"It is impossible to install malicious code into our product. Your coins are safe."

>living in a midwest fly over

Nigga please

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That USB doesn't have the inherent security features of the S.
Again, write down or memorize the backups. Everyone here can name 100 Pokemon, you're telling me you can't memorize 24 of the most important words in your life?

>implying tornados only hit Oklahoma

I’ve been hearing about gen 1 and 2 Pokémon for almost 20 years and they have pictures and brands behind them
A bunch of words in a row that mean nothing are a bad comparison

that would be nice

>implying my home will fly away in NYC

Not everyone lives in a trailer

>NYC
Have fun when another Sandy comes by but actually strong next time

>tornado comfy on the coast

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Basic principle stands. You can memorize your SSN, quotes from a movie, birthdays of all your family, but memorizing 24 words that can give you monetary freedom isn't worth your time?

>words that mean nothing

Poorfag

Don't live on the beach

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Aww it's baby's first troll. You have lots to learn, fucko.

>SSN has grouping and only 9 letters
>movies are entertaining
>implying I remember useless days

I was just about to order a ledger. What is this shit about getting backdoored? Is it literally not safe or what the fuck? Not going to buy some shit that got shit for fucks sake.

You realize the device doesn't really hold your funds and its only there for convenience, right?

>actually falling for this meme stick
They pay shills on reddit and Jow Forums to advertise to retards who don't know any better.
Never gonna make it.

Nothing is safe
Literally do whatever, it doesn’t matter

>not encrypting all your private keys with gpg and broadcasting the message to the blockchain (or just use memo.cash) so you can never lose it and nobody can ever decrypt it

Never going to make it.

>not tattooing your private key on the inside of your corneas
Stay poor

If a coding wizard has PHYSICAL ACCESS they could theoretically input harmful code. Still safer than keeping coins on exchanges or a computer hooked up the Internet where keyloggers or viruses can infiltrate. Buy the Ledger and then store it in a vault, you'll be fine.

There is a 100% chance you don't have the mental capacity to even give an overview of how the ledger works

>tattooing your corneas and being to blind afterwards to kill the tattoo artist
Enjoy poverty

>hes not pretending

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>If a coding wizard has PHYSICAL ACCESS
Like if the EYE ARE ESSU comes into your home while you are out and checks your hardware wallets.

Better than falling for le paper wallet. Again, fire and water can't hurt your funds in a Ledger since you will have memorized and safely stored the seed phrase.

>Gets hit in head
>Gets amnesia
>Has stroke

I agree, taking them out of circulation would be useful

Still safer than any other method of storage. You realize the exchanges you purchased these coins on have records of all transactions, and if you use the mining excuse they'll know anyway.

i uploaded my encrypted seed works to google drive. no one could hack my gmail, find the file, know what it's for, guess the encryption algo, guess my secret, just to steal the funds. and i dont need to remember a long ass list of words

Yes, uploading the most sensitive information you have directly into a malignant tech giant (who surely has no idea how blockchain and associated factors work) is definitely foolproof.

if google goes through all those steps just to personally hack me then I guess I wasn't meant to be rich. i imagine they have better things to do

>not getting your public & private keys ultravioletly-tattooed several times to combat fading in your bathing suit area
>not 24/7 wearing a snugly-fitting stainless steel cock ring with your public key engraved along the outer rim and your private key engraved along the inner rim

You can memorize and safely store a seed phrase without a ledger, though. I get the convenience of the ledger if you are a frequent trader. If you are just a hodler, explain why you should still purchase the ledger.

>not storing your nano in your ass so the god damn slopes can't take away your children's birth right while a P.O.W

retard
the story about the 15 year old coding wizard
is a dude forgot his pin and asked around for someone to help
the 15 year old kid found a way to see his pin with a software he created
BUT
the original owner HAD TO DOWNLOAD that software
and even then, the ledger gave a warning that this is downloading unverified software
he confirmed
and they were able to access his pin on the screen.
Also this story is about Trezor, I remember it because the dude said with each incorrect try of the pin, the cooldown time doubles.
funds are safe.

If its gpg encrypted, how could anyone break it without the private key and password?

>Thinking it was a real threat before it got patched
Would have to require said autist to come steal your ledger since he needs physical access to it to "backdoor" it.

This you fags are a joke
No one's coming after your 1k crypto
Btw you should be trading and making profits retards . Not holding

I don’t want to have to type those words in every time I want to move coins that’s tedious and opens you up to a keylogger attack. Is there something I’m missing?

If you go around downloading everything on the most bizarre sites without Malwarebytes then sure you probably do run a risk. Is there something I am missing?

But I’m never selling, what good is 5 years

Trading is a great way to get your sats siphoned from you, dink

Why can't you just encrypt your wallet and password with some strong and reliable encryption and store it wherever you'd like?
Are you all brainlets or am I the brainlet here?
I've encrypted with AES-256 and stored it five different places

How else can you lock in high prices faggot?

when you decrypt it you'll be vulnerable to keyloggers, unless you do all the transaction signing on an airgapped computer. At that point you have effectively created a ledger out of your entire computer. With a nano you don't need an airgapped computer because the private key never leaves the device.

AES-256 is easily hackable.

>AES-256
Is this stronger than gpg? Don't forget to put it into the blockchain so no matter what nobody can erase it.

unless you do all the transaction signing on an airgapped computer

Just keep your hot and cold wallets separate. As for long term storage, I don't really see a better way.

>What is a warranty

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That 15 year old is a cryptography savant. You put your arms down, pull in your chest and stop fronting like that's huge shit.

When that 15 year old's mind has had 15 more years to ruminate, he'll be one of the ones pushing the bleeding edge.

True... I see there's some risk then, but very small
Fuck off, no it's not broken yet. Will probably be in the future though

The safest thing to do is go into a desert, generate a wallet, and memorize the seed phrase. There really is no other way.

do crayons and glue taste good? why do retards eat them over other objects?

Elmer's glue actually tastes decent. Crayons taste like shit.

>not using a paper wallet hidden inside a hollowed-out book

Paper is good, but people can read it.

>gpg
>plaster everywhere
>only you can decrypt with your private key (easy to backup) and password

>Buy a ledger
>Engrave seed phrase on a piece of steel
>Memorize seed phrase
>Bury steel
This is all you have to do.

>torture him until he spits out the key

Thought about burying stuff before, idk about metal though because detectors. However with the method I laid out you don't have to hide your private key because even if its compromised you still need the password to decrypt it.

Cyanide, friendo.

>Don't give out the key

Okay, I'm going to lay this out clearly and then you can all shut up about it.
A ledger is a device for safely spending a paper wallet. It is not a coin storage solution.
BIP39 seed words paper wallet wallet file
trezor ledger offline airgapped computer
There are two separate objectives here. Keeping your keys safe in storage, and keeping them safe when you spend them. Ledger helps with the latter, it is up to you to secure them in storage. Exactly the same as with a paper wallet or just the raw contents of a wallet file. Pick your favorite method, physical or digital, paper or metal, plaintext or encrypted.
Personally, I have a ledger for trading funds and an airgapped computer with electrum for cold storage. 2 sets of 24 seed words are stamped into 3 stainless steel plates, 2×16 words each to make a 2 of 3 backup. The three plates are hidden in widely separated locations, in entirely different types of secure place.

You do know that 15 year old is smarter than you right?

ok so they torture and kill you and your family

well.... they didn't code against niggers.

That's pretty cool user, those jews will never find your 1200 linkies

Just dont tell anyone you have crypto and keep your cyanide pill ready, we all got a cyanide pill off the dark markets right?

i just keep my coins on binance since the funds are safe

I keep my ledger in my house and my written backup in my parents' house hundreds of miles away, so it's virtually impossible to ever lose it.

Binance save them just right. I don't know why you even complicate things so much.

My Nano just makes trading safer and a way more streamlined experience.

does a paper wallet sign the transactions for me?

>leaving them on an exchange
enjoy getting goxxed

My aunt bought me one for Christmas. She always got me the best gifts so I'm gonna get her a good suprise when I make it.

you can have a sinkhole basically anywhere

Like your dick?

>earthquake
>fissure

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>steel seed words rust away
>be poor

Dummy

Use gold instead.

>buy trezor
>vacuum seal trezor with sytrafoam (for impact resistance and buoyancy)
>jam entire package up your ass
funds are safe

>Not memorizing your 24 word seed

Jesus Christ, all of you are fucking brainlets.

>my seed is a sentence from a popular book
Uh oh

ALWAYS use a computer generated seed.

every hack involving hardware wallets involve having physical access to the device, including the one discovered by that teen sandnigger.

almost all of these hacks are just theoretical and i've yet to hear of anyone actually having their funds stolen using any of these methods. More importantly, both Trezor and Ledger are quick to patch any vulnerabilities, including the one you mentioned.

sorry that you can't afford a $100 device to keep your crypto safe so you choose to bash it. You probably have nothing worth protecting anyway.

BIP39 seeds have a checksum and are restricted to 2048 specific words. You can't just pick any 24 words.

>What are mnemonics?
>Non-mentats won't make it.

Jeez the fucking state of /newbiz/....

To brainwallet: Invent a little story or something where each word is a picture or scene. Make sure word 1 interacts with word 2 (like if the first word is bird and the second is building, imagine a bird sitting on a building). Make each picture as funny or gross as weird as possible. For bonus points, make each word into a sound and sing them or something. Basically, the human brain encodes memory using patterns of emotion and senses not binary, so you exploit that to memorize massive lists of information by encoding words or numbers into sensory and emotional images. Basically - use your meme skills faggot.

Then, repeat the 12 words (deliberately using the mnemonics) each day like a mantra, forever. After 6 weeks or so, you can cut it down gradually (memory decays roughly at log it seems) but make a reminder to repeat it again every month at the longest.

You now have a brainwallet. Use MEW or metamask etc and reconstruct your wallet when needed. Send coins and tokens etc. Nothing to steal, nothing to hack. Just don't smoke massive buds and forget it.

To really take it to the next level of autism, use the same technique to memorize crucial private keys, pub keys and addresses as well. Actually performing in-brain block validation is left as an exercise for the reader.

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This. Someones been paying attention to Uncle Antonopolous.

There's also a CIA memorization technique where you mentally walk around the inside perimeter of the house you grew up in (or another space you know by heart) and store words (or things that represent them) along the walls. I memorized my 24 word seed in one night using this.

I can remember 200 digits of pi but that memory palace shit is completely impossible for me. I'm also terrible at navigating places so that probably has something to do with it.

Yeah, method of loci or memory castle is the old school name. Same basic idea - attach linguistic, numeric or abstract information to sensory and emotional imagery and suddenly you can memorise like rainman. You can use it for a TON of useful skills. Learning card counting & blackjack was when I first heard of it years ago. Combine it with rapid mental math techniques and intimidate normies by being a walking supercomputer kek. The human brain isn't that bad, it's just that people use it wrong - a few easy to learn techniques and make using em a habit, life changing in the right hands.

I have a notebook in a safe deposit box

Yeah use what works for you. Obviously since you NEVER want to forget them just use your strongest technique. I find peg systems best too, especially if I can add sounds to pretty much "double the encoding" of whatever it is I'm learning, like an ad jingle that the words rhyme with.

I'm not even particularly smart in terms of raw IQ or anything (total brainlet at school), but once I learnt about this mentalism shit it was insanely handy. I just memorized EVERY algebraic identity, calculus theorem and a bunch of example problems - college math might as well have just let me cheat with an answer sheet next to me kek.

Actually I read the spec. But Andreas is a good educator.