therefore any competing version has legitimacy as long as enough people are behind it.

if changes to bitcoin doesn't get included in the git then what do you do? you fork off in your own direction, it's the whole point of open source to be able to do that

i'd really appreciate that time stamp to where he says how much BTC he owns....

the audio is so bad, half the words get morphed or removed completely. mostly when ver speaks too, almost suspicious

bcashies are stupid

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bcash is trying to steal the bitcoin brand and it's hurting all of us

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I have a black friend so I'm not racist but chinks are destroying bitcoin

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Roger Ver doesn't respect women.

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Roger Ver is an actual homosexual.

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Ok I admit bcash is better but tricking people into thinking it's bitcoin is problematic

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EXCELLENT video explaining LN Network.
ABSOLUTE MUST WATCH for everyone.
>youtube.com/watch?v=UYHFrf5ci_g
(((They))) are already in and are actively trying to hijack the BTC. God damn it, I must say that even I got fooled.

You're not fooling anyone.

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b "i identify as bitcoin" cash.

the choice of sjws and those cuck'd by chinks worldwide. your hilariously ironic images just prove how much you fit into that demographic.

lulz

I hate bcash to and I don't mind paying $100 everytime to chinks so how are they cucking us? It's more similar to findom.

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Are you mentally challenged

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Abolutely right my rugged individualist.

The nature of crypto is to take away the need for a 3rd party to facilitate fair transations. In the past the 3rd party has been the roman gaurd watching over the market, or the swiss banker with his secure mountain vault, or the big-daddy government. No matter what so long as crypto is decentralized it will take significant chunks of power away from governments and banks

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kek

Nice just bought 100k BCH.

satoshi called it bitcoin ca$h. the cash was dropped when roger ver bought bitcoin.com. per paradise papers, doc craig wright holds bitcoincash.org and .com, as wells a bcash domains, fwiw

Substantially massive if entirely factual.

finished watching Roger didn't say how many BTC he has. So as I suspected and were lying.

Just in case someone reads this and are wondering. So forget that 30K/300K figure, there's no proof to it. Not that it matters.

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He's probably sold off most of his btc stack as he knows whats coming, he doesn't want to be left holding digital beanie babies

Wait.....really?

So lets say I find and fix a bug, or suggest a new opcode or something. Blockstream will just....block my pull request if it's going to fix an issue that somehow doesn't benefit them explicitly? Maybe I'm a brainlet......but ok, say I change something non-controvertial, like make a Wallet improvement - what sort of shit are we talking about?

And is this why the Lightning thing is such a shitshow? No good third party devs can contribute? I mean, isn't it basically just a secure tunnel between 2 nodes, and you use locks to prevent doublespending? I'm more of an Ethereum guy.....I just don't get what's so tough about what they're doing, since Ethereum stuff like Raiden is FAR more advanced (distributed computation is tougher than ledger entries ffs) yet there's way more progress on all fronts. I mean, if I fixed the Mist wallet or something, no way Moneyskelly or someone would just randomly block it out of hand.

as long as you submit something that they dont see as something that will damage their company they will probably let your code merge with theirs. so if you submit a bugfix it would get through.

if you try to add a feature that might damage lightning network in anyway they won't let it through.

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Roger KNEW about bitcoin when it was below 1$ and has been promoting it ever since then. That 300k is just a rumor, but think for a moment. Do you really think he sold his coins early and has been just watching it rise to new highs without holding anything? It's very possible that he owns even more than that. That would also explain some out of the place btc dumps during bch pumps.

How is that permissionless if one company controls the development

It's not.